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Posted: 11/10/2009 2:55:53 PM EDT
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I sooooo want a 10mm carbine. I know Olympic makes an AR15 upper and I have heard one other
manufacturer making a 10mm carbine, but is that it? |
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I too was wanting a 10mm PCC until balisticsbytheinch finally did 10mm testing. Not impressive at all out of 16 inches. How did it compare to .45acp out of a 16incher? Not in energy, but performance compared to a 6 inch barrel? I realize that the energy gain isn't there, that's not the point. The point is to have a carbine that uses the same ammo as my carry gun! |
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I too was wanting a 10mm PCC until balisticsbytheinch finally did 10mm testing. Not impressive at all out of 16 inches. http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/index.html Interesting site. I have to disagree with you. Yes, the 10mm lite stuff does act just like .40 S&W, but the full power loads, which outperform the standard autopistol rounds, also out perform them in a carbine, and the super premium Buffalo Bore ammo behaves more like .41 magnum. |
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I too was wanting a 10mm PCC until balisticsbytheinch finally did 10mm testing. Not impressive at all out of 16 inches. http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/index.html Interesting site. I have to disagree with you. Yes, the 10mm lite stuff does act just like .40 S&W, but the full power loads, which outperform the standard autopistol rounds, also out perform them in a carbine, and the super premium Buffalo Bore ammo behaves more like .41 magnum. The data on their website shows minimal 150ish fps gains from the hottest Buffalo Bore 10mm from pistol length to 16" MCS length. It also shows that 10mm peters out after about 13" and loses velocity from 16". It's also very comparable to 40S&W in any load they tested. I was hoping for gains similar to the .41, and .44 cartridges it's often compared to from the larger cased 10mm out of a carbine length barrel. No so much. Also hoping for a modern and more powerful version of the revolver/lever gun combo. From a 16" barrel the meager .357 whoops the snot out of 10mm. |
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The data on their website shows minimal 150ish fps gains from the hottest Buffalo Bore 10mm from pistol length to 16" MCS length. It also shows that 10mm peters out after about 13" and loses velocity from 16". It's also very comparable to 40S&W in any load they tested. I was hoping for gains similar to the .41, and .44 cartridges it's often compared to from the larger cased 10mm out of a carbine length barrel. No so much. Also hoping for a modern and more powerful version of the revolver/lever gun combo. From a 16" barrel the meager .357 whoops the snot out of 10mm. A 180 grain bullet traveling at 1399 fps produces 782 ft-lbs of energy. When traveling at 1573 fps it produces 989 ft-lbs. That's a 25 % increase in energy, which is nothing to sneeze at. Please tell me which .40 S&W load operates at this energy level. 
You are so caught up in one number, the change in velocity, that you completely fail to put these numbers in perspective. Among conventional autopistol rounds the full power 10mm is head and shoulders above the others. Firing it in a carbine does nothing to change this. Nope, its not a magnum revolver cartridge, and it never will be, it just doesn't burn enough powder. However, until some body makes a PCC in .45 Win mag or .50 AE, 10mm is the best you guys got, unless you're lucky enough to have a Ruger .44. I'll go ahead and admit it, the closest I've ever come to having a PCC belongs in the leverguns forum, but the 10mm is attractive. (Rossi Puma in .45 Colt, and a Marlin 1894 Cowboy in .44 Magnum) |
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The data on their website shows minimal 150ish fps gains from the hottest Buffalo Bore 10mm from pistol length to 16" MCS length. It also shows that 10mm peters out after about 13" and loses velocity from 16". It's also very comparable to 40S&W in any load they tested. I was hoping for gains similar to the .41, and .44 cartridges it's often compared to from the larger cased 10mm out of a carbine length barrel. No so much. Also hoping for a modern and more powerful version of the revolver/lever gun combo. From a 16" barrel the meager .357 whoops the snot out of 10mm. A 180 grain bullet traveling at 1399 fps produces 782 ft-lbs of energy. When traveling at 1573 fps it produces 989 ft-lbs. That's a 25 % increase in energy, which is nothing to sneeze at. Please tell me which .40 S&W load operates at this energy level.
You are so caught up in one number, the change in velocity, that you completely fail to put these numbers in perspective. Among conventional autopistol rounds the full power 10mm is head and shoulders above the others. Firing it in a carbine does nothing to change this. Nope, its not a magnum revolver cartridge, and it never will be, it just doesn't burn enough powder. However, until some body makes a PCC in .45 Win mag or .50 AE, 10mm is the best you guys got, unless you're lucky enough to have a Ruger .44. I'll go ahead and admit it, the closest I've ever come to having a PCC belongs in the leverguns forum, but the 10mm is attractive. (Rossi Puma in .45 Colt, and a Marlin 1894 Cowboy in .44 Magnum) Yes, this is correct! |
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I too was wanting a 10mm PCC until balisticsbytheinch finally did 10mm testing. Not impressive at all out of 16 inches. http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/index.html Interesting site. I have to disagree with you. Yes, the 10mm lite stuff does act just like .40 S&W, but the full power loads, which outperform the standard autopistol rounds, also out perform them in a carbine, and the super premium Buffalo Bore ammo behaves more like .41 magnum. 10mm is one of those cartridges that you can't get the full potential out of unless you reload or are willing to cough up for the good Buffalo Bore or corbon stuff. ETA: but as much as 10mm fans love their cartridge, they don't refer to 357, 41, and 44 as "magnums" for nothing. Those cartridges burn more powder. It's simple physics. Larger case capacity and larger powder charges, means lobbing the same weight hunk of lead at higher velocities. |
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Mech Tech CCU conversion available for 1911 or Glock frames. That way you can not only use the same cartridges as your handgun, you can use the same magazine. I can't speak to performance since I've only used mine at an indoor range, but it is a lot of fun and quite accurate given the range limitations.
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