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Posted: 11/25/2010 4:43:48 AM EDT
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Just ordered a 20" rifle kit from delton to go with my bushmaster lower. I intend to put a A1 trangular handguard on it when it arrives. The sales rep told me it was an easy change, "just pull down the ring, removed the round, and insert the triangular"––-something about this seems wrong. How will a triangular nose fit into a round front mounting?? I am afraid he told me wrong and I will have to return or disassemble my new upper to replace the front piece with something triangular.
oh––-and another question....am I a dork running a A2 upper and triangular guards?? I am doing it either way, but it would be nice to know when people are laughing if they are laughing at me or something else at the range. |
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Just ordered a 20" rifle kit from delton to go with my bushmaster lower. I intend to put a A1 trangular handguard on it when it arrives. The sales rep told me it was an easy change, "just pull down the ring, removed the round, and insert the triangular"––-something about this seems wrong. How will a triangular nose fit into a round front mounting?? I am afraid he told me wrong and I will have to return or disassemble my new upper to replace the front piece with something triangular. oh––-and another question....am I a dork running a A2 upper and triangular guards?? I am doing it either way, but it would be nice to know when people are laughing if they are laughing at me or something else at the range. welcome to retroland the vast majority of rifles come with a triangular front handguard cap (I've never seen a rifle with a round front cap)....so yes the handguards are interchangeable between triangular and round on a rifle equipped with a triangular front cap and yes an A2 with triangular HG's will look slightly wonky...but run what you like 
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In the end you will find that the triangular handguards are simply the first step toward building an entire retro rifle. Funny you mention that...added NoDak to my favorites this morning. Thought REAL hard about one of the Colt original uppers out there before pulling the trigger on the Del-Ton kit. Alas––-I likely wont be able to stop at one weapon any more than I could stop at owning ONE Harley. |
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In the end you will find that the triangular handguards are simply the first step toward building an entire retro rifle. This is what happened to me. I had a Bushy A4 HBAR with triangular hand guards...Now that set is on an A1 retro rifle...And another set is on another retro rifle... @ hotrodneb - Feel free to do it! More than likely, most people won't know the difference. The ring may take an extra hand to hold back, it's a bit stiff. Once you get the A2's off, start by getting one side of the A1's all the way in and then work on the other, DON'T try to get both halves on at once, they seem to fit a bit tighter than the A2s. ETA: Just don't break the A1's
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In the end you will find that the triangular handguards are simply the first step toward building an entire retro rifle. This is what happened to me. I had a Bushy A4 HBAR with triangular hand guards...Now that set is on an A1 retro rifle...And another set is on another retro rifle... @ hotrodneb - Feel free to do it! More than likely, most people won't know the difference. The ring may take an extra hand to hold back, it's a bit stiff. Once you get the A2's off, start by getting one side of the A1's all the way in and then work on the other, DON'T try to get both halves on at once, they seem to fit a bit tighter than the A2s. ETA: Just don't break the A1's But if you do break the A1s, I have more! |
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In the end you will find that the triangular handguards are simply the first step toward building an entire retro rifle. How true. Back when I first decided I wanted to have a 20" I ordered a barrel assembly from CMMG. On a whim, since I saw they offered them then, I ordered it with the three prong FH and triangular handguards, and the assembled effort just seemed a little "funny": 
That led to my first migration to this forum, and the rifle was "healed": 
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| Should be good to go. You may have to open up the half circles on the HG's at the triangle cap depending on barrel profile but no big deal. Easy to check when installing HG if it wont fit around barrel. Handguards .625in, some barrels .750in. Dremel, file, etc. Won't be able to see mod in triangle cap. Wouldn't worry about the look and what others think as much as the shoot. You're in America so you are free to do what you want. You will develop your own feel, and as stated with HD, once you get the bug you will probably end up with one of every flavor and then probably a couple of different calibers. Some prefer the A-1 HG's, gives you a little more style adjustability usually depending on hand size. These rifles are as fun to shoot as a HD is to ride. Personally I use both HG's. I like the tightness of the A-2, the A-1 looks better and fits my shooting style a little better. |
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Should be good to go. You may have to open up the half circles on the HG's at the triangle cap depending on barrel profile but no big deal. Easy to check when installing HG if it wont fit around barrel. Handguards .625in, some barrels .750in. Dremel, file, etc. Won't be able to see mod in triangle cap. Wouldn't worry about the look and what others think as much as the shoot. You're in America so you are free to do what you want. You will develop your own feel, and as stated with HD, once you get the bug you will probably end up with one of every flavor and then probably a couple of different calibers. Some prefer the A-1 HG's, gives you a little more style adjustability usually depending on hand size. These rifles are as fun to shoot as a HD is to ride. Personally I use both HG's. I like the tightness of the A-2, the A-1 looks better and fits my shooting style a little better. this won't happen..triangular handguards easily fit on 606's which use a heavy barrel 
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...am I a dork running a A2 upper and triangular guards?? I am doing it either way, but it would be nice to know when people are laughing if they are laughing at me or something else at the range. no way. the triagle handguards are the best AR/M16 grips ever. i slapped a old set of leftovers on my army issue m16-a2. only put the round ones on for parades and crap like that. it was good to be the armourer and have the commander on your side :) im not sure why people like rails, round guards, and free floats they look retarded and arent comfy. |
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Should be good to go. You may have to open up the half circles on the HG's at the triangle cap depending on barrel profile but no big deal. Easy to check when installing HG if it wont fit around barrel. Handguards .625in, some barrels .750in. Dremel, file, etc. Won't be able to see mod in triangle cap. Wouldn't worry about the look and what others think as much as the shoot. You're in America so you are free to do what you want. You will develop your own feel, and as stated with HD, once you get the bug you will probably end up with one of every flavor and then probably a couple of different calibers. Some prefer the A-1 HG's, gives you a little more style adjustability usually depending on hand size. These rifles are as fun to shoot as a HD is to ride. Personally I use both HG's. I like the tightness of the A-2, the A-1 looks better and fits my shooting style a little better. this won't happen..triangular handguards easily fit on 606's which use a heavy barrel http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/IMG_1734-1.jpg I just make a swipe with a dremel.. Its easy.... That bipod amazes me 
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In the end you will find that the triangular handguards are simply the first step toward building an entire retro rifle. How true. Back when I first decided I wanted to have a 20" I ordered a barrel assembly from CMMG. On a whim, since I saw they offered them then, I ordered it with the three prong FH and triangular handguards, and the assembled effort just seemed a little "funny": http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/MMcfpd/pseudo_retro.jpg That led to my first migration to this forum, and the rifle was "healed": http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/MMcfpd/604_done.jpg Both of those rifles look just fine to me. For some reason, A1 hand guards on an A2 with an A1 profile barrel look normal...But would look totally wrong on a rifle with an A2 or HBAR barrel... 
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In the end you will find that the triangular handguards are simply the first step toward building an entire retro rifle. How true. Back when I first decided I wanted to have a 20" I ordered a barrel assembly from CMMG. On a whim, since I saw they offered them then, I ordered it with the three prong FH and triangular handguards, and the assembled effort just seemed a little "funny": http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/MMcfpd/pseudo_retro.jpg That led to my first migration to this forum, and the rifle was "healed": http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s95/MMcfpd/604_done.jpg Both of those rifles look just fine to me. For some reason, A1 hand guards on an A2 with an A1 profile barrel look normal...But would look totally wrong on a rifle with an A2 or HBAR barrel... triangular HG's an an HBAR would look like this 
of course I think triangular HG's look a little weird with a delta instead of a flat slipring 
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triangular HG's an an HBAR would look like this http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5751/model606lightmachineguntf5.jpg Oh, I know, but that's different since it has the A1 upper and all. of course I think triangular HG's look a little weird with a delta instead of a flat slipring http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/IMG_0095-2-2.jpg Meh, doesn't bother me so much, since the flat sliprings are a PITA to deal with. |
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Hey Cracked,
I've never had a set of A-1 HG's that would fit my low tier HBAR without slight modification. Never took a caliper to it but I'm guessing at least .750. Had a problem a few years back and got the fix here on retro. Was one of my first trips to retroland and was a little leery of the dremel on my HG's, but that was the advice I was given. Was a very nice set of 602's also. Wish I knew then what I know now but they weren't hard to find back then. |
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See I had no trouble getting some NIW A1 drainhole handguards on my HBAR barrel from Bushy, and it's .750 or maybe larger up at the front cap...
I wonder if: 1. Some HBARs are larger than .750 at the cap 2. Some handguards run tight Or... 3. At some point in the design and development of HBAR / A2 / Gov't profile barrel rifles, the specification for the A1 handguards was changed to allow commonality between all rifles? |
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... since the flat sliprings are a PITA to deal with. Small price for being retro... 
...& how many times do you have to deal with the slip ring anyways when assembling a rifle, ONCE, so it is a non-issue in my book. Unless you get the rifle rained on or something and want to get the hand-guards off... Didn't the army manual instruct the troops to remove the hand-guards each time they cleaned the rifle? |
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... since the flat sliprings are a PITA to deal with. Small price for being retro...
...& how many times do you have to deal with the slip ring anyways when assembling a rifle, ONCE, so it is a non-issue in my book. Unless you get the rifle rained on or something and want to get the hand-guards off... Didn't the army manual instruct the troops to remove the hand-guards each time they cleaned the rifle? I'm not in the Army & don't shoot my Retros in the rain (I have other AR's to shoot in inclement weather), so it is still a non-issue in my book.
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I'm not in the Army & don't shoot my Retros in the rain (I have other AR's to shoot in inclement weather), so it is still a non-issue in my book. So you play favorites eh?
Well, I have an A2 retro rifle (Yhea I said it, come and get me!) that I shoot in super crappy weather. Some days I don't care if it's raining, I just want to go shooting, so I'll grab my A2 and go. When I get home, if the rifle's been out in poor weather, the handguards come off, I wipe the moisture off, pull the bolt group apart, and blast it all down with some kind of water displacing aerosol, be it WD40, remoil, Hoppes 'Field Cleaner', whatever. Just curious what kind of rifles you use for poor weather? |
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OK––I thought I started with a simple question, but that doesn't seem to be the case. With this thread I have learned however;
1- I can do whatever I want with my gun because it's MY gun. 2- It isnt my gun, it's my weapon. Guns are used for fun. 3- I want a flat ring but a delta ring is OK too (see #1) 4- There are more opinions on how to put an AR together than WAYS to put them together ––––––I think I'm going to like this place |
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OK––I thought I started with a simple question, but that doesn't seem to be the case. With this thread I have learned however; 1- I can do whatever I want with my gun because it's MY gun. 2- It isnt my gun, it's my weapon. Guns are used for fun. 3- I want a flat ring but a delta ring is OK too (see #1) 4- There are more opinions on how to put an AR together than WAYS to put them together ––––––I think I'm going to like this place I have no doubt you will like it & forgive my rudeness, welcome to AR15.com & more importantly the Retro Forum.
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OK––I thought I started with a simple question, but that doesn't seem to be the case. With this thread I have learned however; 1- I can do whatever I want with my gun because it's MY gun. 2- It isnt my gun, it's my weapon. Guns are used for fun. 3- I want a flat ring but a delta ring is OK too (see #1) 4- There are more opinions on how to put an AR together than WAYS to put them together ––––––I think I'm going to like this place Welcome to the retro forum! 
I still suggest building another rifle to put those hand-guards on...Hehe, it's the retro way! There is no such thing as spare parts, only rifles waiting to happen!
(No, seriously, IIRC somebody here built a rifle to go with a firing pin he had...) Quoted:
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Just curious what kind of rifles you use for poor weather? A2 
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