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Posted: 4/21/2009 7:06:57 PM EDT
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My son has a stainless barreled AR that was fired around 8 months ago using wolf steel cased ammo, it was not cleaned before putting it into the safe.
The A2 flash-hider gave away when I looked into the safe it was a rusty mess. After scrubbing the barrel with sweets 7.62 cleaner it was ok but what a mess, I think non-corrosive is not an accurate description for this ammo. anyone else had this type of experience? J |
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Quoted: dont mean to be rude but maybe he should have cleaned the gun before he racked it. why take the chance of damaging a barrel when it only takes an little bit to clean it up. My son has a stainless barreled AR that was fired around 8 months ago using wolf steel cased ammo, it was not cleaned before putting it into the safe. The A2 flash-hider gave away when I looked into the safe it was a rusty mess. After scrubbing the barrel with sweets 7.62 cleaner it was ok but what a mess, I think non-corrosive is not an accurate description for this ammo. anyone else had this type of experience? J |
| I use wolf all the time but then again my ARs are chromelined field rifles and even at that I dont leave my weapons un cleaned for 8 months.Rust can form under any carbon build up on unlined steel.If the ammo was corosive you would have pitting on the bolt face as usualy its the salt based primers that are corrosive and would effect more than just the barrel as salt will eat steel.Also depending on how the rifle was stored can contribute to rust, 8 months ago would put it at the end of august so humidity can be a factor as well.Also I would rescind the wolf ammo warning...im tired of the ammo being blamed but im starting to see the truth in the statistic that when theres a problem with the AR M16 series it does apear to be an end user issue with maintinence or bad mags. |
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I agree, I myself rarely rack a firearm without cleaning and lubricating... not rude... live and learn... he is 13 and I only wish I would bave made him scrub for 3 hrs to learn a lesson.
BTW stainless is not rustproof as many people wrongly believe.. the boltface showed no signs of corrosion at all. J |
| Not the ammo dude, it's the cleaning practices. If he fired it and put it away hot in a case of any kind moisture will develop and it will rust no matter what kind of ammo you use. Not cleaning it and then storing it in a safe for months on ebd will make it worse. Also, make sure there is some type of dessicant in the safe. |
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So the Hive thinks ANY ammo fired without cleanng after 8 months would have the same results under the same conditions... not sure I can agree with that...
not Wolf bashing at all.. I do think there would be different results with diffent ammo...I am not recommending firing a rifle and putting it away at all...I agree that is not the way to treat any firearm... J |
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So the Hive thinks ANY ammo fired without cleanng after 8 months would have the same results under the same conditions... not sure I can agree with that... not Wolf bashing at all.. I do think there would be different results with diffent ammo...I am not recommending firing a rifle and putting it away at all...I agree that is not the way to treat any firearm... J I agree - can attest to this fact. |
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So the Hive thinks ANY ammo fired without cleanng after 8 months would have the same results under the same conditions... not sure I can agree with that... not Wolf bashing at all.. I do think there would be different results with diffent ammo...I am not recommending firing a rifle and putting it away at all...I agree that is not the way to treat any firearm... J Wolf isn't corrosive, but it's pretty dirty. Unless the rifle was stored in a humidity-free environment, the gunk left in the barrel - and especially in the flash hider - will soak up moisture from the air and hold it against the steel. Truly "corrosive" ammunition produces salts in the gunk that it leaves, so it's even more effective at holding moisture against the steel, and can cause corrosion pretty quickly. |
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i havent fired wolf from my rifle, but after using it once in my sig p220 pistol i refuse to use it again for that purpose. It was the dirtiest ammo i have ever used. and not just in my pistol, but i had visible residue on my forearms only after 50 rounds Yup. It seems to be dirtier than .22LR fired from a short barreled pistol. I think it has to do with the way their powder is made. By the way, not all Russian ammo is that filthy; Barnaul's .223 and 9mm (and probably all the rest) is cleaner in my experience than Winchester White Box ammo. |
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I fire Wolf in many calibers through my Stag, Glocks, and Beretta. and before the Stag, I put it through my Colt. I hold the opinion that all of the firearms that I own with the exception of my .22's are "service" weapons. That is, firearms designed for the use and abuse of daily carry and shooting, firing mass produced "service" grade ammo.
Now, having grown up shooting a plain jane Series 70 .45ACP, a .30 M1 Carbine, and as of 1978, an HK-91, plus mom's Colt Police Positive, and being the oldest of 4 boys, I tended to shoot the cheapest stuff on the shelf, mainly surplus ammo (if I had a nickel for every WWII .Korea and Vietnam era 45, .38, and .30 Carbine round I fired in my youth............great memories, and I loved opening those little brown cardboard boxes) and not always USGI surplus, but whatever happened to be on the market at the time, Canadian, British, German, Portugal, Greece, South Africa, Isreali, etc. etc, we fired it all. Even when my dad reloaded, he concentrated on shootable versus match grade, and he stuck to loads that most closely duplicated G.I. loadings. I consider Wolf to be on par with the surplus ammo of my youth. It is not pretty, it is not clean, but it is cheap, and it goes bang when I want it to. And I find that I dont spend any more time cleaning my firearms after shooting it than I do with anything else. After all, a dirty gun is a dirty gun, it may get that way a bit faster shooting Brand X than Brand Y, but you still have to maintain it properly after you are finished. Besides, nothing gets a rifle dirtier than blanks. After that experience, everything else is a cakewalk. |
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Wolf is not corrosive but tossing a firearm in a safe uncleaned for long periods of time is just asking for trouble. This is a little bit of an apples to oranges comparison, but I'll say it anyway.. I'm home on leave right now and opened up the safe to my USP45 that had been sitting there since last August after having shot Wolf and was not cleaned. 
However, it cleaned up nicely. I know its entirely different than a DI weapon (with different powder in the ammo I'm sure), but I was surprised at the lack of hardship cleaning up 8 month old Wolf residue. Take from this what you will. |
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i have shot at least a case worth of wolf through my 2 ARs and always clean the same day and lube well. I havent seen a bit of ruse on my barrels or bolt. Both barrels are non chrome lined barrels.
You must clean the rifle before storage. I am also in the military and have seen service Colt M4s with chrome lined barrels rust up in a matter of 2 weeks due to not being cleaned after comming out of the field. And that was with Federal m855 ammo |
| After shooting, usually there is still a good amount of oil left in the receivers, BUT the flash hider and barrel are usually pretty DRY. Oil blown off and/or burned off. Might be the reason why the flash hider suffered the corrosion the worst. The dirt/carbon left on the surface absorbing moisture sounds like another culprit/contributor as well. |
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I would not blame the ammo for lack of proper care of his weapon. Quoted:
My son has a stainless barreled AR that was fired around 8 months ago using wolf steel cased ammo, it was not cleaned before putting it into the safe. The A2 flash-hider gave away when I looked into the safe it was a rusty mess. After scrubbing the barrel with sweets 7.62 cleaner it was ok but what a mess, I think non-corrosive is not an accurate description for this ammo. anyone else had this type of experience? J |
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Who turns a thirteen-year-old kid loose with an AR and no supervision? I've never had a problem with WOLF ammo but I clean and lube my firearms every time they're used. I never said I "turned a 13 year old kid loos with an AR and no supervision" You are making an ASSumption of yourself.. I simply remembered to clean my own firearms before placing them in the safe, and somehow missed his... but I have NEVER had any problems before with any surplus ammo...even when left for months without cleaning..I propose we do a "box of truth" type comparison without cleaning between different ammos and see if there are different results.. |
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