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Posted: 7/13/2014 4:32:34 PM EDT
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hi i just bought an MPC,im also an bushmaster owner too (maine bushmaster) i put on a LaRue A.P.E.G. pistol grip on the MPC ,i am like wow im impressed the WW did live up to their hype. i have seen good reviews the last couple months of them so i went ahead and bought one. i have a few questions- do they make their bolt extractor out of tool steel ? |
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Ok, I just found it. Page 3 of the "Testimonials" sticky on the WW Industry Forum. Here is a quick copy/paste:
Here is a list of our tech data. Please let me know if you have any questions: Barrel steel: 4150 chrome moly vanadium MIL-B-11595E; Q&T 286 / 327 BHN; STR & STRESS RELIEVED. Barrel steel MP tested. Bores are chrome lined Bolts: Material is MP tested. Bolts shot peened. Carpenter 158 Steel. Bolt carriers: properly staked and chrome lined. Mil-spec AISA 8620 cold drawn steel. Upper and lower receivers: Forged 7075 T6 aircraft aluminum Trigger guards: Aluminum Finish: Hard coat black anodize on receivers, black phosphate on barrels and steel parts. Tele stock buffer tubes commercial spec: 6061-T6 Stainless Steel Barrels: 416 R Stainless Hardness: Rc 26-32 Extractors: 4140 gun quality annealed cold drawn stress relieved BHN187/229 per the print |
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I don't know what WW is smoking. There's no such thing as MIL-B-11595E 4150 Chrome Moly Vanadium steel. They should not post misinformation in the Industry Forum or on their website. Quoted:
Barrel steel: 4150 chrome moly vanadium MIL-B-11595E I don't know what WW is smoking. There's no such thing as MIL-B-11595E 4150 Chrome Moly Vanadium steel. They should not post misinformation in the Industry Forum or on their website. Correct. It's either 4150 or CMV As for MIL-B-11595E; this is a certification of specification of 4150, 4150 Resulferized, or Chrome Moly Vandium (CMV) It would indeed be nice if they were to specify which steel it is (4150 OR CMV) and if it is indeed independently MIL-B-11595E certified. |
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I don't know what WW is smoking. There's no such thing as MIL-B-11595E 4150 Chrome Moly Vanadium steel. They should not post misinformation in the Industry Forum or on their website. Quoted:
Barrel steel: 4150 chrome moly vanadium MIL-B-11595E I don't know what WW is smoking. There's no such thing as MIL-B-11595E 4150 Chrome Moly Vanadium steel. They should not post misinformation in the Industry Forum or on their website. bottom of page 4 is 4150 chrome moly, is there something I am missing? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81144293/MIL-B-11595E_AMENDMENT-1.PDF |
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bottom of page 4 is 4150 chrome moly, is there something I am missing? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81144293/MIL-B-11595E_AMENDMENT-1.PDF Quoted:
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Barrel steel: 4150 chrome moly vanadium MIL-B-11595E I don't know what WW is smoking. There's no such thing as MIL-B-11595E 4150 Chrome Moly Vanadium steel. They should not post misinformation in the Industry Forum or on their website. bottom of page 4 is 4150 chrome moly, is there something I am missing? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81144293/MIL-B-11595E_AMENDMENT-1.PDF The bottom of page 4 states "ORD 4150 AND chrome-moly-vanadium. Two separate steel compositions. |
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I guess Bravo Co. has it wrong also...
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-M4-Barrel-Stripped-p/bcm-brl-s-m4%2016%20std.htm |
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Ok guys...I'll state this one more time
MIL-B-11595E is not a type of steel. It is a specification standard that the military uses for barrel steel on M16 family rifles. BCM does not state that the steel is MIL-B-11595E...they state that the steel is CMV (Chrome-Moly-Vandium) and it COMPLIES with MIL-B-11595E specifications and composition requirements, and is certified as such. The only 3 types of steel that can comply with MIL-B-11595E (and in turn, be "Mil-Spec) are: ORD 4150 ORD 4150 Resulfurized Chrome-Moly-Vandium (CMV) So, in closing; No. BCM got nothing wrong. Also, the point with WW, is that they need to specify, specifically which steel (either ORD 4150 or CMV) they use that is certified in compliance with MIL-B-11595E. |
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Ok guys...I'll state this one more time MIL-B-11595E is not a type of steel. It is a specification standard that the military uses for barrel steel on M16 family rifles. BCM does not state that the steel is MIL-B-11595E...they state that the steel is CMV (Chrome-Moly-Vandium) and it COMPLIES with MIL-B-11595E specifications and composition requirements, and is certified as such. The only 3 types of steel that can comply with MIL-B-11595E (and in turn, be "Mil-Spec) are: ORD 4150 ORD 4150 Resulfurized Chrome-Moly-Vandium (CMV) So, in closing; No. BCM got nothing wrong. Also, the point with WW, is that they need to specify, specifically which steel (either ORD 4150 or CMV) they use that is certified in compliance with MIL-B-11595E. Thanks for posting, I stand corrected. Congrats on the new WW OP! |
| Windham Weaponry uses a modified 4150 Vanadium steel, better known as MIL-B-11595E CMV. Some manufactures call this “4150Mod”. Our barrel steel is not plain “4150”. Described better, it is a CrMoV steel based on the composition of 4150. The addition of Vanadium to the composition greatly increases the impact strength of the steel. Vanadium is used for grain refinement and the enhancement of mechanical properties. The material we use is identical to the material that the military and most other high end manufactures use. |
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Good luck with your new Windham Weaponry MPC.
I bought my MPC last year and have put over a thousand rounds of both brass and Russian steel ammo through the rifle. ( It ate the Russian ammo like candy) It has been 100% reliable and very accurate. Plus Windham Weaponry has great customer service. John |
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Windham Weaponry uses a modified 4150 Vanadium steel, better known as MIL-B-11595E CMV. Some manufactures call this “4150Mod”. Our barrel steel is not plain “4150”. Described better, it is a CrMoV steel based on the composition of 4150. The addition of Vanadium to the composition greatly increases the impact strength of the steel. Vanadium is used for grain refinement and the enhancement of mechanical properties. The material we use is identical to the material that the military and most other high end manufactures use. Bam! Erik is the man! Seriously, Windham's CS is at the top of the industry. Thanks for the clarification Erik 
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I own two WW and will soon own a third. I just hope they stay affordable as they are until the rest of the brain dead Colt addicts realize that WW is the best AR on the market today.
I love the story of this company also, a Korea war combat vet who had a vision, assembled a great team, then sold a smooth running operation upon retirement. After seeing how his people were having to move if they wanted to keep their jobs, he started a new company that is benefitting all of his old team, and all of us AR guys. Doing all of this when most others would only be worried about their golf handicap. WW sets the standard in more ways than just their fine firearms! I do have one complaint: Get rid of the @#$% M4 barrel on the new polymer gun! Make it a pencil weight so it is a true lightweight! I'll buy the first one! |
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I own two WW and will soon own a third. I just hope they stay affordable as they are until the rest of the brain dead Colt addicts realize that WW is the best AR on the market today. I love the story of this company also, a Korea war combat vet who had a vision, assembled a great team, then sold a smooth running operation upon retirement. After seeing how his people were having to move if they wanted to keep their jobs, he started a new company that is benefitting all of his old team, and all of us AR guys. Doing all of this when most others would only be worried about their golf handicap. WW sets the standard in more ways than just their fine firearms! I do have one complaint: Get rid of the @#$% M4 barrel on the new polymer gun! Make it a pencil weight so it is a true lightweight! I'll buy the first one! Your going to make a bold claim that WW rifes "are the best AR on the market"... You have no idea what your talking about, if you knew anything about WW guns you would know they use some substandard parts here and there and although IMO a "good" AR, they are FAR from even in the conversation with the best. Also... For you to even mention the "polymer" guns shows your lack of knowledge. These guns are not ment to be constructed of substandard material. |
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Your going to make a bold claim that WW rifes "are the best AR on the market"... You have no idea what your talking about, if you knew anything about WW guns you would know they use some substandard parts here and there and although IMO a "good" AR, they are FAR from even in the conversation with the best. Also... For you to even mention the "polymer" guns shows your lack of knowledge. These guns are not ment to be constructed of substandard material. Quoted:
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I own two WW and will soon own a third. I just hope they stay affordable as they are until the rest of the brain dead Colt addicts realize that WW is the best AR on the market today. I love the story of this company also, a Korea war combat vet who had a vision, assembled a great team, then sold a smooth running operation upon retirement. After seeing how his people were having to move if they wanted to keep their jobs, he started a new company that is benefitting all of his old team, and all of us AR guys. Doing all of this when most others would only be worried about their golf handicap. WW sets the standard in more ways than just their fine firearms! I do have one complaint: Get rid of the @#$% M4 barrel on the new polymer gun! Make it a pencil weight so it is a true lightweight! I'll buy the first one! Your going to make a bold claim that WW rifes "are the best AR on the market"... You have no idea what your talking about, if you knew anything about WW guns you would know they use some substandard parts here and there and although IMO a "good" AR, they are FAR from even in the conversation with the best. Also... For you to even mention the "polymer" guns shows your lack of knowledge. These guns are not ment to be constructed of substandard material. Thanks for the correction. I retract my previous comments as I have obviously been schooled by someone far wiser than I... Get a life pal. I am entitled to my opinion, based on 40 years of shooting, studying, and collecting. I carried every variant of the M-16 and M4 that we have fielded. I have owned, shot, studied and collected most of the commercial AR-15s manufactured in the last 30 years. I stand by my earlier comments. As to the lightweight rifles being made by WW, I would remind you that plenty of people thought aluminum was a substandard material for a rifle when the AR was first developed. Hands down, WW is the best mass manufactured AR sold today, especially for the price. So tell me oracle of the AR, what parts of a WW rifle are sub-standard? |
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Your going to make a bold claim that WW rifes "are the best AR on the market"... You have no idea what your talking about, if you knew anything about WW guns you would know they use some substandard parts here and there and although IMO a "good" AR, they are FAR from even in the conversation with the best. Also... For you to even mention the "polymer" guns shows your lack of knowledge. These guns are not ment to be constructed of substandard material. Quoted:
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I own two WW and will soon own a third. I just hope they stay affordable as they are until the rest of the brain dead Colt addicts realize that WW is the best AR on the market today. I love the story of this company also, a Korea war combat vet who had a vision, assembled a great team, then sold a smooth running operation upon retirement. After seeing how his people were having to move if they wanted to keep their jobs, he started a new company that is benefitting all of his old team, and all of us AR guys. Doing all of this when most others would only be worried about their golf handicap. WW sets the standard in more ways than just their fine firearms! I do have one complaint: Get rid of the @#$% M4 barrel on the new polymer gun! Make it a pencil weight so it is a true lightweight! I'll buy the first one! Your going to make a bold claim that WW rifes "are the best AR on the market"... You have no idea what your talking about, if you knew anything about WW guns you would know they use some substandard parts here and there and although IMO a "good" AR, they are FAR from even in the conversation with the best. Also... For you to even mention the "polymer" guns shows your lack of knowledge. These guns are not ment to be constructed of substandard material. Thanks for the correction. I retract my previous comments as I have obviously been schooled by someone far wiser than I... Get a life pal. I am entitled to my opinion, based on 40 years of shooting, studying, and collecting. I carried every variant of the M-16 and M4 that we have fielded. I have owned, shot, studied and collected most of the commercial AR-15s manufactured in the last 30 years. I stand by my earlier comments. As to the lightweight rifles being made by WW, I would remind you that plenty of people thought aluminum was a substandard material for a rifle when the AR was first developed. Hands down, WW is the best mass manufactured AR sold today, especially for the price. So tell me, Oracle of the AR, what parts of a WW rifle are sub-standard? |
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Quoted: Thanks for the correction. I retract my previous comments as I have obviously been schooled by someone far wiser than I... Get a life pal. I am entitled to my opinion, based on 40 years of shooting, studying, and collecting. I carried every variant of the M-16 and M4 that we have fielded. I have owned, shot, studied and collected most of the commercial AR-15s manufactured in the last 30 years. I stand by my earlier comments. As to the lightweight rifles being made by WW, I would remind you that plenty of people thought aluminum was a substandard material for a rifle when the AR was first developed. Hands down, WW is the best mass manufactured AR sold today, especially for the price. So tell me, Oracle of the AR, what parts of a WW rifle are sub-standard? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I own two WW and will soon own a third. I just hope they stay affordable as they are until the rest of the brain dead Colt addicts realize that WW is the best AR on the market today. I love the story of this company also, a Korea war combat vet who had a vision, assembled a great team, then sold a smooth running operation upon retirement. After seeing how his people were having to move if they wanted to keep their jobs, he started a new company that is benefitting all of his old team, and all of us AR guys. Doing all of this when most others would only be worried about their golf handicap. WW sets the standard in more ways than just their fine firearms! I do have one complaint: Get rid of the @#$% M4 barrel on the new polymer gun! Make it a pencil weight so it is a true lightweight! I'll buy the first one! Your going to make a bold claim that WW rifes "are the best AR on the market"... You have no idea what your talking about, if you knew anything about WW guns you would know they use some substandard parts here and there and although IMO a "good" AR, they are FAR from even in the conversation with the best. Also... For you to even mention the "polymer" guns shows your lack of knowledge. These guns are not ment to be constructed of substandard material. Thanks for the correction. I retract my previous comments as I have obviously been schooled by someone far wiser than I... Get a life pal. I am entitled to my opinion, based on 40 years of shooting, studying, and collecting. I carried every variant of the M-16 and M4 that we have fielded. I have owned, shot, studied and collected most of the commercial AR-15s manufactured in the last 30 years. I stand by my earlier comments. As to the lightweight rifles being made by WW, I would remind you that plenty of people thought aluminum was a substandard material for a rifle when the AR was first developed. Hands down, WW is the best mass manufactured AR sold today, especially for the price. So tell me, Oracle of the AR, what parts of a WW rifle are sub-standard? Edit: For all I know they could have the best customer service? Don't own one don't know. Good day
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