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7/7/2005 10:39:29 PM EDT
im going to college in a manufacturing program and i just got the go ahead to make my own muzzle break. I cant bring in the barrel because of campus rules and im not going to pay a gunsmith to thread it. What does the diameter of the hole the bullet passes through supposed to be? .223" ? Bigger than .223?  I am thinking of making it in a style very similar to the Y-COMP.
7/8/2005 12:44:19 AM EDT
[#1]
In this link to Brownells, they describe the Ops Inc four port brake in some detail and state that the bore of the brake is 0.030" larger than the bullet diameter.

Link
7/8/2005 12:04:16 PM EDT
[#2]
thanks for link. now is there a way to thread barrel without a lathe? In the shop and in my textbooks ive seen tools that look like a thread tap but external rather an internal...

Or what ive i thread the muzzle brake to fit on the non threaded barrel and just screwed it on there nice and tight?
7/8/2005 12:06:14 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
thanks for link. now is there a way to thread barrel without a lathe? In the shop and in my textbooks ive seen tools that look like a thread tap but external rather an internal...

Or what ive i thread the muzzle brake to fit on the non threaded barrel and just screwed it on there nice and tight?



Unless your barrel muzzle is already at 0.498", for 1/2"X28TPI, you need a lathe to turn it down to that diameter, then you can use a thread guide in the bore to squarely start your threading die.
7/8/2005 1:05:16 PM EDT
[#4]
hmm. what if i use a thread specification that will work with the already .698" diameter?
7/8/2005 1:43:33 PM EDT
[#5]

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hmm. what if i use a thread specification that will work with the already .698" diameter?



If that's your present barrel OD and your required threads major diameter, thread away.

You might end up with an "odd" looking muzzle brake, but aren't they all "odd" looking anyway????
7/8/2005 4:19:38 PM EDT
[#6]
this is what ive doodled up so far


7/10/2005 5:32:11 AM EDT
[#7]
I would think you want some ports in the top of the break. You also need some way to duplicate the peel or crush washer so it can be properly indexed with the barrel.
7/10/2005 5:53:30 AM EDT
[#8]
I wouldn't trust a threading die to start straight enough without a guide like Mongo described.  You won't be able to find a SAE or metric thread that is .698-.700 (17.72mm) on the major diameter.  I'd just machine the bore where it slides over the barrel .001 to .002 less than muzzle diameter, heat it up and press it on.  You won't need to worry about indexing your ports either if you press it on.  If you do manage to thread it you can put your crush/peel washer in front of the muzzle where the barrel butts up against the inside of the brake.  Your brake design will work, you don't need holes on top.  Machine the brake .002 less than the barrel, throw the barrel in the freezer, heat up the brake and press it on .
7/10/2005 11:55:10 AM EDT
[#9]
so if press it on will it not fly downrange eventually? How do I go about forcefully pressing it on there?
7/10/2005 12:32:29 PM EDT
[#10]

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so if press it on will it not fly downrange eventually? How do I go about forcefully pressing it on there?



I would guess if it is not mechanically held on by pins, thread, etc., it will eventually shoot off.  Hell, even the pinned on Colt brakes were shooting themselves off due to poor quality pins being used on the brakes.
7/10/2005 12:34:35 PM EDT
[#11]

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so if press it on will it not fly downrange eventually? How do I go about forcefully pressing it on there?



I doubt it would go downrange but if you were really worried you could pin it so that the pin just catches the barrel similar to a front sight base.  If you machine it to a .002 press fit it should stay put.  If you throw the barrel in the freezer for a few hours or pack it in dry ice and heat the brake for 5 minutes with a propane torch it should be able to be driven on with a hard plastic or leather mallet.  Better yet use a big plastic dead blow.  Once the temperatures equalize it will be solid.  I'd stand the barrel straight up when pounding and slide a hardwood dowl in the upper so that the force of the beating is not placed on the upper receiver.  It should really go on with little effort.  It's worth a try since you would not permanantly modify your barrel.  Another solution would be to silver solder it on.  My solution is not perfect but given your lack of a lathe to put the barrel in it's the best I can come up with.  Sometimes you have to think outside the box.
7/13/2005 10:38:19 PM EDT
[#12]
i cant see anything to lose by putting it on by shrink fit, how do i make sure the ports are level with the rifle and not crooked?
7/13/2005 10:43:23 PM EDT
[#13]
I don't know about your campus' rules, but can you not dissassemble your upper and bring just the barrel in to thread?

I know I could get away with that, as long as I didn't bring an actual "firearm" on campus.  I could have pushed my luck and brought the entire upper, but an action block and barrel wrench run what, $40 or thereabouts? (forgot what I paid for mine)  Its not too terribly hard to take one apart and put it back together again.
7/13/2005 11:05:46 PM EDT
[#14]
nope not even just the barrel, i asked
7/14/2005 12:42:50 AM EDT
[#15]
How much experience do you have with a lathe?

You could put two set screw holes in the brake with .0005" slip fit or less. Then maybe drill two divets in the barrel that the screws could seat in.

7/14/2005 11:24:09 AM EDT
[#16]
not a lot, all ive done is made some punches and external threads for graded projects. I dont think i can do any drilling on the barrel because the only drill i have access to is a cordless, not a press
7/14/2005 11:39:06 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
i cant see anything to lose by putting it on by shrink fit, how do i make sure the ports are level with the rifle and not crooked?



I would just eyeball it.  It might help to slide a 12" length of 1/2" rod through your ports in the brake to line it up 90 degrees from the front sight post.
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