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3/21/2013 2:08:24 PM EDT
i havent shot too much through my chrome lined rifle to use a copper solvent, but my handgun needs it. thought id go shopping for some solvents now. what should i get? currently im using just hoppes 9 and otis ultra bore solvent for cleaning. thanks.
3/21/2013 2:26:15 PM EDT
[#1]
How about 91% Alch?  Cleaned my XD 45 very nicely.  FL recommend it to degrease before applying the FL
3/21/2013 2:55:33 PM EDT
[#2]
I buy odorless mineral spirits from Home Depot, in the 1 gallon jug.  Dump all my parts in a fryer basket, let 'em soak, and everything wipes clean.
3/21/2013 3:13:12 PM EDT
[#3]
Quib has a recipe for a solvent, it's around here somewhere.
3/21/2013 3:25:51 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
How about 91% Alch?  Cleaned my XD 45 very nicely.  FL recommend it to degrease before applying the FL


didnt know you could do that with alcohol. i am looking to clean my xd too. FL is what exactly? Frog Lube? Florida?
3/21/2013 4:45:28 PM EDT
[#5]
For copper I started using Bore Tech Eliminator. Took a ton of carbon and copper from a rifle that I was using Hoppes #9. Plus there is no nasty smell.
3/22/2013 4:36:02 AM EDT
[#6]
Alcohol is a degreaser not a copper solvent.

For copper fouling there are several solvents out there that will work, I use Butch's Bore Shine; never have I read a bad or luke-warm review.

3/22/2013 4:57:35 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Alcohol is a degreaser not a copper solvent.

For copper fouling there are several solvents out there that will work, I use Butch's Bore Shine; never have I read a bad or luke-warm review.



+100 on Butch's.  I have tried a ton that are cheaper, but I don't bother any more.  Butch's Bore Shine For Life!
3/22/2013 9:20:32 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Quoted:
How about 91% Alch?  Cleaned my XD 45 very nicely.  FL recommend it to degrease before applying the FL


didnt know you could do that with alcohol. i am looking to clean my xd too. FL is what exactly? Frog Lube? Florida?


Sorry.  Yes, Froglube.  I was pretty impressed with the 91%.
3/24/2013 3:41:41 AM EDT
[#9]
http://www.slip2000.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=S&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=60372

This and a gi cleaning kit is the best way to maintain a AR rifle.
3/25/2013 12:24:15 AM EDT
[#10]
Barnes 10-X.

Don't use it indoors in an unventilated area.

It'll damn sure remove copper fouling. Just follow the directions and don't let it sit too long in the bore. It does it's work in 10 minutes or so.
3/25/2013 11:22:27 AM EDT
[#11]
OMS and CLP...Enough CLP so it looks like tea..
3/25/2013 12:39:36 PM EDT
[#12]
Edited...Please read the rules...VA-gunnut
 
3/27/2013 4:59:28 PM EDT
[#13]
For copper fouling, I've had good luck with Breakfree Bore Cleaning Foam and Montana Xtreme Copper Killer.  The Montana Xtreme stuff reeks to high heaven of ammonia, so use it in a well ventilated area and/or with a respirator.

Remember that copper solvent will eat bronze and brass cleaning tools like rods, jags, and brushes.  At the very least, it can cause a false positive, so use nylon or other materials.    

3/29/2013 4:41:55 PM EDT
[#14]
wow so many options...how do i decide?

any thoughts on Hoppe's M-Pro 7 Copper Remover Solvent?

ill have to get some nylon brushes now. im currently using the otis system that pulls instead of pushing. it has a loop attachment thats brass, but with a black coating. its rubbing off in some areas. do i need a nylon loop or something?
3/30/2013 10:14:31 AM EDT
[#15]
The only thing I don't like about the M-Pro7 is that it doesn't react with copper in a manner that leave blue on your cleaning patches.

As far as the "loop" goes, I would invest in a Dewey rod and some jags. The jags are more effective than the loops by allowing more of the cleaning patch to come into contact with the rifling during each pass through the bore.
3/30/2013 4:49:45 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
The only thing I don't like about the M-Pro7 is that it doesn't react with copper in a manner that leave blue on your cleaning patches.

As far as the "loop" goes, I would invest in a Dewey rod and some jags. The jags are more effective than the loops by allowing more of the cleaning patch to come into contact with the rifling during each pass through the bore.


+1 to using jags.

I usually swab the bore with copper solvent on a patch on a loop, let it sit 5-10 minutes, scrub with a nylon brush, then push copper solvent soaked patches through on a jag.
3/31/2013 7:34:41 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
wow so many options...how do i decide?

any thoughts on Hoppe's M-Pro 7 Copper Remover Solvent?

ill have to get some nylon brushes now. im currently using the otis system that pulls instead of pushing. it has a loop attachment thats brass, but with a black coating. its rubbing off in some areas. do i need a nylon loop or something?


Hoppe's doesn't make M-Pro7 that I am aware of.  I do believe the M-Pro 7 Copper solvent to do a fairly good job of removing copper.  As was mentioned about using Jags it a good idea.  I almost never use a brush in my barrels anymore.  Today's solvents seem to well enough to probably eliminate most needs for brushing besides chamber cleaning.   One solution for Jags is to use the coated Jags from Tipton.   They have a set of Ultra Jags that are coated with a nickel plating to prevent the copper solvent from etching away the jags themselves.  Tipton Ultra Jags   You can buy them as a kit as well rather than one at a time.

For a good copper solvent there is really only one that is outstanding...KG12.   That one is by far the best at eliminating copper fouling.  It is also a regular solvent so you can use it for general cleaning as well.   KG12 is water based and ammonia free so is completely non hazardous to you or your gun.

I will say however this is some discussion on how much or how often to remove copper fouling from the barrel.  There are reports of accuracy going down after copper cleaning until a few shots have been fired through the barrel again.  Some suggest a little copper fouling in the barrel is actually a good thing.   Too much however it just that...Too much.

Some of the suggestions in the above posts mention cleaning solutions to do not even touch the copper.  Alcohol!  Really!!  Not sure what they were reading or thinking.  lol   CLP nor Odorless Mineral Spirits will touch copper fouling either.  Another solution is the foaming bore cleaning products mentioned.  They seem to have developed quite a following lately.  Many of the foaming products also include a copper remover too making them a good choice for one step bore cleaning.

Just some ideas.
4/17/2013 11:22:24 AM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
Quoted:
wow so many options...how do i decide?

any thoughts on Hoppe's M-Pro 7 Copper Remover Solvent?

ill have to get some nylon brushes now. im currently using the otis system that pulls instead of pushing. it has a loop attachment thats brass, but with a black coating. its rubbing off in some areas. do i need a nylon loop or something?


Hoppe's doesn't make M-Pro7 that I am aware of.  I do believe the M-Pro 7 Copper solvent to do a fairly good job of removing copper.  As was mentioned about using Jags it a good idea.  I almost never use a brush in my barrels anymore.  Today's solvents seem to well enough to probably eliminate most needs for brushing besides chamber cleaning.   One solution for Jags is to use the coated Jags from Tipton.   They have a set of Ultra Jags that are coated with a nickel plating to prevent the copper solvent from etching away the jags themselves.  Tipton Ultra Jags   You can buy them as a kit as well rather than one at a time.

For a good copper solvent there is really only one that is outstanding...KG12.   That one is by far the best at eliminating copper fouling.  It is also a regular solvent so you can use it for general cleaning as well.   KG12 is water based and ammonia free so is completely non hazardous to you or your gun.

I will say however this is some discussion on how much or how often to remove copper fouling from the barrel.  There are reports of accuracy going down after copper cleaning until a few shots have been fired through the barrel again.  Some suggest a little copper fouling in the barrel is actually a good thing.   Too much however it just that...Too much.

Some of the suggestions in the above posts mention cleaning solutions to do not even touch the copper.  Alcohol!  Really!!  Not sure what they were reading or thinking.  lol   CLP nor Odorless Mineral Spirits will touch copper fouling either.  Another solution is the foaming bore cleaning products mentioned.  They seem to have developed quite a following lately.  Many of the foaming products also include a copper remover too making them a good choice for one step bore cleaning.

Just some ideas.


i was searching for copper solvents on amazon and saw it listed as hoppe's m pro7. maybe its a typo or something
http://www.amazon.com/Hoppes-M-Pro-Remover-Solvent-4-Ounce/dp/B002KEPX2E/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1366226215&sr=1-1&keywords=copper+solvent

that kg12 looks like some strong stuff
http://www.coretacsolutions.com/products_KG_KG12_TEST.htm
you say its non hazardous to the gun, but im guessing its still recommended to remove it quickly as possible from the barrel?
i better save up, that stuff looks to be twice as much per oz as the mpro7
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