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Posted: 1/11/2008 6:18:26 AM EDT
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I am getting a new upper and have narrowed it down to 1. POF P-415, (P-415-14-P9SX-CF-223)14.5 w/ perm. attached Primary Weapons FSC556 Flash Suppressing Compensator. or 2. CMMG 14.5 lightweight barrel Daniel Defense receiver w/ VLTOR CASV-EL Free-float Handguard and the ARES DEFENSE DROP IN GAS PISTON KITS and perm. attached Primary Weapons FSC556 Flash Suppressing Compensator. The cost is very close to equal I want a light weight upper that will shoot any ammo all the time. easy to clean and can be used w/ a suppressor. Thanks for the opinions |
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It sounds like you know what you want. I dont have the Primary Weapons piston but it looks like a nice design My Dad has had good luck with teh ARES drop in piston. I have had nothing but good performance from my 2 POFs and my LWRC M6A2. No issues to report. They shoot striahgt and reliable with any ammo. |
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OK how are you attaching a suppressor to the FSC556 Flash Suppressing Compensator? I would think you would be better off with a comp or flash hider that worked with a specific QD suppressor. Something like Surefire, Ops Inc, or AAC. Any reason you are not looking at LWRC for a piston? |
I would have to disagree with that. I have seen quite a number of people report various failures with the ARES. While you may not have had any issues, others have. |
Where is the "quite a number of people" you're referring to? Because, we stand behind all of our products 100%. While there was a small (early production) batch of Gen. 1 kits that experienced some issues, those were addressed with the Gen. 2 upgrades. We've stated that anyone experiencing any kind of problem with their Gen. 1 kits could contact us for a FREE upgrade to Gen. 2. That offer is still valid... So DevL, have you ever personally tried a GSR-35 or are you just on a smear campaign? If you have, then you should either be very pleased with your purchase or you should contact us for a remedy. Again, we stand behind our products 100%...so you really don't have any risk, do you? If you're uninformed or ill-informed, I'll try to help you out. The GSR-35 conversion process takes about 15 minutes the first time you do it and about 10 minutes thereafter. It is rearward-compatible with just about any factory carbine dating back to the mid-1960's Vietnam era XM177E2. http://www.aresdefense.com/GSR-35/GSR-001.jpg The GSR-35 kit includes everything necessary for the conversion including our high performance bolt carrier with integral impact key (yes, it REALLY is necessary that it be of one-piece construction) and a set of M4 type handguards. http://www.aresdefense.com/images/GSR35-Omega001.JPG We're offering optional MIL-STD-1913 rail handguards if the M4 type isn't your cup of tea. The process is also completely reversible so that you can reinstall the kit in your new carbine if you ever decide to sell the old one. So again, where is the risk? In fact, I don't know of any company besides Ares Defense that is offering a "drop-in" gas-piston conversion for your AR15 for less than $400 bucks retail and gives you 2 weeks to try it out, FREE! Nobody in the gun business does that, but we're that confident in our product. Our policy is that if you try it and for any reason you don't like it, you simply send it back within 2 weeks for a no-hassle 100% refund. Period. -And for orders received by January 31, 2008 we're also paying the shipping charges to the customer. If installation is a concern for you, we'll perform the installation into your upper for FREE. All you'll have to do is pay round-trip shipping charges for your upper. If I haven't addressed your concerns about our product, then I invite you to contact me directly at (540) 267-4272 and I'll be happy to discuss it further. |
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I have a Gen I kit with quite a few thousand rounds through it without a hitch. Ares has offered to replace it anyway just to be on the safe side. The new ones are redesigned to operate at lower pressures. Anyway, for what it's worth, I like my kit and am very happy with it. For $400 you can't beat it considering I believe the next ones run $1300+ on the uppers alone. RR |
Since I can't seem to contact you via email. I will ask you here. Will the Ares work with the 6.8mm? Namely a Bushmaster 6.8 14.5" |
Yes, it will. We covered the 6.8 question in another thread here on arfcom. www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=356426 |
When I was considering your product is when the Gen I units had the problems which is why I did not buy it. If that has been resolved then I guess you could say I am "uninformed" as I had not kept up after I lost interest initially. |
The FSC556 was made as a mounting solution for the GemTech HALO - so it is a suppressor mount. After SHOT show - we will have the bi-lock version as well that will work with the GemTech G5 as well as the M4-96D. Hope this helps. Todd |
Is that $400 for the kit with M4 handguards? If so, how much more is the kit with the DD Omega rail? I'm interested in this kit for my 6920 upper, regardless of what the cretins are saying and I was already planning on ordering an Omega rail anyway. |
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I am going w/ the CMMG 14.5 lightweight barrel Daniel Defense receiver w/ VLTOR CASV-EL Free-float Handguard and the ARES DEFENSE DROP IN GAS PISTON KITS and perm. attached Primary Weapons FSC556 Flash Suppressing Compensator. I enjoy building it myself and like the flexibility to change to the regular simple gas system if I choose. All the parts are also compatible w/ my other AR. |
What's your point? Are you saying LWRC has never had any issues? If so, you are sadly mistaken. I've seen several guys on this forum (and others) post about rifles & conversions with issues. Many of them had to go back for repairs. |
| Ares fixed problems inherent to the design, LWRC had a bad batch of barrels... completely different. Since Ares has fixed their issues I will start looking more closely at them again as I have a freidn who cannot afford a LWRC conversion and is considering a piston. |
You must have a short memory. I’ve seen numerous posts about LWRC, POF, and Ares reliability & QC issues. You’ve even posted in many of these threads – including the ones from LWRC owners. Many of them had nothing to do with barrel issues, but I remember that one also. I’ve seen the same type of threads from POF & Ares owners so it is not particular to LWRC. This seems very common from the new rash of gas piston AR manufacturers. |
| There was only two other failures I remember. One broken bolt and one broken pin. The pins ar enow a different material and construction and staked, the bolt was simply a bad bolt. There have not been any reported LWRC issues for quite some time. Since they are making cold hammer forged polygonally rifled, proof tested, barrels now the barrel issue shoul dbe a thing of the past as well and the new chambers should increase reliability even further. |
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The DI guns are 30 years further along the enginerring cycle than the Piston guns. POF and LWRC are the way to go. ARES is the way to go if you can only spend $400.00 on the upper. If Ares wants to send me a kit, I'll put in on a DI upper and run it on my M16 a nd the Houston Crew can have a go at it at our various shoots . . . . . and see how it holds up. I won't be holding my breath for a test unit though. |
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I've now put thousands of rounds down range from my LWRC M6A2 10.5" SBR. It has run 100% since the day I got it. Runs clean and cool, even with the suppressor (Surefire FA556K). I'm saving for another LWRC upper, and Surefire can in 6.8. I totally recommend the LWRC.  
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