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Posted: 2/5/2014 1:04:19 PM EDT
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I did a search on it and found an old thread but figured I'd ask again since parts availability has changed.
What do you guys think about taking a CH forge code upper and removing the code as to make it appear to be an earlier model? Still think it's bad ju-ju? If I did so, I would like to think that there would be another way to tell upon closer inspection to guarantee that someone won't get burned on it later on, of course I have absolutely zero intention of selling it. I'm just not sure if I want to do it to an original. |
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Early uppers also had a rebated front pivot pin. I doubt there were any CH uppers made like that. Still, I wouldn't personally do it. I appreciate each piece for what it is, and use it to build something in that time period. I do understand wanting to make something correct. It's too bad NDS uppers are so hard to find - I would modify one of them in a hot minute, as there is no historical value. Same with any Anchor Harvey stuff.
ETA: Not much doubt in my mind that if you did this, you'd later find a non-code upper, THEN decide you needed a CH marked upper for another build, like a late-war M16A1. Never fails. 
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Probably. I'ze purty stoopit. 
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Yea it'll still be a round forge so why go through the bother and expense? Weren't 1966-1972 round forge no codes? Probably. I'ze purty stoopit.
Nah. I just happened to have looked the other day is why I knew, I just checked again. Ekie's sticky says 66-71 were round forge. |
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Nah. I just happened to have looked the other day is why I knew, I just checked again. Ekie's sticky says 66-71 were round forge. Quoted:
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Yea it'll still be a round forge so why go through the bother and expense? Weren't 1966-1972 round forge no codes? Probably. I'ze purty stoopit.
Nah. I just happened to have looked the other day is why I knew, I just checked again. Ekie's sticky says 66-71 were round forge. Here's the whole problem with retro dating in a nutshell: I have an original XM16E1 complete upper, which I date at 1966 because of various reasons. The receiver was likely made in 1965 - but what month? Colt didn't stop production of older parts at 12pm Greenwich village time on Jan. 1 of every year - they used up whatever parts they had laying around - as long as they met the current specifications, which at that time were in flux. I can't say for sure if my upper is '65 or '66, but it's square forge, but doesn't line up with the lower, so I've been thinking '66. Again, what month? How is December '65 different from January '66 - see what I mean? It doesn't have a drainhole in the FSB, which began in '67, but again, what month? Ekie knows that, and his guide is just that - a guide. There have been myriad documented anomalies, enough to drive a retro guy, especially a newbie trying to get a handle on exact dates, crazy. I suggest Dewatter's '5.56 timeline' for more details. Sometimes, when available, the month a certain feature became standard is mentioned. You have to remember, just because it says it was adopted in March of '65 for example, the front line units likely didn't see any changes for months. Add to that rearsennalled weapons serviced in-country with replacement parts and put back into service, as well as older weapons sitting on racks in combat-support units, and it really becomes a mess, and nearly impossible to get a handle on. One example I see all the time is people think that ALL M16A1's should have trapdoor stocks, when they weren't really in the system until 1971. Yes, some were tested in the field as early as 1968 (IIRC) but most 603's in the late 60's would have had type D stocks. There's a reason there's so many of the damn things out there. Also, the C MP C barrel about the same time period, not the B marked, chrome-lined barrel. On top of this, the Marines immediately changed the birdcage out for the earlier improved 3-prong. Add to that Colt's propensity for using up older parts (wouldn't you?) and sometimes it seems like a crapshoot. All you can do is do your homework, date your pieces, and assemble something which makes sense...if possible. |
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Id like to have it removed from my nodak upper When I ordered an upper from Nodak a couple of years ago, I asked them to remove the code. They did a great job. Seems that might be the way to go for an early style upper--- assuming of course that they will still do that. Bill M, |
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When I ordered an upper from Nodak a couple of years ago, I asked them to remove the code. They did a great job. Seems that might be the way to go for an early style upper--- assuming of course that they will still do that. Bill M, Quoted:
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Id like to have it removed from my nodak upper When I ordered an upper from Nodak a couple of years ago, I asked them to remove the code. They did a great job. Seems that might be the way to go for an early style upper--- assuming of course that they will still do that. Bill M, Interesting, thanks. The real problem is that no one seems to be doing anodizing anymore. |
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