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6/8/2010 10:36:33 AM EDT
ok i have an ar that i put together. it has 20 different brands of parts on it.

stag barrel
cardinal forge upper
CMMG lower
RRA BCG
VLTOR stock milspec buffer tube
standard buffer

ok this is the first AR ive had problems with. When i use my suppressor, it functions flawlessly. However when i take it off, it is a single shot gun. The bolt comes back, ejects the spent case, and gets stuck when it tries to pick up a new bullet. I then have to smack the stock on something to get the bolt to release to chamber the round. i swapped the BCG  with another spare i have and it still messed up.


any ideas?? im lost
6/8/2010 10:39:33 AM EDT
[#1]
Quoted:
ok i have an ar that i put together. it has 20 different brands of parts on it.

stag barrel
cardinal forge upper
CMMG lower
RRA BCG
VLTOR stock milspec buffer tube
standard buffer

ok this is the first AR ive had problems with. When i use my suppressor, it functions flawlessly. However when i take it off, it is a single shot gun. The bolt comes back, ejects the spent case, and gets stuck when it tries to pick up a new bullet. I then have to smack the stock on something to get the bolt to release to chamber the round. i swapped the BCG  with another spare i have and it still messed up.


any ideas?? im lost


You just explained the problem yourself.
6/8/2010 10:42:44 AM EDT
[#2]
oh i didnt know all of the parts had to match

ive seen plenty of frankenAR's on here that function perfectly.
6/8/2010 10:44:11 AM EDT
[#3]
I'm no expert, but it sounds like it's not getting enough gas to completely cycle.  It sounds like the suppressor provides enough back pressure to overcome the problem.  These are the things I'd check,

1 make sure gas block is over the hole in the barrel
2 make sure the gas tube isn't plugged up or something
3 make sure that it's not running dry, causing it to shortstroke.  Put some oil on it and run it wet.
4 make sure you have the right spring and buffer for your length of barrel/gas system
5 make sure your buffer tube isn't bent or dented
6 make sure your LPK isn't dragging too much on your BCG

It should cylce really easy and smoothly when you cycle it by hand.  If you hear a bad scraping sound, that part's probably your culprit.

I'm sure someone else will come along with better answers.  Just thinking out loud.

Mutt
6/8/2010 10:45:03 AM EDT
[#4]
Sounds like you're undergassed when running un-suppressed.



Things to check:



Gas Port/Block Alignment

Gas Port Size

Gas Key Tight (staking)

Gas Rings



(stupid question, carbine spring, in a carbine stock right? I HAVE seen someone put a rifle spring in a carbine...)
6/8/2010 10:47:36 AM EDT
[#5]
Sounds like a gas problem check the gas block or FSB,check gas tube,check carrier key staking.
6/8/2010 10:53:48 AM EDT
[#6]
I am sorry I was being a smart ass not all the parts need to match. Check your buffer the size of the gas hole. and what the above posters said. It should be an easy fix.
6/9/2010 12:22:21 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Quoted:
ok i have an ar that i put together. it has 20 different brands of parts on it.

stag barrel
cardinal forge upper
CMMG lower
RRA BCG
VLTOR stock milspec buffer tube
standard buffer

ok this is the first AR ive had problems with. When i use my suppressor, it functions flawlessly. However when i take it off, it is a single shot gun. The bolt comes back, ejects the spent case, and gets stuck when it tries to pick up a new bullet. I then have to smack the stock on something to get the bolt to release to chamber the round. i swapped the BCG  with another spare i have and it still messed up.


any ideas?? im lost


You just explained the problem yourself.


there's nothing wrong with multiple part custom builds.  The only issue is when assembling.  I would check the buffer weight, from what i'm understanding, it might be that your buffer is too light since when you take off the suppressor it doesn't work.  But it could be the complete opposite, i would try running with a heavier buffer, if you're running an carbine buffer, then try H, if running an H, i would atleast try an H2.  from there report back and let us know.

6/9/2010 2:53:59 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Sounds like you're undergassed when running un-suppressed.

Things to check:

Gas Port/Block Alignment
Gas Port Size
Gas Key Tight (staking)
Gas Rings

(stupid question, carbine spring, in a carbine stock right? I HAVE seen someone put a rifle spring in a carbine...)


the above is the answer, and for this "I have an ar that i put together. it has 20 different brands of parts on it." Congratulations, sounds like you did a great job and had fun while building your own rifle. Parts DO NOT have to match, unless your a little kid and like them that way, for some unknown silly reason....<><....:)


6/21/2010 6:54:56 AM EDT
[#9]
UPDATE


i swapped lowers with another AR i have and it functions great!

is my buffer tube bent?
6/21/2010 6:58:32 AM EDT
[#10]



Quoted:


UPDATE





i swapped lowers with another AR i have and it functions great!



is my buffer tube bent?


Did you use the same: magazine, ammunition, bolt carrier and bolt?



 
6/22/2010 9:25:55 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:

Quoted:
UPDATE


i swapped lowers with another AR i have and it functions great!

is my buffer tube bent?

Did you use the same: magazine, ammunition, bolt carrier and bolt?
 


everything  except the mag.... i have Pmags that i am using for this situation.
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