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11/14/2004 7:53:10 AM EDT
Does anyone know if you can buy a kit to make a 10/22 to shoot fullauto?  





"Everyone Bleeds"
11/14/2004 8:01:45 AM EDT
[#1]
Try here: 1-800-283-4867
11/14/2004 8:03:27 AM EDT
[#2]
Here's their website.

www.atf.gov
11/14/2004 8:04:45 AM EDT
[#3]
I dont know of any...but, if there was one, it would be illegal to own if you also have a 10/22.  You would need a kit registered before 1986.

Im not sure if you were just wondering or what, but they do make gattling gun type setups where you can fire at a pretty crazy ROF.

EXAMPLE: http://www.bmikarts.com/Pages/Gatling%20Guns/Gatling%20Gun.htm
11/14/2004 8:12:11 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Does anyone know if you can buy a kit to make a 10/22 to shoot fullauto?  

No, but you can by a full-auto 10/22.  I would check on www.subguns.com.

I think that John Norrel made the best conversions.
11/14/2004 8:27:14 AM EDT
[#5]
I heard that if you file down the firing pi...........



wait, wrong thread, sorry guys
11/14/2004 9:20:08 AM EDT
[#6]
IBTL..
11/14/2004 9:46:01 AM EDT
[#7]
IM sent
11/14/2004 10:01:06 AM EDT
[#8]
i held a norell FA, integralls suppressed 10/22 at the Lauer shop.  i think it was around 7k but probably a bit more now, if it's even for sale.  i would love to shoot one sometime.
11/14/2004 10:24:10 AM EDT
[#9]
IBTL - Just for the count

I always wonder if shit like this is an atf newbie, or atf looking for n00bs, or a sheeple newbie
11/14/2004 11:26:23 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
IBTL - Just for the count

I always wonder if shit like this is an atf newbie, or atf looking for n00bs, or a sheeple newbie



everyone has to learn somewhere.  i'm more concerned about the people that IM you and try to sell you illegal nfa items. -it has happened to me on another gun board.  
11/14/2004 11:43:26 AM EDT
[#11]
IBTL...
11/14/2004 12:33:54 PM EDT
[#12]
WTF is up with all of the IBTL crap?  Granted, we've probably have some .gov trouble makers lurking around, but how was his question any different from:

Where can I buy an RDIAS for my AR?

Where can I buy a sear pack for my H&K?

The original poster didn't imply the pursuit of illegal NFA parts, so again WTF.
11/14/2004 12:52:23 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
WTF is up with all of the IBTL crap?  Granted, we've probably have some .gov trouble makers lurking around, but how was his question any different from:

Where can I buy an RDIAS for my AR?

Where can I buy a sear pack for my H&K?

The original poster didn't imply the pursuit of illegal NFA parts, so again WTF.



+1

He's asking if it's possible.  As far as I know, if someone has a Norell kit that's registered but not in a rifle, it can be used.  Or, just purchase a currently fullauto registered 10/22.  If you're going to post, answer the f'ing question.  Don't post stupid IBTL shit.
11/14/2004 8:38:08 PM EDT
[#14]
hmmm lets see 9 posts, asks to create a full auto weapon, not buy one.  Sounds shady enough to IBTL to me
11/14/2004 11:53:07 PM EDT
[#15]
please refer to John Norrells website for a 10/22 registered trigger pack.  Caution however, they are NOT cheap, and they will require a 200 dollar atf tax stamp, on top of the price of the pack....along with a considerable waiting time.

so yes...it IS possible...AND expensive, through the legal avenues.
11/14/2004 11:56:31 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
hmmm lets see 9 posts, asks to create a full auto weapon, not buy one.  Sounds shady enough to IBTL to me



post # has NOTHING to do with the legitimacy of the question.  you are NOT your post count...the number of times you have replied to an internet board does not a genuine human being make.
11/14/2004 11:59:55 PM EDT
[#17]
I saw one for sale awhile back.  Another MG with a 22 kit might be a better/cheaper option.
11/15/2004 12:12:50 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
I saw one for sale awhile back.  Another MG with a 22 kit might be a better/cheaper option.



ot may very well be...

i recently shot a suppressed FA uzi with a 22 kit....tons o fun.
11/15/2004 12:15:09 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I saw one for sale awhile back.  Another MG with a 22 kit might be a better/cheaper option.



ot may very well be...

i recently shot a suppressed FA uzi with a 22 kit....tons o fun.



No supressor here, but its still fun without it, if you can keep it feeding/ejecting
11/15/2004 12:28:05 AM EDT
[#20]
the owner of the weapon claimed to have no problems with the uzi/22 kit combo when using good quality ammo...

and i remember him saying that remington subsonic stuff always functioned flawless...

However, the can he was using provides more backpressure, possibly adding more reliability.
11/15/2004 4:16:32 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
post # has NOTHING to do with the legitimacy of the question.  you are NOT your post count...the number of times you have replied to an internet board does not a genuine human being make.



AMEN BROTHER!!!

There are WAY to many people that have only been around for a couple of months that have 1000+ posts, just because they open their pie hole on every thread they read, whether they have a clue or not.  I'm much more impressed by the person that doesn't speak/type unless they have something relevent to say.
11/15/2004 5:22:54 AM EDT
[#22]
Get a BMF activator.  It's ATF approved, it cost $20 and it's a lot of fun.

Add a MG42, bullpup or HK style stock and go wild...

11/15/2004 5:41:41 AM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
Get a BMF activator.  It's ATF approved, it cost $20 and it's a lot of fun.

Add a MG42, bullpup or HK style stock and go wild...




You better check your state regs before you do that. Those are not legal in MN.
11/15/2004 5:58:58 AM EDT
[#24]
Oh, yeah, didn't think of that.  

They are probably illegal in all the "Blue States".

Glad I live in Tennesse, where pretty much everything is legal that's fed legal.

11/15/2004 6:26:05 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Get a BMF activator.  It's ATF approved, it cost $20 and it's a lot of fun.

Add a MG42, bullpup or HK style stock and go wild...




You better check your state regs before you do that. Those are not legal in MN.



hand cranks and hellfires aren't legal in MN? dayum... that's bad.

I'll have to remember that if i ever pick one up. i travel through MN on my way home.
11/15/2004 6:37:11 AM EDT
[#26]
I shot a Norrell integrally suppressed select-fire 10/22 a couple of years ago.  What a fucking ball!  If only they weren't $8,000.00.  
11/15/2004 8:21:48 AM EDT
[#27]
11/15/2004 8:38:31 AM EDT
[#28]
BMF Activator and other trigger enhancement devices are not allowed to be used here in Iowa either, which sucks as a crank fired semi 1919 is the shit when it comes to a cheap high ROF.  I believe you can own the trigger enhancement devices but you just can't have them installed, there was a vendor that used to always sell them at gunshows which was legal for him to do since he only had a video showing what "they would do" and didn't actually have one installed on a firearm.

BTW: A Norrell trigger pack would be awesome but I can't afford it right now.  I do plan on getting the 22lr conversion for my FA Vector UZI and a Ciener conversion for the AC556K.  Now if my semi .22lr PPS-50 and American 180 were only FA I'd be set!
11/15/2004 9:19:05 AM EDT
[#29]
save youreself afew thousand and get a full auto airsoft gun . if you have never shot one , i'd try it first . i have a full auto p-90 and it beats a 10/22 anyday. and you can shoot it indoors. you can get one that is an exact copy of any firearm. plus real accessories will fit them. i like the fact that you can get an aug, p-90.famas, sig 550 , ect i know its not an airsoft forum , but it is a legal alternative that wont get prision time over.
11/15/2004 10:50:58 AM EDT
[#30]
IBTL
11/15/2004 3:23:53 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:
i have a full auto p-90 and it beats a 10/22 anyday.



In what way?  Other than shooting indoors.  Which I used to do indoors anyway in my basement.  
Or did you mean full auto p-90 Vs. 'airsoft' 10/22?
11/15/2004 11:08:34 PM EDT
[#32]



Quoted:

Quoted:
i have a full auto p-90 and it beats a 10/22 anyday.



In what way?  Other than shooting indoors.  Which I used to do indoors anyway in my basement.  
Or did you mean full auto p-90 Vs. 'airsoft' 10/22?

11/16/2004 6:26:28 AM EDT
[#33]
Not this shit again...
11/21/2004 12:30:55 PM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
IBTL - Just for the count

I always wonder if shit like this is an atf newbie, or atf looking for n00bs, or a sheeple newbie



everyone has to learn somewhere.  i'm more concerned about the people that IM you and try to sell you illegal nfa items. -it has happened to me on another gun board.  




HECK this has happened to me on THIS board before...
11/26/2004 7:07:45 AM EDT
[#35]
I just wish I had registered a few dozen 10/22's before the May '86 MG ban. I could have become rich & retired by now.
11/27/2004 4:43:01 AM EDT
[#36]
One more thing, wants the ROF with the BMF like ?
11/27/2004 6:03:59 AM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:
One more thing, wants the ROF with the BMF like ?



Depends on how fast you turn the crank.

It is just a pencil sharpener-style crank that you turn. It engages the trigger, causing it to fire.
11/27/2004 3:33:48 PM EDT
[#38]
I believe I read in SAR about a guy who had a twin 10/22 setup, with the MG42 look a like kits, on a tripod that used the crank on one of the BMF Activators to turn the other Activator on the second rifle.  He had the Activators mounted alternately that way with one crank on the Activator it fired 4 or 8 times between the two 10/22's.  It was a great article and described how he built this setup using standard technology and parts available for the average person.  I believe he said that you can only turn the Activator crank so fast because at over 600 (?) RPM you get bolt bounce.
11/28/2004 4:15:29 AM EDT
[#39]
b-h -There is a gatling gun setup available for the 10/22 like what you describe.
        I'd stick to something that is pre-made and already BATF approved.
        Just a CYA thing.
11/28/2004 10:58:12 AM EDT
[#40]
I saw a registered kit for sale earlier thsi year for $6500.00.

I shot a full auto 10/22 with an integral suppressor and 100 round box. It was tons of fun. Pull the trigger and all you heard was the brrrrrp of the bolt and a handfull of brass hitting the ground.
11/28/2004 3:48:54 PM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:
b-h -There is a gatling gun setup available for the 10/22 like what you describe.
        I'd stick to something that is pre-made and already BATF approved.
        Just a CYA thing.



The BMF Activator is ATF approved.  It comes with a copy of the approval letter.

I checked and that issue is sold out.  Since it looks like SAR does not sell article reprints, anybody have a scan of that article (Vol. 1, #12, page 38 according to the SAR site)?

I am working on something similar, except it uses one 10/22 in the MG42 stock and a 2/3 scale copy of the MG42 Lafette tripod.  I got some milling done at my father-inlaws this weekend and just have to finish the gun attachments to the cradle and make an extension for the BMF activator.

The prototype is mostly copper tube but if I scare up some interest I plan on making production models out of  welded conduit.

11/28/2004 3:53:34 PM EDT
[#42]
Would I still be able to fire using the trigger with the BMF installed?
11/28/2004 6:58:25 PM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:
Would I still be able to fire using the trigger with the BMF installed?



No, but it takes about  30 seconds (at most ) to remove.

The BMF has three different size trigger acutators, so it works with a lot of guns.

One thing they don't mention in the instructions:  wrap your trigger guard with electrical tape where the screws tighten or it will scratch the finish.

11/29/2004 7:46:44 AM EDT
[#44]
Cpt Kirks...did you check ALL the distributors of SAR to see if maybe one of them still has a copy available?  It used to be much easier (and cheaper) back when LMO/Moose Lake Publishing had all the backissues of SAR because when they were sold out then nobody else had it, with the distributor setup that they have now one of them could be sold out on an issue but one of the others may have it.  SAR always has a page stating the names and contact #'s for the backissue distributors.  Good Luck!
11/29/2004 1:42:37 PM EDT
[#45]

Quoted:
Cpt Kirks...did you check ALL the distributors of SAR to see if maybe one of them still has a copy available?  It used to be much easier (and cheaper) back when LMO/Moose Lake Publishing had all the backissues of SAR because when they were sold out then nobody else had it, with the distributor setup that they have now one of them could be sold out on an issue but one of the others may have it.  SAR always has a page stating the names and contact #'s for the backissue distributors.  Good Luck!



I sent SAR an email about reprints and they told me the same thing.

I'll check...

Thanks.

12/1/2004 6:48:37 AM EDT
[#46]
Where would one get the BMF Activator for a 10/22? That sounds like alot of fun. I have heard that there is some sort of hand crank device you attach to the trigger and the faster you turn it obviously the faster the weapon shoots. Would the BMF be that device?


Thanks Bob.
12/1/2004 8:11:44 AM EDT
[#47]

Quoted:
Where would one get the BMF Activator for a 10/22? That sounds like alot of fun. I have heard that there is some sort of hand crank device you attach to the trigger and the faster you turn it obviously the faster the weapon shoots. Would the BMF be that device?


Thanks Bob.



Last I looked, there were three "gatling" type trigger cranks on the market (other than a couple of specialized ones designed for semi-auto M1919's and M2's).

There is the BMF Activator, which runs about $20.  I have one of these and it works pretty well.

There is the GAT Trigger Enhancment System, reviewed on this site.

And, just to confuse things, there is another "GAT" carried by gatlingguns.com.

I think the two GAT's run about $50.

As for where to get one, do a google search and go for the lowest price.  I got mine from Galati International.

Just be sure to look at your local laws.  While the BATF has approved these devices (they hit the trigger an are manually activated by the crank), some states ban them.

12/1/2004 2:14:34 PM EDT
[#48]
Iowa is one of the states that has ban on trigger enhancing devices such as the BMF, GAT, etc.  Then again Iowa has a ban on about anything fun...suppressors, SBR, SBS, DD and transferable full autos.
12/2/2004 6:24:08 AM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:
Iowa is one of the states that has ban on trigger enhancing devices such as the BMF, GAT, etc.  Then again Iowa has a ban on about anything fun...suppressors, SBR, SBS, DD and transferable full autos. hr


Ug.  That sux.  Ever considered moving?  Tennessee allows all of the above.

12/2/2004 2:52:49 PM EDT
[#50]
Actually I'm a member of a Class 3 FFL/SOT Corporation here in Iowa and have some transferable and Post-86 firearms already so I'm lucky even though I live in this state.  But STILL can't use one of the "trigger enhancement devices" on a semi auto in this state, so they're stored at other states that we have property in and play with them while we're there.  I always knew I'd move back here when I got out of the Air Force as all my family and friends (as well as my wifes) are back here, had I known about the dual-state residency clause when I got out of the military I would've never sold my NFA toys at that time.
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