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Posted: 11/14/2014 7:37:06 PM EDT
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Hello all,
My daughter just completed the Airforce BMT training, and we went to see her graduation. Needless to say I was a very proud dad! While we were on base we were able to see the area where she slept and her locker. I was able to see her training weapon, which gave me the idea of building her a clone for all her hard work. The part I am having trouble locating is the blue colored stock set. My question is does anyone sell the blue stock sets that the Airforce uses on there M16a2 training rifles. Has anybody else built a clone like this? And could share some info with me as to where they bought the parts? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Wade |
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I've never seen one of the training rifles you refer to, so I'm not sure what the Air Force blue looks like, but Cavalry Manufacturing is making their stuff in a number of different colors now and they list a dark blue. Maybe it is close to what you are looking for?
Cav. Man. furniture |
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Its been awhile since I read up on them, but IIRC they are not actual weapons, but rather dummies put together by a well known AR manufacture. I want to say Olympic Arms, but I could be wrong.
As I remember, they have moving parts, etc and are probably "Legally" firearms as far as the ATF is concerned. But not actual weapons as the Miltitary is concerned as they cannot actually shoot live ammo. |
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I've never seen one of the training rifles you refer to, so I'm not sure what the Air Force blue looks like, but Cavalry Manufacturing is making their stuff in a number of different colors now and they list a dark blue. Maybe it is close to what you are looking for? Cav. Man. furniture Thank you, That is what I was looking for maybe they will have a color that will work. The blue listed with the rifle length handguards looks like it may be to light but I will double check it with the pics I took. |
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Thank you, That is what I was looking for maybe they will have a color that will work. The blue listed with the rifle length handguards looks like it may be to light but I will double check it with the pics I took. They offer the darker blue like pictured with the C2 telestock in all of the furniture thay have - fixed stocks, pistol grips etc. The dark blue is probably a lot closer to the color you are looking for. |
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Its been awhile since I read up on them, but IIRC they are not actual weapons, but rather dummies put together by a well known AR manufacture. I want to say Olympic Arms, but I could be wrong. As I remember, they have moving parts, etc and are probably "Legally" firearms as far as the ATF is concerned. But not actual weapons as the Miltitary is concerned as they cannot actually shoot live ammo. You are correct. My daughter said that these rifles did not have a gas tube, and she thought the hammer had been removed so they would not fire. Everything from the outside looked to be a m16a2 rifle with blue furniture, I took some pics although I could only get pics of the one side. The insignia on the lower almost looked like the Armalite logo although there was no circle around it like the curent ones I see. Maybe an early lower? The pics of it didn't turn out real well there was a glare, these rifles had a shiny black upper and lower. Although these were non firing I still thought a firing clone would be neat, but if I can't match the furniture I will just build her an A2 with black furniture. She will be tickled with it no matter what I'm sure. She doesn't own a rifle of her own yet. |
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They offer the darker blue like pictured with the C2 telestock in all of the furniture thay have - fixed stocks, pistol grips etc. The dark blue is probably a lot closer to the color you are looking for. Quoted:
Thank you, That is what I was looking for maybe they will have a color that will work. The blue listed with the rifle length handguards looks like it may be to light but I will double check it with the pics I took. They offer the darker blue like pictured with the C2 telestock in all of the furniture thay have - fixed stocks, pistol grips etc. The dark blue is probably a lot closer to the color you are looking for. Thank you, I didn't realize that I will look at the dark blue and see if its closer. |
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Olympic Arms Cobalt Trainerhttp://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac314/AR15_Oly1/06OLYTourcompletedCobaltTrainer.jpg Wow, great pic. Thanks for sharing. |
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I personally wouldn't build a firing clone of a training rifle. YMMV. The OP is looking for blue furniture. The rest of the rifle his daughter trained with is physically no different than a standard M16A2 with the exception of not being able to fire. The OP wants to build a fully functional firearm. Esentially, every AR out there is a clone of a training rifle, since they originated as military rifles that a lot of folks here trained on, myself included. You're looking too far into this one I think. |
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She might appreciate one with the standard black furniture more. When she went out to do the actual weapons qual I guarantee she was shooting one with black furniture not blue. I know it's already been said but they're blue to indicate they're non-firing. I'd think a name brand M16 clone such as Colt that she can carry down through generations would be more important than that cheesy blue furniture (I can say that, I'm in the AF).
What career field is she going into? |
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She might appreciate one with the standard black furniture more. When she went out to do the actual weapons qual I guarantee she was shooting one with black furniture not blue. I know it's already been said but they're blue to indicate they're non-firing. I'd think a name brand M16 clone such as Colt that she can carry down through generations would be more important than that cheesy blue furniture (I can say that, I'm in the AF). What career field is she going into? She will already have plenty of rifles to pass down through the generations when I'm gone so I'm not worried about that. She can put the a2 with blue furniture next to the 601 with green furniture someday. She is going into client systems. |
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I personally wouldn't build a firing clone of a training rifle. YMMV. Why not? You dont think seeing an orange tip on the end of a weapon automatically means its a toy too do you? The idea a weapon is "safe" based soley on looks is a tactic the anti-gunners use. Dont buy into it. Treat all firearms as if they are loaded at all times. |
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Why not? You dont think seeing an orange tip on the end of a weapon automatically means its a toy too do you? The idea a weapon is "safe" based soley on looks is a tactic the anti-gunners use. Dont buy into it. Treat all firearms as if they are loaded at all times. Quoted:
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I personally wouldn't build a firing clone of a training rifle. YMMV. Why not? You dont think seeing an orange tip on the end of a weapon automatically means its a toy too do you? The idea a weapon is "safe" based soley on looks is a tactic the anti-gunners use. Dont buy into it. Treat all firearms as if they are loaded at all times. So now I'm using anti-gunner logic. This place, I swear, it burns sometimes. OP's daughter will spend the next four to 30 years around Air Force people, all of whom will associate blue furniture with a training weapon. She will have this rifle in her home, around her roommates and guests, and will presumably take it to the range with her fellow Airmen. All of them will not have perfect or even acceptable weapons handling skills. I saw many, many NDs during my time in the service. I didn't say that this is an idiotic thing to do or that it is morally wrong. I'm saying I wouldn't. Again, YMMV. |
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I appreciate all the replies everyone.
I've been thinking about talking to her more about maybe just going with black furniture, we will see. So now my next question is, what is the best budget a2 rifle on the market right now. It seems like I can find plenty of flat top and carbines but the standard A2 rifles seem to be more expensive. I don't figure it will get a ton of use and I don't want to break the bank on it. Are there any good ones that can be bought new for under $700 that are worth owning? Or should I just hold out for a nice quality used one. Thanks again everyone. |
| As soon as I saw the first post I thought "oh no!" As others have said, blue is universal color for a simunitions gun. IMO, real bad idea. Why don't you wait and build her a clone of the REAL & BLACK weapon she will be issued when she gos to Iraq (half jokeing about Iraqistan, LOL) |
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I appreciate all the replies everyone. I've been thinking about talking to her more about maybe just going with black furniture, we will see. So now my next question is, what is the best budget a2 rifle on the market right now. It seems like I can find plenty of flat top and carbines but the standard A2 rifles seem to be more expensive. I don't figure it will get a ton of use and I don't want to break the bank on it. Are there any good ones that can be bought new for under $700 that are worth owning? Or should I just hold out for a nice quality used one. Thanks again everyone. Are you talking about buying or building? I know A2s are getting rare. Model 1 sales still sells complete standard A2 kits. I think you can spec it with a gov profile barrel, with is important. Other than M1S, yeah, hard to find. I just found out that CDNN has stripped A2 upers for $50, another $15 for the forward assist and dust door, but they don't have the rear sight, gotta get it from DPMS for $38. Might want to get the upper and then just swap it onto an A3 that you find, but overall 20" barrel and fixed stocks are not common either, about all I see on racks at gun shops is M4s. I'd go with a M1S kit and a stripped lower. Stripped lowers were everywhere for $75 at the last gun show I went to. ETA: Olympic arms sucks. That's why the Air Force only uses them as "non fireing" training guns. 
ETA: http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=185 Gunna cost $575 (you gotta pay $35 extra for the A2 upper option, make sure you select it from the pull down.) $575 + shipping? $75 (lower) + background check $650~ and that's for a nice rifle with proper chrome lined government barrel and I can assemble a lower in about 30 minutes if I stop to drink a 6 pack |
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Are you talking about buying or building? I know A2s are getting rare. Model 1 sales still sells complete standard A2 kits. I think you can spec it with a gov profile barrel, with is important. Other than M1S, yeah, hard to find. I just found out that CDNN has stripped A2 upers for $50, another $15 for the forward assist and dust door, but they don't have the rear sight, gotta get it from DPMS for $38. Might want to get the upper and then just swap it onto an A3 that you find, but overall 20" barrel and fixed stocks are not common either, about all I see on racks at gun shops is M4s. I'd go with a M1S kit and a stripped lower. Stripped lowers were everywhere for $75 at the last gun show I went to. ETA: Olympic arms sucks. That's why the Air Force only uses them as "non fireing" training guns.
ETA: http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=185 Gunna cost $575 (you gotta pay $35 extra for the A2 upper option, make sure you select it from the pull down.) $575 + shipping? $75 (lower) + background check $650~ and that's for a nice rifle with proper chrome lined government barrel and I can assemble a lower in about 30 minutes if I stop to drink a 6 pack Quoted:
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I appreciate all the replies everyone. I've been thinking about talking to her more about maybe just going with black furniture, we will see. So now my next question is, what is the best budget a2 rifle on the market right now. It seems like I can find plenty of flat top and carbines but the standard A2 rifles seem to be more expensive. I don't figure it will get a ton of use and I don't want to break the bank on it. Are there any good ones that can be bought new for under $700 that are worth owning? Or should I just hold out for a nice quality used one. Thanks again everyone. Are you talking about buying or building? I know A2s are getting rare. Model 1 sales still sells complete standard A2 kits. I think you can spec it with a gov profile barrel, with is important. Other than M1S, yeah, hard to find. I just found out that CDNN has stripped A2 upers for $50, another $15 for the forward assist and dust door, but they don't have the rear sight, gotta get it from DPMS for $38. Might want to get the upper and then just swap it onto an A3 that you find, but overall 20" barrel and fixed stocks are not common either, about all I see on racks at gun shops is M4s. I'd go with a M1S kit and a stripped lower. Stripped lowers were everywhere for $75 at the last gun show I went to. ETA: Olympic arms sucks. That's why the Air Force only uses them as "non fireing" training guns.
ETA: http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=185 Gunna cost $575 (you gotta pay $35 extra for the A2 upper option, make sure you select it from the pull down.) $575 + shipping? $75 (lower) + background check $650~ and that's for a nice rifle with proper chrome lined government barrel and I can assemble a lower in about 30 minutes if I stop to drink a 6 pack I wasn't sure about buying or building, but I'm leaning toward building. I'm going to build a regular A2 for her with black furniture. I spoke with her about all the comments here and we decided it would be best to not build a trainer clone with blue furniture. Again I appreciate all the helpful comments here. I will check into Model 1 sales, I had forgotten about them. I have a friend who built one of their kits and he was happy with it. Might have to try an pick up a nice stripped lower during the black friday deals? Thanks again everyone.........Wade |
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You need to keep an eye on the EE. Just recently there was a complete FN A2 Upper Half for sale that went for $525 shipped. It had an FK A2 Upper, FNMI Barrel, F marked Carrier, and an MPF marked Bolt. All you would have needed was a complete Lower Receiver Assembly. |
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You need to keep an eye on the EE. Just recently there was a complete FN A2 Upper Half for sale that went for $525 shipped. It had an FK A2 Upper, FNMI Barrel, F marked Carrier, and an MPF marked Bolt. All you would have needed was a complete Lower Receiver Assembly. Thats what I'm looking for, I would definately prefer a FN A2 kit. I have a stripped AP lower on the way, and I already have a CMMG lower parts kit so it wouldn't take much to complete one from there. I'll keep watching and hopefully something will show up. I was also thinking about posting in the WTB section and see if I could find one that way. I guess the hunt is part of the fun anyway 
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Here's a link to a complete FN A2 Upper Half for sale in the EE for $525, Good Luck. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=159&t=1375471 |
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Here's a link to a complete FN A2 Upper Half for sale in the EE for $525, Good Luck. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=159&t=1375471 Haha, I already sent an IM on that one, we will see. Edit, I bought it, cant wait to put it together for her. Thank you again grondike I appreciate it. Thanks again everyone, great group of people here. |
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