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Posted: 8/15/2006 12:05:30 PM EDT
| Do any companies sell rubber bullets in .223 or 5.56 to civilians? I'd like to get some for home defense. It dosen't really bother me whether or not I kill the person but I don't want the rounds going through walls. |
And even airsoft will leave little round dents all over. My kids are no longer aloud to shoot airsoft in the house. So yea, just stick with the lead. |
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Let me get this straight... you want rubber bullets in .223 or 5.56 (didn't know there was 5.56 loading for rubber bullets) for "home defense"?!? Are you going to bake a cake and make a martini for the intruder as well? I'm not a criminal, but if I were I'd sleep soundly at night knowing there are people serious about "home defense" such as yourself. I like my martinis dirty with an olive please... |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding of rubber bullets that are made to stop an individual are more like a rifle grenade. They are large heavy blunt slugs that are like a baton punch but can be applied at a distance. It is a one shot deal, since you won't have time to load another if you miss. These were something I remember being used in one of the 70s altercations / riots near Westwood CA involving LAPD and UCLA students as I recall. I was only a kid then. Dave. |
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I was born in Webster, TX, thanks for asking. Rubber bullets can be lethal if you hit the person in the head. The advantage is that they transfer all of their energy to the target (I would think that would give it more knockdown power), instead of just punching through the body and possibly hitting someone else in the house as a normal bullet would. Although it would be safer to me to just kill them, if the person who broke in isn't dead it also saves me a lot of legal hassle. |
Oh man use of 'Transfer of Energy' and 'knockdown power' in the same sentence. Man this will give me a headache. First off you need an basic education in terminal ballistics. Both those terms are absolute BS. And think of it, if the round could really knock the person down then the shooter would also have to be knocked down as well (that whole nasty matter of equal and opposite reactions).
Not a 5.56 bullet from the list posted at the top of the forum. Before we go ANY further I'd suggest following this forums 1 rule (it's posted at the top of the forum) This is a must-read before you post.. Much of this is covered in the FAQ and Ammo Oracle, with more technical info in the research papers by Dr Fackler. At a minimum you should read the Oracle before going any further as you're making many bad assumptions.
You don't think a LIVE burglar who's been injured can't sue for some reason? The point is to STOP the threat. There are only two reliable ways do to this. 1) Destroy the CNS (brain/spine) 2) Cause a large enough bleed out that blood pressure drops so the threat losses consciousness. This means doing as much dammage as possilbe to major blood carrying organs/vessels. Now go do that homework! |
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Just remember, a live burgaler will be whining to the police and his lawyer about how you hurt him and he didn't make any threat to you. To answer your question though, I've never seen a rubber 5.56 round. Rubber (well, something like rubber anyway) slugs and 00 buck, yes, that I've seen. I wouldn't use that either but that's another story. |
I do not know anything about 5.56 or .223 rubber bullets but I do know a little bit about rubber 12 guage slugs, rubber buckshot and bean bag rounds. He DOES have a valid point about kinetic energy transfer. I think people sometimes get confused when discussing knock down power. Knock down power in this case doesnt mean hitting someone hard enough to knock them off their feet. What he is referring to as knock down power is the transfer of kinetic energy through a fluid shockwave over a larger area of the body. The effect psychologically and the pain involved often overwhelmes the senses and the targeted individual and they go to the ground, thinking they have been shot. The muzzle flash, the impact, all are magnified somewhat of a regular round. The effect is simply devastating at times, and yes, they can be used in a very lethal capacity. NOW- Would I choose rubber projectiles in a home defense situation? Absolutely not. The only viable application I have ever used these rounds for is less lethal encounters. Bear in mind though that less lethal should NEVER deployed without a lethal option backup if needed. |
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I may be wrong here, somebody correct me if I am. Many LE Agencies are starting to use 5.56cal weapons as entry guns for this very reason. The 5.56 becomes unstable at a relatively high speed. When it becomes unstable it fragments into tons of tiny little pieces (the cannelured ones do any ways). These pieces are easily stopped by the bad guy or the house. Hollow point hand gun rounds (used in things like MP5s) are actually prone to over penetrate much more than 5.56 rounds when going through houses / apartments. The hollow point packs with sheet-rock or whatever else it hits and acts like ball ammo, tearing through anything it hits. Again, somebody correct me if I'm wrong. This is what was explained to me in a short class. Deffinetly doesn't mean it's correct. They've tought me lots of other things that I later find to be false 
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Yet 75gr Hornady won't go entirely though the body in the first place and cause much more damage to the suspect's internal organs. |
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