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Posted: 6/11/2006 8:59:02 AM EDT
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hey i have to qualify this fall and was wondering if anyone had diagrams of what the target should look like through the sight picture of the iron sights on an m16 at the differernt distances. for example, some have said at the pop up range that you have to aim at the bearm at the closest targets and center of mass at the 200+ distances. just want to clarify. i tried google but didnt have any luck on the images of what the sight picture should look like through the iron sights, like titled down for closer, and iron sights even for farther shots thanks for the help! |
| I'm in the MC but I did get a chance to shoot the Army Qual course at Drum. I've never had so much fun b/c we had req'd way too much ammo. Instructors were letting us put it in burst, having us run up to the firing positions etc. In my experience it was POA POI out to the furthest targets. This using the MC 36yd BZO. My 2nd relay I didn't drop one shot. Not sure if this helps or not... |
| The army fm for the m16 shows the proper sight picture. There's a link here in the forum in one of the sticky posts. I always aimed center mass to hit the targets at all ranges with the small peep and I was the best in my company at that time and always qualified expert with all assigned weapons so take it for what its worth. |
| I just shot last weekend, 37/40 :) as for the distances of the targets, your lookin at 50 left and right, 100, 150, 200, 250 and 300 meters. I can say that with my firing eye being 20/25, that 300 meter is just a blur, and i go for center mass of that blur, get her just about every time. But for all targets, the sight picture should be front post centered in rear sight, then the top of front sight on the point of aim (center mass for starters). Once you feel comfortable, you can get more advanced and shoot slightly low for the 50's, and slightly high for the 300's. Ft Drum doesn't have the short/fat 50 meter targets that i am used to, they have "ivan's" on all points, which makes hitting the 50s easier cause old ivan is taller. The biggest thing on the ranges is clearing you eyes between rounds, its should be both eyes open, scan, swing to target, aim, close non-firing eye and adjust as you squeeze, pop the SOB then both eyes open on the the second target. I LOVE pop up ranges, good army fun. |
| yea they only let us go once, im hoping ill be able to go more than once this year. i need practice to get used to it, didnt help that the winds were so bad there. the portable shitters were blowing over becuase the wind was so bad. haha well i shouldnt make excuses. |
| I shot in extremely high winds last time I quald and I would have to say the most important thing then is to get your zero down as good as you can. No room for error there, but as long as your zero is good, then you should be perfect for center mass. I try to teach all my guys that and I can tell which ones will get expert and which ones will struggle just from their zeros. |
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Ive only shot at a pop up qual range one time since basic and that was in graf. The ranges are really pretty limited in Germany. We use the alternate paper targets. You have to hit more targets to qual and to get each level. 27/40 min to qual. I qual'd with 38/40 last time and that was in a bad sand storm. Had to open my eyes for just a brief second each time to shoot. Crazy... |
What he said. Still, to increase your odds a bit, understand that you will be zeroed for center mass at 300m. You also have to consider that your sights are 2.5 inches over your bore, and this puts the "sweet spot" for catching the bullet on the rise at less than 50 meters. In other words, you should actually be aiming low at every target except the 300 meter target. In practice, the only ones I really worry about is the 100 and the 150 - the 100 because it is such a short target that the small difference is worth noting, and the 150 because the difference between point of aim and point of impact is most pronounced. Aiming points per the FM:  Be sure to adjust your rear sight when you zero, and return it to the 300 meter setting when you qualify. This is the biggest "dumb mistake" I see - and I see it often. The below graphs show how you will screw yourself if you don't make the rear sight adjustment for zero, and also how relatively insignificant elevation is out to 300m if zeroed properly. The various colors are for the different setting on the rear sight. Battlesight zero is 300m, but to acheive it you normally zero at 25 meters and adjust your rear sight up one notch to compensate.  |
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