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Posted: 10/16/2017 3:23:24 PM EST
As I said in another  post.  I am looking for some cheep ways to allow children to shoot my 50.

I was  thinking about plastic 3D bullets and  just primer for propellant may work

Anyone try this or even know where I could find the 3D bullets?
Link Posted: 10/16/2017 3:48:39 PM EST
[#1]
Sorry I don't have an answer for you.  
I did see this video:
Firing 3D-printed 9mm bullets!


I gladly print you 5 to test if you want, as long as I get it in writing that you won't sue me if something goes wrong.     

The only advise I would have is make sure you clean the barrel with something that will dissolve the plastic your using before going back to a normal load.  
 
Link Posted: 10/16/2017 4:20:36 PM EST
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Sorry I don't have an answer for you.  
I did see this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a1SC2vBGM4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a1SC2vBGM4

I gladly print you 5 to test if you want, as long as I get it in writing that you won't sue me if something goes wrong.     

The only advise I would have is make sure you clean the barrel with something that will dissolve the plastic your using before going back to a normal load.  
 
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That is a hell of a nice offer, GD always amazes me.
Link Posted: 10/16/2017 5:05:02 PM EST
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Sorry I don't have an answer for you.  
I did see this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a1SC2vBGM4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a1SC2vBGM4

I gladly print you 5 to test if you want, as long as I get it in writing that you won't sue me if something goes wrong.     

The only advise I would have is make sure you clean the barrel with something that will dissolve the plastic your using before going back to a normal load.  
 
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This kind of makes me wonder if I could 3d print a bullet and just use a primer to fire it. Obviously it wouldn't cycle, but I wonder.... Maybe even 3d print a case...
Link Posted: 10/16/2017 5:15:10 PM EST
[#4]
Good to know
Link Posted: 10/16/2017 6:37:51 PM EST
[#5]
I found this Image for a tracer round.  Do you think it will work?



From Site: http://www.pt103.com/PT_Boat_Components_Browning_50_Cal_M2_Aircraft.html
Link Posted: 10/16/2017 7:09:01 PM EST
[#6]
@Rickypoole

Does this look good to you?  
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Link Posted: 10/16/2017 8:39:02 PM EST
[#7]
Looks close enough
Link Posted: 10/16/2017 8:45:23 PM EST
[#8]
I'll print them in the morning. IM me your address.  I'm printing them in ABS, so acetone should be able to dissolve any residue left in the bore.
Link Posted: 10/17/2017 2:44:46 PM EST
[#9]
@Rickypoole 

They are ready.
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Edit: They came in at around 90 grains.
Link Posted: 10/17/2017 7:41:26 PM EST
[#10]
Great looks good
Link Posted: 10/18/2017 10:33:58 AM EST
[#11]
Awesome guys. Hope it works. If it does can you give some crono data Rickypool?
Link Posted: 10/18/2017 1:26:11 PM EST
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I can if I can find my cronograph  in my gun room.

I plan to at minimal take pictures and post them here
Link Posted: 10/18/2017 10:46:04 PM EST
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Link Posted: 10/19/2017 7:16:53 AM EST
[#14]
Maybe if they could be made hollow and filled with jb weld or something..
Link Posted: 10/19/2017 8:23:18 AM EST
[#15]
a little different, but I remember reading about someone doing this in 38 special. Plastic bullets from a mold, just primer. accurate inside the house and safe for practice.

One of the other things I have heard/read about is wax. may be able to get a mold made up and cast them in wax, then use the primer to fire.
Link Posted: 10/19/2017 8:45:31 AM EST
[#16]
This is awesome, can't wait for the report!
Link Posted: 10/19/2017 9:03:12 AM EST
[#17]
I have a lot of the 38 plastic bullets and cases for my 38 revolver and they work great as  practice.

I have used wax as well. The wax only work with straight walled cases and the wax pushed all the way to the primer.

I have even used foam ear plugs out of the 50 bmg  but not work so well. Only went about 15 feet.
Link Posted: 10/19/2017 9:17:40 AM EST
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Link Posted: 10/19/2017 12:29:36 PM EST
[#19]
These are going to be primer only.
Link Posted: 10/21/2017 5:24:20 PM EST
[#20]
I got the bullets  today.   I will "load" them Wednesday
Link Posted: 10/21/2017 5:45:47 PM EST
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That's damn cool!
Link Posted: 10/21/2017 6:46:12 PM EST
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I got the bullets  today.   I will "load" them Wednesday
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Glad they made it.  
Link Posted: 10/21/2017 7:04:36 PM EST
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Was it mentioned the barrel length.  Kinda wondering how much barrel those will pass through with a primer alone.
Link Posted: 10/21/2017 7:55:58 PM EST
[#24]
The tube on my rifle is 32 inches
Link Posted: 10/22/2017 1:56:57 PM EST
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Got them "loaded up"  only a cci primer  and put them in the case under neck tension only.  I didn't crimp them in place.
Link Posted: 10/22/2017 7:19:38 PM EST
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Link Posted: 10/23/2017 7:57:44 AM EST
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Got them "loaded up"  only a cci primer  and put them in the case under neck tension only.  I didn't crimp them in place.
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Well, even if they dont work they sure look nice.
Link Posted: 10/23/2017 10:01:14 AM EST
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Link Posted: 10/23/2017 10:13:19 AM EST
[#29]
This is a really interesting idea. 

What material was used to print?
Is there any concern with the friction between the bullet and barrel causing melting/fouling?
Link Posted: 10/23/2017 12:22:46 PM EST
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I'm printing them in ABS, so acetone should be able to dissolve any residue left in the bore.
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Is there any concern with the friction between the bullet and barrel causing melting/fouling?
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The only advise I would have is make sure you clean the barrel with something that will dissolve the plastic your using before going back to a normal load.
Link Posted: 10/23/2017 12:38:09 PM EST
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I wonder if one could put a gas check on them to cut down on the plastic melting from the temps.
Link Posted: 10/23/2017 12:45:40 PM EST
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What material was used to print?
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I'm printing them in ABS, so acetone should be able to dissolve any residue left in the bore.
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Is there any concern with the friction between the bullet and barrel causing melting/fouling?
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The only advise I would have is make sure you clean the barrel with something that will dissolve the plastic your using before going back to a normal load.
Thanks. That's what I get for skimming arfcom while on conference calls
Link Posted: 10/23/2017 1:18:05 PM EST
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As a guy with a 3D printer, I'm interested in seeing what happens.

I can't imagine they'll hold up (though I only do PLA, not ABS)
Link Posted: 10/23/2017 2:35:48 PM EST
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As a guy with a 3D printer, I'm interested in seeing what happens.

I can't imagine they'll hold up (though I only do PLA, not ABS)
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Yeah, I have my doubts about ABS, though I think PET-G, polycarbonate, or Nylon would do much better. In-fact with the properties of Nylon that might be ideal for this application because of it's strength, durability, and flexibility.
Link Posted: 10/23/2017 3:34:06 PM EST
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I agree that Nylon would have been best, and I do have Nylon, but it’s expensive.  Then again, none of this is not cost effective.  It took just under 5 hours to print 5 from ABS at 100% infill.  I uploaded the model to Shapeways to see what the cost per round would be from them, and it came at around $6 per round. 

Will see how this test goes, and go from there. If the OP wants to continue I can print another set with some of the suggestions. It’s his rifle after all, and I don’t have a 50.  

I should have also printed them in steps from .50 to .51 in the diameter.  I’m not sure if the primer only can overcome the friction at .51.

The main reason I went with ABS is I know acetone will dissolve it, and I’m not sure about the rest. I wanted the OP to have a way to clean his rifle if something got stuck.   

EDIT:  Time Laps
Time Laps: Printing 50 BMG for an AFCOMER
Link Posted: 10/23/2017 5:58:10 PM EST
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I have plain  if it isn't powerful enough to push them all the way out.  I have a long 50muzzle loader cleaning rod  and a dowel rod to push it back out.

My first test most likely be in the back yard into a box of tags to catch it.

Hopefully I can reuse it.
Link Posted: 10/24/2017 2:54:27 PM EST
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I have plain  if it isn't powerful enough to push them all the way out.  I have a long 50muzzle loader cleaning rod  and a dowel rod to push it back out.

My first test most likely be in the back yard into a box of tags to catch it.

Hopefully I can reuse it.
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HAHAHA! That would be awesome to be able to reuse them.
Link Posted: 10/25/2017 9:20:54 AM EST
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Set up  this morning to try the 3d printed bullets.

Things didn't go so well, The bullet got stuck 1/2 way down the tube and had to be hammered out.
Link Posted: 10/25/2017 9:24:20 AM EST
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Link Posted: 10/25/2017 10:07:31 AM EST
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I just tried to pull the rest apart by hand and ended up breaking two clean in 1/2.

I think this experiment was a failure.

I was thinking about a small powder change of trail boss. But when the two snapped by light hand pressure I rethought the power. Don't want them coming apart in my fish Gill break.
Link Posted: 10/25/2017 10:19:26 AM EST
[#41]
Can you reduce the diameter to get less engagement?
Link Posted: 10/25/2017 10:35:53 AM EST
[#42]
That bites. Do you want to try again?   I can print smaller ones in nylon. Maybe at .50 with a gas check. 
Link Posted: 10/25/2017 11:42:43 AM EST
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Link Posted: 10/25/2017 11:55:11 AM EST
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I don't think reduce the size will work because they will fit to loose in the case

The way they broke by hand  I doubt they would  be reusable. I think they will just snap in 1/2 when they hit something. The only reason the one didn't break up in the barrel is because the barrel support the bullet

3 of them broke when I tried to pull them out of the case two snapped off by hand the 3rd I used my press to try and pull them straight up.  I used vice grips to hold the bullet and it still snapped.
So what is left is one good bullet and the fired one.

I am not to sure about using any power I am thinking that they will snap once they leave the barrel that means it will hit the fish Gill break. I doubt it will be hard enough to damage it but not willing to take that chance
Link Posted: 10/25/2017 11:59:39 AM EST
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So I don't know jack about Lead casting or gas checks.  I take it it's a small cup that get crimped in place?  Would the OP need any tools for that and have the gas check in hand?  

Would I also have to make the 3D model with the groves I see lead cast bullets with? 

Asking cause I just don't know.
Link Posted: 10/25/2017 12:45:28 PM EST
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Gas check is a copper cup that gets crimped on the base of the. Bullet to protect against flame cutting I would be worried that the crimping process could crack the plastic.

I have the sizing die that will  also s crimp on the gas check but I don't have any 50 caliber gas checks
Link Posted: 10/25/2017 3:27:06 PM EST
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Gas check is a copper cup that gets crimped on the base of the. Bullet to protect against flame cutting I would be worried that the crimping process could crack the plastic.

I have the sizing die that will  also s crimp on the gas check but I don't have any 50 caliber gas checks
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Maybe epoxy the gas check in place or very lightly crimp with a dab of epoxy at the base.
Link Posted: 10/25/2017 3:41:00 PM EST
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tagscribe
Link Posted: 10/25/2017 4:08:24 PM EST
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Maybe epoxy the gas check in place or very lightly crimp with a dab of epoxy at the base.
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Gas check is a copper cup that gets crimped on the base of the. Bullet to protect against flame cutting I would be worried that the crimping process could crack the plastic.

I have the sizing die that will  also s crimp on the gas check but I don't have any 50 caliber gas checks
Maybe epoxy the gas check in place or very lightly crimp with a dab of epoxy at the base.
The epoxy won't work because the gas checks are made a little over size so when it is tan trough the sizer die will crimp it on and make it the right size.. I have the Lee bullet sizer so I can't adjust the amount of crimp on the bullets
Link Posted: 10/25/2017 9:40:45 PM EST
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If it held up to hammering it out i wouldnt worry with it coming apart at the break. Id throw 5 grains of trail boss in and go from there.

Also, i wounder how much of the bearing surface could be removed to help it only need a primer? Maybe it just needs to be shorter?

Maybe something like a wooden dowel would make a better bullet. I know there have been wood bullets used in the past for trainers.

Just spitballing here
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