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Posted: 2/24/2023 6:40:04 PM EDT
First batch will be heading to nitride at the beginning of the week.
Compatible with Q Plan B type mounting systems. Available in 1/2x28, 5/8x24, 11/16x24, M14x1LH, and M13.5x1LH External wrench flats so it doesn't get stuck in your silencer. Product page here We are also working on several support parts for these as well. Blast deflector should be available in a few weeks followed by adapter hubs. Complete silencers should be coming by the end of the year! |
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Quoted: Just to clarify, not officially licensed? View Quote Negative, I've contacted Q several times regarding this and no response. I assume there is nothing to officially license. We were working on a licensing agreement with another company but getting "design approval" was a PITA so we went with the Q system. It's simple, solid, and the silencer industry needs better standardization of a QD type mounting system. This will require an open source design that other companies that actually produce parts can use because most larger silencer companies don't machine any of their parts so availability sucks and options are limited. |
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Quoted: Does the M14x1LH one index off of the muzzle? View Quote We considered indexing off of the muzzle but decided to advise to remove the front sight detent and index off of the front sight. These do have a shoulder inside so they could be indexed off of the muzzle. If your setup needs indexed off the muzzle then just add a note on the order and we can include a 0.150" spacer that goes between the shoulder and the muzzle. |
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Quoted: Negative, I've contacted Q several times regarding this and no response. I assume there is nothing to officially license. We were working on a licensing agreement with another company but getting "design approval" was a PITA so we went with the Q system. It's simple, solid, and the silencer industry needs better standardization of a QD type mounting system. This will require an open source design that other companies that actually produce parts can use because most larger silencer companies don't machine any of their parts so availability sucks and options are limited. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Just to clarify, not officially licensed? Negative, I've contacted Q several times regarding this and no response. I assume there is nothing to officially license. We were working on a licensing agreement with another company but getting "design approval" was a PITA so we went with the Q system. It's simple, solid, and the silencer industry needs better standardization of a QD type mounting system. This will require an open source design that other companies that actually produce parts can use because most larger silencer companies don't machine any of their parts so availability sucks and options are limited. Nice To be fair, Q has needed a FH option forever. They finally release one but one design is stupid. Open and closed time should be two standard options |
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@Wolfpackarmory
@Machine_gunner22 Is there enough material at the back for the Q/Sig taper to be cut in? |
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Quoted: We considered indexing off of the muzzle but decided to advise to remove the front sight detent and index off of the front sight. These do have a shoulder inside so they could be indexed off of the muzzle. If your setup needs indexed off the muzzle then just add a note on the order and we can include a 0.150" spacer that goes between the shoulder and the muzzle. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Does the M14x1LH one index off of the muzzle? We considered indexing off of the muzzle but decided to advise to remove the front sight detent and index off of the front sight. These do have a shoulder inside so they could be indexed off of the muzzle. If your setup needs indexed off the muzzle then just add a note on the order and we can include a 0.150" spacer that goes between the shoulder and the muzzle. Thank you! |
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Nice. Now make your own mount with a left-hand thread and LH on the muzzle devices and call it Plan X, lol.
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Quoted: We considered indexing off of the muzzle but decided to advise to remove the front sight detent and index off of the front sight. These do have a shoulder inside so they could be indexed off of the muzzle. If your setup needs indexed off the muzzle then just add a note on the order and we can include a 0.150" spacer that goes between the shoulder and the muzzle. View Quote Sorry I'm simple, but if you're using the spacer in between the shoulder and MD to attempt to facemount the muzzle device wouldn't that just be mounting off the shoulder/front sight post which defeats the whole purpose? I thought face mounting was intentionally designed to not come in contact with the shoulder/front sight as that is what will cause misalignment in the AK platform? https://youtu.be/fxkSwALglyE <- explanation of jmac face mount devices for folks who think I'm speaking crazy talk. I would love to buy your devices for all my AKs if they could be successfully face mounted but maybe I'm just misunderstanding or reading it wrong. |
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Yes, there is enough threads. We plan to offer that as an option as soon as I program it out.
Quoted: @Wolfpackarmory @Machine_gunner22 Is there enough material at the back for the Q/Sig taper to be cut in? View Quote |
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That is correct, all plan b type mounts
Quoted: These work with rearden atlas right? It's all plan b? View Quote |
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The spacer would go inside the flash hider between the muzzle end of the barrel and the shoulder at the end of the threads inside the flash hider.
It would work by tightening up on the muzzle before the wrench flats would contact the front sight. This would also be necessary for barrels without a shoulder or front sight. Quoted: Sorry I'm simple, but if you're using the spacer in between the shoulder and MD to attempt to facemount the muzzle device wouldn't that just be mounting off the shoulder/front sight post which defeats the whole purpose? I thought face mounting was intentionally designed to not come in contact with the shoulder/front sight as that is what will cause misalignment in the AK platform? https://youtu.be/fxkSwALglyE <- explanation of jmac face mount devices for folks who think I'm speaking crazy talk. I would love to buy your devices for all my AKs if they could be successfully face mounted but maybe I'm just misunderstanding or reading it wrong. View Quote |
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Quoted: The spacer would go inside the flash hider between the muzzle end of the barrel and the shoulder at the end of the threads inside the flash hider. It would work by tightening up on the muzzle before the wrench flats would contact the front sight. This would also be necessary for barrels without a shoulder or front sight. View Quote Ok thank you explaining it in five year old terms! I'm def buying a few for my AKs. |
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Quoted: Yes, there is enough threads. We plan to offer that as an option as soon as I program it out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Yes, there is enough threads. We plan to offer that as an option as soon as I program it out. Quoted: @Wolfpackarmory @Machine_gunner22 Is there enough material at the back for the Q/Sig taper to be cut in? That is fantastic!! I'll be in for at least four of them |
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Those look really clean. Price is right too. I’ll be in for a couple.
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Very nice, options are always good and the price seems right!
I would love to see a short linear comp mount for the Plan B... |
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The product page for the Night Howler does not list the respective bore sizes
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Any plans to make an Xeno-compatible muzzle devices? I'd love more Xeno brake options.
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Quoted: The bore on all of these is 0.45" at the smallest diameter. We can bore that larger if needed but I will get that added to the description. View Quote So .458 Socom/45-70 would require a bit larger bore ? |
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Just wanted to respond I got my muzzle devices and they look great! Unfortunately even with the provide spacer they would still reach the FSB before bottoming out when trying to facemount. I think the spacers probably need to be doubled in length as it didn't work on my vepr, saiga, or wasr
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So to follow-up to my last post.
The measurements from my Draco is 15mm, Factory WASR (not parts kit) 14mm , slant back VEPR 15mm. I measured the spacer at 5mm, I attempted to measure the internal threading of the muzzle device and think I came to 20mm. If that is correct then it has 15mm of threading which explains why the devices are hitting the FSP. I'm not an engineer by any means (computer science major) but possibly a 7-8mm spacer could work and be universal? I'm unsure of PSA barrel thread length but that would have to be taken into account as well since they move allot of volume. Could anyone with a PSA rifle measure the length of their threading? Please see my pictures here where I did the measurements with my calipers. https://imgur.com/a/KELYhLp Please note I have a North Carolina education so if I messed up please go easy. |
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Quoted: So to follow-up to my last post. The measurements from my Draco is 15mm, Factory WASR (not parts kit) 14mm , slant back VEPR 15mm. I measured the spacer at 5mm, I attempted to measure the internal threading of the muzzle device and think I came to 20mm. If that is correct then it has 15mm of threading which explains why the devices are hitting the FSP. I'm not an engineer by any means (computer science major) but possibly a 7-8mm spacer could work and be universal? I'm unsure of PSA barrel thread length but that would have to be taken into account as well since they move allot of volume. Could anyone with a PSA rifle measure the length of their threading? Please see my pictures here where I did the measurements with my calipers. https://imgur.com/a/KELYhLp Please note I have a North Carolina education so if I messed up please go easy. View Quote Is that an external or internal spacer? Using an external spacer means the muzzle device indexes (remotely) on the surface of the front sight post assembly which very likely is not at a perfect 90 degrees to the barrel bore. So a bigger spacer can thread up correctly but the muzzle device may not be coaxial to the barrel bore. So you will want to check bore alignment by eye by bore sighting, or use a gauge rod in the bore. If the muzzle device has an inside step then an internal spacer there might index more concentric off the barrel muzzle. Probably a custom length inside spacer is the best approach. Short, large bore cans can mate to AKs ok. Longer, skinnier bore cans are less tolerant of off axis mounting. ETA: just read back through entire thread. Sounds like you just need a longer internal spacer. Caveats on suppressing AKs still apply. |
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Quoted: ETA: just read back through entire thread. Sounds like you just need a longer internal spacer. Caveats on suppressing AKs still apply. View Quote Yes this is the main point. I've sent all the measurements to wolf pack so maybe they can adjust the size spacers they include for face mounting on AKs. Was just posting here for everyone's awareness and general information when it comes to face mounting. |
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Quoted: Just wanted to respond I got my muzzle devices and they look great! Unfortunately even with the provide spacer they would still reach the FSB before bottoming out when trying to facemount. I think the spacers probably need to be doubled in length as it didn't work on my vepr, saiga, or wasr View Quote So I guess that all depends on where the manufacturer puts the front sight. On all of our AK builds, we use the standard of 0.625" of threads beyond the front sight. If they used less than that then the spacers will not work. I will get you some longer ones sent out. Did you happen to try both spacers and see how far the flash hider sits from the front sight when tightened? That may give me an idea of how much longer the spacers need to be on your setup. |
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Dead Air lets companies like Blackout Defense and Forward Controls make badass muzzle devices that the people want.
I’m a Q fan but Kevin needs to get with the program. I’m a Cherry Bomb user but I would love to see other options, like this. Has anyone bothered to look up to see if there is a patent filed on the Q taper mounts. Not even sure if that could be protected unless it was an exact copy of the CB or that ugly ass flash hider. |
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Quoted: Dead Air lets companies like Blackout Defense and Forward Controls make badass muzzle devices that the people want. I’m a Q fan but Kevin needs to get with the program. I’m a Cherry Bomb user but I would love to see other options, like this. Has anyone bothered to look up to see if there is a patent filed on the Q taper mounts. Not even sure if that could be protected unless it was an exact copy of the CB or that ugly ass flash hider. View Quote There is no patent, and there are quite a few companies just making them anyway. |
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Quoted: There is no patent, and there are quite a few companies just making them anyway. View Quote Who else makes a Q Taper mount pattern muzzle device? ETA - clarifying that what I’m looking for is muzzle devices that accept 25 degree taper on barrel. My biggest hope for the rifle industry is that they catch on and realize that 25 degree is the way of the future. Quit jacking with 90 degree shoulders. Want to still use 90 degree muzzle devices? No problem, a $20 adapter is available to compensate for tapered barrels. |
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Quoted: Who else makes a Q Taper mount pattern muzzle device? ETA - clarifying that what I’m looking for is muzzle devices that accept 25 degree taper on barrel. My biggest hope for the rifle industry is that they catch on and realize that 25 degree is the way of the future. Quit jacking with 90 degree shoulders. Want to still use 90 degree muzzle devices? No problem, a $20 adapter is available to compensate for tapered barrels. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: There is no patent, and there are quite a few companies just making them anyway. Who else makes a Q Taper mount pattern muzzle device? ETA - clarifying that what I’m looking for is muzzle devices that accept 25 degree taper on barrel. My biggest hope for the rifle industry is that they catch on and realize that 25 degree is the way of the future. Quit jacking with 90 degree shoulders. Want to still use 90 degree muzzle devices? No problem, a $20 adapter is available to compensate for tapered barrels. We can add the 25 degree taper on these if you add a note on the order. |
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