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Posted: 7/6/2014 3:58:04 PM EDT
| I was thinking about going with a core15 tac III. I am really new to the ar realm so any advice would be appreciated. Good choice? Any other recommendations?? |
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Have you researched at all, or is the Core15 the first AR you have looked at and are just going with it?
Research, research, research, and when you think you have it figured out, research some more. Colt BCM (Bravo Company Manufacturing) LMT (Lewis Machine and Tool) Daniel Defense KAC (Knights Armament Corporation) These are some of the best, but start out at about $850-900 and go up from there. The Colt is a phenomenal AR and can be found right now for about $850-900 without even looking too hard. If you are very hard set on absolutely not spending more than $800 or so, check out Spike's Tactical Windham Weaponry Stag Smith and Wesson Going with the Core15 would be settling. Settling just causes endless regret in the end. Good luck and keep researching |
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Have you thought about building your own? Assembling a stripped lower is really simple and slapping on an upper of choice is even easier.
Psa has been blowing them out recently just ordered a premium upper to go on the last lower / lower build kit I purchased from them. I use the mantra of build it, shoot it, modify it. |
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Smith and Wesson M&P15 Sport. Slickguns has them for well under $600:
http://www.slickguns.com/product/smith-and-wesson-and-wesson-mp15-sport-556-16-6pos-stk-62423 Out of the box it's ready to shoot with a Pmag and a Magpul BUS. Good starter rifle or good enough for the rest of your life. |
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I dont see a target price. If your looking in the price range of the Core15 only, PSA Premium and CHF are much better for the same money. Buds Guns has the Adarm Arms blems for'$599 and its a piston system. The reasearch and learning is half the fun...take you time and enjoy! |
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Fn 15 is top notch but hard to find. Same price as a colt 6920 but a much better rifle for the money. Check out the sig m400 Spikes Tactical and bcm s all bad ass rifles as well. Interested in the data and evidence upon which you base your comparison of the FN and Colt ETA: because the distinct advantage that FN would have had over the Colt is the quality of their CHF barrels... however, they chose to use button-broached barrels in the FN15. If it were not for this (and that ugly ass laser etched logo) I would definitely give FN a shot over Colt. To be honest I was excited when they said that they were releasing the FNs because I am from the city where they are made and they appeared to be a good alternative to the Colt 6920 but the laser etching and lack of the their CHF barrel really disappointed me. Not to mention, FN has access to Colt's TDP so they legally can't produce it to those same specifications... therefore, they would have to have diverged somewhere and I don't see any specs that show that they attempted to exceed the standard of the TDP (I completely understand the TDP isn't the highest level of AR manufacturing so i'm not trying to have a TDP argument). Anyways, just interested to see the data that you have seen that shows the FN to be a better rifle. Thanks |
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Fn 15 is top notch but hard to find. Same price as a colt 6920 but a much better rifle for the money. Check out the sig m400 Spikes Tactical and bcm s all bad ass rifles as well. Interested in the data and evidence upon which you base your comparison of the FN and Colt. Thanks The way I interpret this statement, is that he believe it's better because it is "prettier". |
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Fn 15 is top notch but hard to find. Same price as a colt 6920 but a much better rifle for the money. Check out the sig m400 Spikes Tactical and bcm s all bad ass rifles as well. Interested in the data and evidence upon which you base your comparison of the FN and Colt. Thanks The way I interpret this statement, is that he believe it's better because it is "prettier". I believe that your interpretation is correct. |
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Fn 15 is top notch but hard to find. Same price as a colt 6920 but a much better rifle for the money. Check out the sig m400 Spikes Tactical and bcm s all bad ass rifles as well. Interested in the data and evidence upon which you base your comparison of the FN and Colt. Thanks The way I interpret this statement, is that he believe it's better because it is "prettier". I believe that your interpretation is correct. Yup, as you know, same story over in the thread about a potential RRA purchase... |
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Build your own like I did.
Go to your local dealer and get a stripped lower of a reputable brand, do all the paper work etc. Then do research on what you really want in your gun and how you want to use it. Range toy? HD? Hunting? Long range? Short range? For me building/buying parts for my first AR was half the fun. But then you get black rifle disease. And then you see stuff you want changed... or added... ...................... Next build will be a .300blk SBR, will be lots of fun building it! |
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Build your own like I did. Go to your local dealer and get a stripped lower of a reputable brand, do all the paper work etc. Then do research on what you really want in your gun and how you want to use it. Range toy? HD? Hunting? Long range? Short range? For me building/buying parts for my first AR was half the fun. But then you get black rifle disease. And then you see stuff you want changed... or added... ...................... Next build will be a .300blk SBR, will be lots of fun building it! If you have all of the equipment and expertise to do this, it is a great option. Most of the time, I suggest people buy a factory rifle for their first AR so they have a chance to really get to know the system. Core 15 is alright... the rifle that the OP listed is a good rifle and you aren't going to have to give up the rail in order to get a Colt, BCM, LMT, ect. I personally rather get one of the previously mentioned brands and save for a rail (or even better yet get an upper with the rail installed from BCM). I think the whole "this is my first rifle so I can compromise on quality" mentality is such a terrible mindset. The Core 15 will be fine and you will get the rifle w/ a rail for under 1k but you just have to ask yourself what your priorities are... is the addition of the rail worth a slight drop off in functional quality. |
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I think the whole "this is my first rifle so I can compromise on quality" mentality is such a terrible mindset. The Core 15 will be fine and you will get the rifle w/ a rail for under 1k but you just have to ask yourself what your priorities are... is the addition of the rail worth a slight drop off in functional quality. I agree with that. I know nothing of the Core, and these days it is hard to recommend building over buying with the market the way it is, but I still try to. If the guy has the skill, tools, and space, you do end up with just the rifle you wanted. It's a great way to get them addicted, and learn the rifle's function as well 
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Quoted: Interested in the data and evidence upon which you base your comparison of the FN and Colt ETA: because the distinct advantage that FN would have had over the Colt is the quality of their CHF barrels... however, they chose to use button-broached barrels in the FN15. If it were not for this (and that ugly ass laser etched logo) I would definitely give FN a shot over Colt. To be honest I was excited when they said that they were releasing the FNs because I am from the city where they are made and they appeared to be a good alternative to the Colt 6920 but the laser etching and lack of the their CHF barrel really disappointed me. Not to mention, FN has access to Colt's TDP so they legally can't produce it to those same specifications... therefore, they would have to have diverged somewhere and I don't see any specs that show that they attempted to exceed the standard of the TDP (I completely understand the TDP isn't the highest level of AR manufacturing so i'm not trying to have a TDP argument). Anyways, just interested to see the data that you have seen that shows the FN to be a better rifle. Thanks Quoted: Quoted: Fn 15 is top notch but hard to find. Same price as a colt 6920 but a much better rifle for the money. Check out the sig m400 Spikes Tactical and bcm s all bad ass rifles as well. Interested in the data and evidence upon which you base your comparison of the FN and Colt ETA: because the distinct advantage that FN would have had over the Colt is the quality of their CHF barrels... however, they chose to use button-broached barrels in the FN15. If it were not for this (and that ugly ass laser etched logo) I would definitely give FN a shot over Colt. To be honest I was excited when they said that they were releasing the FNs because I am from the city where they are made and they appeared to be a good alternative to the Colt 6920 but the laser etching and lack of the their CHF barrel really disappointed me. Not to mention, FN has access to Colt's TDP so they legally can't produce it to those same specifications... therefore, they would have to have diverged somewhere and I don't see any specs that show that they attempted to exceed the standard of the TDP (I completely understand the TDP isn't the highest level of AR manufacturing so i'm not trying to have a TDP argument). Anyways, just interested to see the data that you have seen that shows the FN to be a better rifle. Thanks FN has renown for their quality control where Colt has had issues with their QC. Other then that they are identical in materials and design. |
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FN has renown for their quality control where Colt has had issues with their QC. Other then that they are identical in materials and design. Quoted:
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Fn 15 is top notch but hard to find. Same price as a colt 6920 but a much better rifle for the money. Check out the sig m400 Spikes Tactical and bcm s all bad ass rifles as well. Interested in the data and evidence upon which you base your comparison of the FN and Colt ETA: because the distinct advantage that FN would have had over the Colt is the quality of their CHF barrels... however, they chose to use button-broached barrels in the FN15. If it were not for this (and that ugly ass laser etched logo) I would definitely give FN a shot over Colt. To be honest I was excited when they said that they were releasing the FNs because I am from the city where they are made and they appeared to be a good alternative to the Colt 6920 but the laser etching and lack of the their CHF barrel really disappointed me. Not to mention, FN has access to Colt's TDP so they legally can't produce it to those same specifications... therefore, they would have to have diverged somewhere and I don't see any specs that show that they attempted to exceed the standard of the TDP (I completely understand the TDP isn't the highest level of AR manufacturing so i'm not trying to have a TDP argument). Anyways, just interested to see the data that you have seen that shows the FN to be a better rifle. Thanks FN has renown for their quality control where Colt has had issues with their QC. Other then that they are identical in materials and design. Well said. |
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FN has renown for their quality control where Colt has had issues with their QC. Other then that they are identical in materials and design. Quoted:
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Fn 15 is top notch but hard to find. Same price as a colt 6920 but a much better rifle for the money. Check out the sig m400 Spikes Tactical and bcm s all bad ass rifles as well. Interested in the data and evidence upon which you base your comparison of the FN and Colt ETA: because the distinct advantage that FN would have had over the Colt is the quality of their CHF barrels... however, they chose to use button-broached barrels in the FN15. If it were not for this (and that ugly ass laser etched logo) I would definitely give FN a shot over Colt. To be honest I was excited when they said that they were releasing the FNs because I am from the city where they are made and they appeared to be a good alternative to the Colt 6920 but the laser etching and lack of the their CHF barrel really disappointed me. Not to mention, FN has access to Colt's TDP so they legally can't produce it to those same specifications... therefore, they would have to have diverged somewhere and I don't see any specs that show that they attempted to exceed the standard of the TDP (I completely understand the TDP isn't the highest level of AR manufacturing so i'm not trying to have a TDP argument). Anyways, just interested to see the data that you have seen that shows the FN to be a better rifle. Thanks FN has renown for their quality control where Colt has had issues with their QC. Other then that they are identical in materials and design. Not legally possible but hey, whatever floats your imaginary boat. 
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Fn 15 is top notch but hard to find. Same price as a colt 6920 but a much better rifle for the money. Check out the sig m400 Spikes Tactical and bcm s all bad ass rifles as well. Interested in the data and evidence upon which you base your comparison of the FN and Colt ETA: because the distinct advantage that FN would have had over the Colt is the quality of their CHF barrels... however, they chose to use button-broached barrels in the FN15. If it were not for this (and that ugly ass laser etched logo) I would definitely give FN a shot over Colt. To be honest I was excited when they said that they were releasing the FNs because I am from the city where they are made and they appeared to be a good alternative to the Colt 6920 but the laser etching and lack of the their CHF barrel really disappointed me. Not to mention, FN has access to Colt's TDP so they legally can't produce it to those same specifications... therefore, they would have to have diverged somewhere and I don't see any specs that show that they attempted to exceed the standard of the TDP (I completely understand the TDP isn't the highest level of AR manufacturing so i'm not trying to have a TDP argument). Anyways, just interested to see the data that you have seen that shows the FN to be a better rifle. Thanks FN has renown for their quality control where Colt has had issues with their QC. Other then that they are identical in materials and design. QC issues with their finish maybe  . You can't take the scar and say fn is known for their quality ARs. I like fn but when it comes to ARs they left out their most celebrated part (CHF barrel). People I know who have had experience with FNs in the mil have always preferred the colts but I don't put to much emphasis on that. You are taking the largest producer of ARs in the world and saying that you have seen more qc issues with them than with a brand that has been out for less than a year and barely anyone owns. If you don't want to be "colt person" that is definitely fine but don't make shit up to justify it. They aren't made the same... It isn't legal for them to be made to the same specs.
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Here we go again with the Colt defenders. Its funny, cause being in the military we prefered the FN's. Colt almost went out of business a while back and the DoD stopped accepting thier equipment because the QC was so bad which is part of the reason FN took the DoD contract from then. The other reason being FN not only producing a better gun but at a better price point. Regardless of the pros and cons they are both excellent products and you cant go wrong with either....provided your ok with FNs billboard of a logo. |
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Here we go again with the Colt defenders. Its funny, cause being in the military we prefered the FN's.Colt almost went out of business a while back and the DoD stopped accepting thier equipment because the QC was so bad which is part of the reason FN took the DoD contract from then. The other reason being FN not only producing a better gun but at a better price point. Regardless of the pros and cons they are both excellent products and you cant go wrong with either....provided your ok with FNs billboard of a logo. The FNs are should be good rifles... i don't really consider myself a Colt defender considering the rifles I own at the moment are AAC, Noveske, and LMT but I will call it how I see it. The reason I don't take too much stock into what feels better to certain guys I have talked to in the military is because I honestly don't think anyone can really tell that much of a difference... you like the FNs better the three guys I know liked Colts better (one did carry a SCAR 17 in afghanistan which he really liked but that isn't the same thing we are talking about here). Not to mention that the military FNs are made to the TDP specs (again not gloating over the TDP) and the FN15 is made to something different. If I were the OP, in order, I would look at BCM, Colt, LMT, Smith and Wesson, FN... unless you really have to have the rail preinstalled. |
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Here we go again with the Colt defenders. Its funny, cause being in the military we prefered the FN's.Colt almost went out of business a while back and the DoD stopped accepting thier equipment because the QC was so bad which is part of the reason FN took the DoD contract from then. The other reason being FN not only producing a better gun but at a better price point. Regardless of the pros and cons they are both excellent products and you cant go wrong with either....provided your ok with FNs billboard of a logo. DING DING DING! |
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