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Posted: 1/17/2023 1:15:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interested to see how/if they addressed the “3d cans can’t be repaired” issue hopefully they tackled this issue like how my mod9 is constructed: the booster housing is serialized and the main tube threads into it. yes, its one more piece to come loose and add to tolerance stacking but it solves my 'cant be repaired gripe' when it comes to 3d printed stuff. i will say this teaser seemed to all have us guessing. i was for sure convinced they weren't going to do a 50 cal can and then I was tricked into thinking they were. for the sake of clarity, this is a can with a booster correct? since they already have the wolfman (and the odessa is lame, IMO), I'm assuming yes. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 2:30:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they’re shooting them all through the same gun, that’s true innovation. lol |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 3:11:31 PM EDT
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I'm hoping for something integral. I will buy it if it is.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 3:20:24 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interested to see how/if they addressed the “3d cans can’t be repaired” issue Are they one of the companies that EA licensed their ID ring to? |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 4:23:45 PM EDT
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Any actual details yet? I can't find anything
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Posted: 1/17/2023 5:09:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any actual details yet? I can't find anything Palm Beach Tactical on Instagram posted a photo of the exterior and interior. @atlmike - if you are out there, I spotted your signature design fingerprint all over the exterior of this silencer and it looks awesome. I bet the endcap is hand-removable, huh? Also, the amount of surface area in the "stack" (now I guess we say "core?") is super exciting. What a time to be alive!!!! Jay PEW Science |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 5:16:50 PM EDT
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Looks like a hollowed out spline shaft, but if it works well, I’m in for one, aesthetics be damned.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 5:18:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2023 5:23:27 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryThat is pretty wild. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 5:49:38 PM EDT
[#10]
I’m in.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 6:29:22 PM EDT
[#11]
Interesting.
Price? Specs? |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 7:20:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What I presume is Dead Air's parent company also filed something with the patent and trademark office the same day as the Mojave 9 for something called the Nomax 33 I think they mentioned something about a Nomax 33 a couple years ago. With the 8.6 Blackout hype, now would be the time to bring it to market. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 8:43:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: hopefully they tackled this issue like how my mod9 is constructed: the booster housing is serialized and the main tube threads into it. yes, its one more piece to come loose and add to tolerance stacking but it solves my 'cant be repaired gripe' when it comes to 3d printed stuff. i will say this teaser seemed to all have us guessing. i was for sure convinced they weren't going to do a 50 cal can and then I was tricked into thinking they were. for the sake of clarity, this is a can with a booster correct? since they already have the wolfman (and the odessa is lame, IMO), I'm assuming yes.   |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 9:25:09 PM EDT
[#14]
Would be cool if these Triscuit baffles were removable. Doesn't say that anywhere though so I'm guessing not.
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Posted: 1/18/2023 12:43:21 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Would be cool if these Triscuit baffles were removable. Doesn't say that anywhere though so I'm guessing not. If these baffles are half as good as the crackers, they may really be on to something..... Now that they have this not-Wolfman intro'd into the lineup alongside their Wolfman, I'm hoping the Nomax 33 is next up to bat. Seems likely that DA told us what to expect in terms of the order of upcoming cans with those insta posts: 9mm > .338 > .45 (probably carbine can) > .50 bmg > 12 ga. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 12:56:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems likely that DA told us what to expect in terms of the order of upcoming cans with those insta posts: 9mm > .338 > .45 (probably carbine can) > .50 bmg > 12 ga. That’s a bold prediction |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 1:49:51 AM EDT
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Do the baffles come out for cleaning? Discrete baffles or is each stack monolithic? For cast lead if the stack doesn’t come out and the tube is 7075 I’d assume you can’t use the dip, CLR, or ultrasonic.
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Posted: 1/18/2023 1:51:53 AM EDT
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Played with it today at shot show. Very cool. I’m sold. Todd you got me again.
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Posted: 1/18/2023 1:52:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do the baffles come out for cleaning? Discrete baffles or is each stack monolithic? For cast lead if the stack doesn’t come out and the tube is 7075 I’d assume you can’t use the dip, CLR, or ultrasonic. It does not come out for cleaning. The core and tube are 3D printed in one piece |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 2:13:45 AM EDT
[#20]
I’ll be buying one of these
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Posted: 1/18/2023 2:37:04 AM EDT
[#21]
ok thats sexy as hell
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Posted: 1/18/2023 8:20:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It does not come out for cleaning. The core and tube are 3D printed in one piece Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do the baffles come out for cleaning? Discrete baffles or is each stack monolithic? For cast lead if the stack doesn’t come out and the tube is 7075 I’d assume you can’t use the dip, CLR, or ultrasonic. It does not come out for cleaning. The core and tube are 3D printed in one piece That being the case, & that Al, SS, & Ti comprise the materials, 1 of the modular segments - which I presume to be the smaller end module - will be "undippable" Al & challenging to clean with that baffle profile. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 8:39:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It does not come out for cleaning. The core and tube are 3D printed in one piece Well, cast bullets are a niche anyway, and perhaps whatever component is 7075 aluminum is removable (front cap maybe). Seems like it’s more of a lightweight rifle can with pistol capability. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 9:19:33 AM EDT
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Both the front and rear modules of the Mojave 9 are entirely printed from Grade 5 Titanium, inside and out. The outer surfaces and the inner surfaces appear to be different materials because we turn and contour the exterior prior to blast and coating. We did this so that people would see the usual smooth outer surface that they are accustomed to seeing with a silencer made the old-fashioned way from machined baffles placed in a tube. The splines are a printed feature. If you look at the troughs in between the splines on the outside of the rear module, you can still see some of the as-printed finish.
There are two 7075 components on Mojave; the front end cap, and the back cap that contains the piston and piston spring. We've added a nitrided stainless insert to the back cap so the piston rides in a steel bore rather than aluminum. All of the booster parts are stainless steel. Mojave uses Odessa pistons with a 3/4" shank and a 1" head. In the event of damage to the rear module, there is a repair method in place that involves removal of the serialized area on the rear of the silencer that contains the interface threads for the booster, and welding it to a printed replacement rear module specifically designed for repair purposes. The Mojave has very good back pressure characteristics and produces a really nice, earthy tone. SilentMike Dead Air |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 9:50:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Both the front and rear modules of the Mojave 9 are entirely printed from Grade 5 Titanium, inside and out. The outer surfaces and the inner surfaces appear to be different materials because we turn and contour the exterior prior to blast and coating. We did this so that people would see the usual smooth outer surface that they are accustomed to seeing with a silencer made the old-fashioned way from machined baffles placed in a tube. The splines are a printed feature. If you look at the troughs in between the splines on the outside of the rear module, you can still see some of the as-printed finish. There are two 7075 components on Mojave; the front end cap, and the back cap that contains the piston and piston spring. We've added a nitrided stainless insert to the back cap so the piston rides in a steel bore rather than aluminum. All of the booster parts are stainless steel. Mojave uses Odessa pistons with a 3/4" shank and a 1" head. In the event of damage to the rear module, there is a repair method in place that involves removal of the serialized area on the rear of the silencer that contains the interface threads for the booster, and welding it to a printed replacement rear module specifically designed for repair purposes. The Mojave has very good back pressure characteristics and produces a really nice, earthy tone. SilentMike Dead Air Fantastic. I don't currently own a DA suppressor but have been really impressed with everything I've read about your company. My next two cans will be DA. Thanks for pushing the envelope. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 10:42:01 AM EDT
[#26]
Very cool design and love the ingenuity. Fingers crossed for something else maybe a 556 can.
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Posted: 1/18/2023 10:42:12 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, cast bullets are a niche anyway, and perhaps whatever component is 7075 aluminum is removable (front cap maybe). Seems like it’s more of a lightweight rifle can with pistol capability. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It does not come out for cleaning. The core and tube are 3D printed in one piece Well, cast bullets are a niche anyway, and perhaps whatever component is 7075 aluminum is removable (front cap maybe). Seems like it’s more of a lightweight rifle can with pistol capability. The only aluminum part is the endcap and parts of the booster cage |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 11:36:35 AM EDT
[#28]
Sounds like CGS and DA are both working on basically similar 9mm things.
I do like the smooth outside cosmetic features of the DA can. @Atlmike Is this one supposed to be compatible with Ghost/Wolfman boosters and 3-lugs? |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 12:01:52 PM EDT
[#29]
Yep. All the P-Series goodies that work with Ghost will fit in Mojave. KeyMicro, 3-Lug, Direct thread, P-Series Xeno.
SilentMike Dead Air |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 12:31:52 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. All the P-Series goodies that work with Ghost will fit in Mojave. KeyMicro, 3-Lug, Direct thread, P-Series Xeno. SilentMike Dead Air Wow, now I really can't decide between this or the new CGS can. One thing that leans heavily in favor of DA though is how responsive to questions and concerns you guys are here. That is much appreciated. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 1:05:30 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mojave uses Odessa pistons with a 3/4" shank and a 1" head. In the event of damage to the rear module, there is a repair method in place that involves removal of the serialized area on the rear of the silencer that contains the interface threads for the booster, and welding it to a printed replacement rear module specifically designed for repair purposes. SilentMike Dead Air thanks for answering the two questions i had. if i do end up getting one, i will swap out the piston to an ez lok one (assuming i can get it to work on my mod9). good on ya for making the can repairable. i know it can be done with printed stuff, just requires some forethought (something i wish hux did with their 556k). the print/design looks gorgeous. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 1:07:24 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, now I really can't decide between this or the new CGS can. i dont need another 9mm can, but with this and the mod-x im considering getting another. i love how the suppressor industry continues to innovate and evolve. it looks like printing is here to stay! |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 8:21:30 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Mojave has very good back pressure characteristics and produces a really nice, earthy tone. SilentMike Dead Air What calibers is this in reference to? I thought I saw somewhere that this can isn’t recommended for 5.56. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 9:56:49 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What calibers is this in reference to? I thought I saw somewhere that this can isn’t recommended for 5.56. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Mojave has very good back pressure characteristics and produces a really nice, earthy tone. SilentMike Dead Air What calibers is this in reference to? I thought I saw somewhere that this can isn’t recommended for 5.56. im gonna go on a limb here and say 9mm. hansohn posted the product sheet and it gives the calibers its rated for. also, what is an 'earthy' tone? |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 10:58:13 PM EDT
[#35]
Anyone seen any release date for this?
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Posted: 1/19/2023 1:43:21 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone seen any release date for this? Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone seen any release date for this? I seent it where Pappas said in a video end of March or early April. Quoted: also, what is an 'earthy' tone? I take that to mean not a sharp crack like many other cans. But I do not have the Silencer Testing Merit Badge. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 2:32:43 AM EDT
[#37]
That’s some impressive next level stuff.
Nicely done, DA. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:04:01 AM EDT
[#38]
Dumb question:
@mageever It says it's rated for 300BO supers (semi-auto). Aren't 300BO super and 7.62x39 basically the same thing, heat, pressure and power wise? And if 300BO supers, I wonder why not 5.56? |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:17:05 PM EDT
[#39]
300 BLK is designed to get a near complete propellant burn out of a short barrel. Most 7.62 x 39 and 5.56 is not. Our concern is that you’ll prematurely erode your blast baffle from unburied propellant with a diet of 7.62 x 39 and 5.56.
SilentMike Dead Air |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:44:59 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 300 BLK is designed to get a near complete propellant burn out of a short barrel. Most 7.62 x 39 and 5.56 is not. Our concern is that you’ll prematurely erode your blast baffle from unburied propellant with a diet of 7.62 x 39 and 5.56. SilentMike Dead Air So throw it on a Ruger American 762x39 to pull double duty shooting a deer once a year and not on an AK? Gotcha |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 10:59:32 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Both the front and rear modules of the Mojave 9 are entirely printed from Grade 5 Titanium, inside and out. The outer surfaces and the inner surfaces appear to be different materials because we turn and contour the exterior prior to blast and coating. We did this so that people would see the usual smooth outer surface that they are accustomed to seeing with a silencer made the old-fashioned way from machined baffles placed in a tube. The splines are a printed feature. If you look at the troughs in between the splines on the outside of the rear module, you can still see some of the as-printed finish. There are two 7075 components on Mojave; the front end cap, and the back cap that contains the piston and piston spring. We've added a nitrided stainless insert to the back cap so the piston rides in a steel bore rather than aluminum. All of the booster parts are stainless steel. Mojave uses Odessa pistons with a 3/4" shank and a 1" head. In the event of damage to the rear module, there is a repair method in place that involves removal of the serialized area on the rear of the silencer that contains the interface threads for the booster, and welding it to a printed replacement rear module specifically designed for repair purposes. The Mojave has very good back pressure characteristics and produces a really nice, earthy tone. SilentMike Dead Air Thank you for giving us the information. I’ll be getting one asap! |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 11:23:10 PM EDT
[#42]
My pleasure.
This has been a really fun, quick project. We’re excited to bring our customers something new that they’ve never seen. I can’t wait for people to get them in hand and experience the results. SilentMike Dead Air |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 2:16:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: im gonna go on a limb here and say 9mm. hansohn posted the product sheet and it gives the calibers its rated for. also, what is an 'earthy' tone? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Mojave has very good back pressure characteristics and produces a really nice, earthy tone. SilentMike Dead Air What calibers is this in reference to? I thought I saw somewhere that this can isn’t recommended for 5.56. im gonna go on a limb here and say 9mm. hansohn posted the product sheet and it gives the calibers its rated for. also, what is an 'earthy' tone? 5.56 muzzle energy of 1250 ft-lbs is way below the 1900 ft-lb rating and is the caliber most people worry about gas blowback and find the sharp tone of many suppressors annoying. Just trying to see where it fits and what the trade-offs are. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 2:18:53 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 300 BLK is designed to get a near complete propellant burn out of a short barrel. Most 7.62 x 39 and 5.56 is not. Our concern is that you’ll prematurely erode your blast baffle from unburied propellant with a diet of 7.62 x 39 and 5.56. SilentMike Dead Air Well, there’s functional short barrel 5.56, 7.62commie, and Grendel, and there’s stupid-short. Stupid deserves what it gets. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 10:09:16 AM EDT
[#45]
 NEW 3D Printed Dead Air Mojave Suppressor |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 11:01:23 AM EDT
[#46]
How long does it take to print one up?
It would be pretty cool to see a time lapse video of the process. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 11:03:16 AM EDT
[#47]
Here’s my plan:
1. Buy this the second it becomes available 2. Put it up against the Nitro N2O, Omega 9k, and Wolfman on my Dakota D54N, and the winner gets to live on that host for the foreseeable future. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 5:35:37 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My pleasure. This has been a really fun, quick project. We’re excited to bring our customers something new that they’ve never seen. I can’t wait for people to get them in hand and experience the results. SilentMike Dead Air Mike, you really killed it with this new baffle design! I'm with you. I just can't wait for people to experience how awesome this can is. Todd Magee Dead Air Engineering |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 5:41:06 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 5.56 muzzle energy of 1250 ft-lbs is way below the 1900 ft-lb rating and is the caliber most people worry about gas blowback and find the sharp tone of many suppressors annoying. Just trying to see where it fits and what the trade-offs are. I don't know that we'll define it much further, but since you can't always rely on customers understanding how erosive 5.56 is and there will always be someone willing to prove that things can be broken (you know, for internet points), we may restrict 5.56 or put limits on it. Like, if you think you should run a pistol/subgun/light duty rifle can hardcore on and SBR while mag dumping into trash, then we may need to work on some language. Frankly, if you're buying this for 5.56, you're doing it wrong. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 7:22:22 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know that we'll define it much further, but since you can't always rely on customers understanding how erosive 5.56 is and there will always be someone willing to prove that things can be broken (you know, for internet points), we may restrict 5.56 or put limits on it. Like, if you think you should run a pistol/subgun/light duty rifle can hardcore on and SBR while mag dumping into trash, then we may need to work on some language. Frankly, if you're buying this for 5.56, you're doing it wrong. Maybe you guys could make a 5.56 version of this. Don't make me go buy a Flow 556k.  |
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