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Posted: 10/23/2012 3:40:46 AM EDT
| Do they work better with eotechs or aimpoints. womdering if the reticle difff make a diff. id like to hear fromyou guys that use them. also are magnifiers really necessary. do you that have them use them or do they stay flipped to he side most of the time? |
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In my experience they work with eotechs better. They really sharpen the image, and the recticle.
I use the aimpoint magnifier on mine simply because of the twist mount. Flip to the sides are great. But beig able to remove the mag completely, and iny use it when the mission calls for it, that's what works for me. Do they work well, IMO yes. They fill a nice notch allowing the RDS to be a tad more accurate at range. |
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If I was purchasing optics again I would go for a 1-4x scope. My 3x sits flipped off to the side most of the time. Comes in handy for 200 yard plus shoots on plates, but the ML2 dot size is not the best for smaller plates at distance, a 2 MOA dot would of been better.
To me the cost on top of the rifle is not worth any small gains that a simple true 1-4x scope brings to the table. |
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Again, being able to remove the magnifier is a huge thing. The extra weight that is not needed most of the time is a big deal on a carbine that be a bit on the portly side.
My biggest complaint about a 1-4 is the constant 1-1.5 lbs of weight added to a light rifle. |
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In my experience they work with eotechs better. They really sharpen the image, and the recticle. I use the aimpoint magnifier on mine simply because of the twist mount. Flip to the sides are great. But beig able to remove the mag completely, and iny use it when the mission calls for it, that's what works for me. Do they work well, IMO yes. They fill a nice notch allowing the RDS to be a tad more accurate at range. I have thought about going with a 1-4X as my first optic instead of a RDS BUT I feel like the parallax free aspect of the RDS (and lack thereof for 1-4X optics) is the deal breaker for me. In a CHTF scenario, I don't want to worry about whether my cheap weld is just right or the reticle is centered. Does this come in to play at all with your desire to move away from Red dot sights? |
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practice with the rifle and it will land where it needs to be when it needs to be there.
For my use (USPSA etc) the optics have to stay attached to the rifle at all times. Optics wt is not much for me when I have a 16 Hbar (6721 barrel) and a JP FF tube. For me a 2moa dot would of been better than a 4moa, but aimpoint did not makes yet. no exp with eotecs. |
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pretty sure aimpoint makes a 2moa dot in all thier models now? Yes, They have been doing this for a while now with the comp series, M4 is 2moa, and recently the T-1 now comes in a 2moa dot, as does the newer PRO model. I also had to give up my aimpoints because of eyesite, but didn't like the extra weight of the 1-4x either. I went with the TA33. |
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I have been thinking about a ta33 myself. However 3x o a hd rifle is a little much. Red dots are a bummer for my eyes now days, and after trying 1-4x, and not liking the extra weight, I bought my TA33G-8, and found myself wishing I did this in the first place. If this helps? Mine have the green chevron reticle, and I have gotten used to the BAC, and can put rounds on target just as quick in as close as 7 yds. I have it zeroed out to 110 yds, and use the tip of the 300yd point up close. Any closer that that I just instinctively point shoot. Of course, keep in mind that I personally wouldn't use my AR for HD, and would go for my pistol with a good light, first, due to living in a suburban area. I do love my TA33 though! If you could talk to my shooting buddy, whom I drove nuts this past year showing up at the range with a different red dot, or 1-4x, or eotech W magnifier this past year, until I finally got the TA33, and stopped bitching about some con that I didn't like about the other options 
It sucked getting older, and getting bummer eyesight until I got my Acog. |
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Well aware aimpoint now makes a 2moa dot. OK, I stand corrected, but this is what made us think you were not aware. but aimpoint did not makes yet.
My apologies, Just trying to be helpful. typing fast, Brain autocorrect, but fingers missed it. 
Should of been but aimpoint did not make it yet. |
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Well aware aimpoint now makes a 2moa dot. OK, I stand corrected, but this is what made us think you were not aware. but aimpoint did not makes yet.
My apologies, Just trying to be helpful. typing fast, Brain autocorrect, but fingers missed it.
Should of been but aimpoint did not make it yet. Happens to me all of the time I even tried using another keyboard to try and help this, but to no avail
I would love to have a voice operated type, but I think my neighbors would think I was nuts
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I've been testing one for a couple months. They are worthwhile & add some precision\speed at distance. One recent observation at the range was seeing a card board USPSA target at 150 yds. The sun angle with the grass on the berm made seeing the target very difficult without the magnifier. 300 yds was easy when compared to just the aimpoint. Steel plates at 300 yds weren't visable without the magnifier. I took a trijicon 1.25-4X24 along for comparison of field of view & clarity.
When setting the scope on three power it was clearer & the field of view slightly larger. That said the advantages over the scope would be indoor use, remove without loss of zero, & changing from magification to none. They aren't perfect but nothing is. I placed it behind the EO & have to agree with the above poster that it is clearer & you could be more precise with the 1 MOA center dot. I'll be trying it that way soon for comparison at the range but the 4 MOA dot wasn't bad for larger targets. They offer no advantage inside 100 yds. |
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Having owned at least 4 red-dots, 3 1x-4xs and 3 magnifiers in the last 2.5 years, here are some thoughts:
a) 1X-4X is great except: it's heavy, true 1Xs are rare (1.1x-1.25x is more common but confuses my eyes), the limited eyebox is a bit hard to get used to after years of red-dots (but this goes for magnifiers as well––if not moreso), few lit up reticles are daylight visible (even the bright TR24 can fade out on you if you're under cover looking out into brightness––with the black triangle blending with a black target). I do like the MTAC and the TR24 though...if/when a TR24R comes out with a circle-dot or BDC reticle, I'll HAVE to try it I think. b) Eotechs magnify better than T-1s, which as a symptom of their design, usually have a bit of a shadow or artifact. Oddly, I've seen an Eotech reticle turn into a beautiful red-laser-etched reticle using a 3x once, but my current ones look almost perfect in shape, but slightly pixelated––I don't know if it's the G33 3X, the EXPS or the different combo or what. I think the reticle that looked laser-etched was an XPS2 with a primary arms or vortex 3X. Go figure. :o) c) I don't mind the shadow or comma-effect of the 4MOA or 2MOA T-1s when magnified, but for others it's unacceptable. I don't shoot past 200 yards, so I've never had an issue––for distances past 300Y, then holdover with a T-1 would be too hard anyway. d) The large Aimpoints magnify into nice circles, but suffer from being even heavier/bulkier than most eotechs (like the EXPS). My dream option is a 9-10 ounce mounted Elcan with a good eyebox/good eye relief at 4X. |
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Can someone comment on using the Aimpoint 3x magnifier with a Comp M4s. I really like how the EoTech looks through their magnifier, my question is how disappointed will I be with the Aimpoint 3x/Comp M4s combo?
I'm running this setup on my 308. I use the magnifier when shooting targets pass 100 yards. At 50 yards you can see the holes clearly with the magnifier. The optic and the magnifier line up perfect and my M4s is sitting on a Bobro mount. I love this combination and have no plans of changing it. Here's a quick picture of my setup. 
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