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Posted: 8/6/2009 9:10:00 PM EDT
| Got some 173 gr 308 pulled bullets. Anyone have load data for them? |
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Check the "Service Rifle Loads" close to the bottom of the page........
http://www.radomski.us/njhp/cart_tech.htm Aloha, Mark |
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Check the "Service Rifle Loads" close to the bottom of the page........ http://www.radomski.us/njhp/cart_tech.htm Aloha, Mark Please do not do your fellow reloader a disservice by recommending a service rifle load as the default. See that warning about >>"op rod damage may result"<< That clues us the data is targeted only for M1 GARANDs and M-14s. If you're cautious, ask if he has a service rifle. But if he has an AR10, Remy 700, DPMS Panther, HK91 series, give the shooter modern reloading data. That's why shooters like zack-s ask about other powders, because of all the ?? in the load data! zack-s should not miss out on the better powders for 175gr projectiles, like Reloder 15. |
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Check the "Service Rifle Loads" close to the bottom of the page........ http://www.radomski.us/njhp/cart_tech.htm Aloha, Mark Please do not do your fellow reloader a disservice by recommending a service rifle load as the default. See that warning about >>"op rod damage may result"<< That clues us the data is targeted only for M1 GARANDs and M-14s. If you're cautious, ask if he has a service rifle. But if he has an AR10, Remy 700, DPMS Panther, HK91 series, give the shooter modern reloading data. That's why shooters like zack-s ask about other powders, because of all the ?? in the load data! zack-s should not miss out on the better powders for 175gr projectiles, like Reloder 15. DISSERVICE? The link provides reloading data/information and the "SERVICE LOADS" are entirely usable for weapons (bolt action, semi-auto and/or full auto) chambered in that caliber (.30-06 and/or .308 Win/7.62 NATO). IF you noticed........the OP did not specify his platform (rifle and/or caliber). IIRC............he merely asked for loading data for his pulled 173 gr. bullets (in .30 caliber). So, most would also assume (myself included), that he was asking for .30-06 and/or .308 Win./7.62 NATO data. And, I doubt that he was asking for data for "hunting loads." OK...........maybe he was/is planning on using the bullets for a different .30 caliber weapon other than the two I mentioned (i.e. a .300 Win. Mag. or other). In that case my post would have been of no use to him. But, I trust that the OP is smart enough NOT to use the linked information in that case. SO...........IF, he was talking about using his pulled bullets for .30-06 or .308 Win./7.62 NATO. Then, the data is there for him. He can also CHOOSE..............what he wants to do with the information. BTW..........I did note that the link cautioned about Op Rod damage when using bullets heavier than 168 grains in an M1. However, most folks (I know) follow these rules for reloading .30-06 cartridges for their M1............. Only medium burn rate powders are suitable for the M1's gas system. These keep chamber pressure below max and keep the gas port pressure within the design range. Back in the 50's the techies of Springfield Armory (the REAL one) gave the following two "M1 Gas System Safe Load Rules" to civilian shooters who were just being allowed access to the M1 rifle for Highpower competition:
1) NEVER shoot bullets HEAVIER than 180 grains 2) NEVER shoot powder that is SLOWER burn than IMR-4320 Violating either one of these two rules... i.e. slower powder OR a heavier bullet has the effect of raising the tail of the pressure curve (Where the bullet passes the port) above design spec. Military M2 loads can be duped with any flavor of 4895 and a 147-152 grain bullet. The perennial Highpower target load for the M1 for the last 4 decades has been a 168-175 grain target bullet over IMR-4064 powder. Please note that you CANNOT... rpt. CANNOT determine the suitability of a round for use in the M1 by muzzle velocity. It is quite possible that a round can be at the same muzzle velocity (Or lower) as an M2 round yet have a port pressure that is way over gas system spec. You MUST know the powder burn rate to know suitability for the M1. If in doubt, why risk it. Just my 2 bits, Swampy (posted on the AR15.com site) Anyway.........ignore it or follow it..........your choice. Then, as for the .308 Win./7.62 NATO Service Loads. ALL of the rifles that you have mentioned (i.e. AR10, Remy 700, DPMS Panther, HK91 series).........should function with service ammo made for an M1A/M14 (in .308 Win./7.62 NATO). Because, IMHO if they don't function with these Service Rifle Loads.........then, that would be the fault of the manufacturer of the rifle. Not so much the ammo (assuming the reloader did his part). I trust that the OP is smart enough to choose for himself what data he wants to use. I merely gave him some information. As for more modern data and/or powder (i.e. Reloader 15).............NO ONE SAID that you can't look for other sources of information. I say: "Use what works for you." Aloha, Mark |
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Check the "Service Rifle Loads" close to the bottom of the page........ http://www.radomski.us/njhp/cart_tech.htm Aloha, Mark Please do not do your fellow reloader a disservice by recommending a service rifle load as the default. See that warning about >>"op rod damage may result"<< That clues us the data is targeted only for M1 GARANDs and M-14s. If you're cautious, ask if he has a service rifle. But if he has an AR10, Remy 700, DPMS Panther, HK91 series, give the shooter modern reloading data. That's why shooters like zack-s ask about other powders, because of all the ?? in the load data! zack-s should not miss out on the better powders for 175gr projectiles, like Reloder 15. DISSERVICE? The link provides reloading data/information and the "SERVICE LOADS" are entirely usable for weapons (bolt action, semi-auto and/or full auto) chambered in that caliber (.30-06 and/or .308 Win/7.62 NATO). Anyway.........ignore it or follow it..........your choice. Quite defensive long rant I say: "Use what works for you." Aloha, Mark You were lazy in posting up a quick reply and I called you on it. Thou doth protest too much, me thinks! There are numerous sites that give the reloader a much more useful span of powders for the .308 than the narrow list required for 7.62mm service rifles. Now with just a little more research, here is an example of the wide range of loads available for zach-s Sierra Data Gee, there is even the BL-C(2) data zach-s asked about! 
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Got some 173 gr 308 pulled bullets. Anyone have load data for them? Where did you get them? They sound like they are not U.S. G.I. bullets if they are open tip. As nukem noted, M118 173 grain bullets were/are FMJ match. The US 173 grain M118/M72 bullets are very tough and build pressure higher than there weight would infer. I use 190 Sierra load data with good results. 40.5 grains of IMR-4064 and 41.5 grains of WW-748 are two loads that come to mind. You will not be able to get high velocities with the GI specimen. If yours has an open tip it's not the M118/M72 bullet. |
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Didnt meen to start a argument  . Ill use the data you gave me or wait for the manuals to get here in the mail. Thanks for your help.I wouldn't worry about it. Its just an arguement over who could help you the bestest and/or the fastest...
To avoid it in next time, just tell us what powders you have on hand, and what firearm(s) you want to be able to use your loads in. thanks, Brett 
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Check the "Service Rifle Loads" close to the bottom of the page........ http://www.radomski.us/njhp/cart_tech.htm Aloha, Mark Please do not do your fellow reloader a disservice by recommending a service rifle load as the default. See that warning about >>"op rod damage may result"<< That clues us the data is targeted only for M1 GARANDs and M-14s. If you're cautious, ask if he has a service rifle. But if he has an AR10, Remy 700, DPMS Panther, HK91 series, give the shooter modern reloading data. That's why shooters like zack-s ask about other powders, because of all the ?? in the load data! zack-s should not miss out on the better powders for 175gr projectiles, like Reloder 15. DISSERVICE? The link provides reloading data/information and the "SERVICE LOADS" are entirely usable for weapons (bolt action, semi-auto and/or full auto) chambered in that caliber (.30-06 and/or .308 Win/7.62 NATO). Anyway.........ignore it or follow it..........your choice. Quite defensive long rant I say: "Use what works for you." Aloha, Mark You were lazy in posting up a quick reply and I called you on it. Thou doth protest too much, me thinks! There are numerous sites that give the reloader a much more useful span of powders for the .308 than the narrow list required for 7.62mm service rifles. Now with just a little more research, here is an example of the wide range of loads available for zach-s Sierra Data Gee, there is even the BL-C(2) data zach-s asked about!
LAZY? And, called me on it? I try to give some information and YOU think it's suppose to cover everything under the sun? Jeez............ Aloha, Mark PS........I love the way you jumbled (cut up) my post to mis-quote me (and my intent). Please feel free to ignor my posts in the future. I certainly don't need your dis-tasteful "comments" meant only to insult ME. Ahhh........but, maybe that's your style of posting. Whatever.......have a nice day. And, FOR THE RECORD..............your link was a good one. Though I doubt that the OP's bullets were made by Sierra. |
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i dunno where yall are getting that m118 doesnt come with a recessed tip, all of the 118 lr that i shot the last time i was downrange had recessed tips. my commander flipped cause he thought i had brought hollow points, untill i opened a new sealed box and showed him some. |
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M118 and M118LR are two different rounds.
M118 uses a closed tip 172/173 grain bullet. It was used during the VN era (for killing, training and matches) with "good enough" accuracy (vs. ball ammo). As the OP was about 173 grain "pulled" bullets........I assume that this is what he has. Then, came the M852 Match Ammo. The M852 uses a 168 gr. (SMK) BTHP bullet. It has the knurl around the case body and in it's day was only used for Training and Match/Competition use (NOT FOR COMBAT USE). The story behind it was that someone pulled some M118 bullets off of ammo and replaced it with a 168 gr. SMK BTHP.......the scores increased and "Mexican Match" was born. Later, it was offered as a loaded round by the military and became type classified as M852. More reading on that subject............ http://www.shootersjournal.com/Features/2007/AShortHistoryofNationalMatchAmmo.pdf The current, M118LR uses a 175 gr. (SMK) BTHP (only the military calles it a OTM. Not BTHP. And thus, it's GTG for shooting people). More on that subject can be found here.............. http://www.locusmedius.com/2006/01/open_point_bull.html http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/003365.html http://www.blackfive.net/main/2006/01/army_jag_bans_e.html ______________________________________________________ Speaking of rifle bullets (NOT pistol bullets)........... "A rose (BTHP) by any other name is still a rose." But, only a lawyer (or the military) would claim that they are "different." In this case due to, "intended use and design." They are intended/designed for accuracy. And, are NOT intended/designed to expand/fragment. Thus, they are O.K. for shooting at the enemy. Note that the Sierra Catalog lists the 175 gr. BTHP.......it's the SAME bullet that the military calls 175 gr. OTM. So, OTM is an acceptable PC word, while BTHP is not PC. ______________________________________________________ More information about M118 and M852 can be found here......... http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/rifle/762mm_ammo.html More information on bullet tip "styles" can be found here............. http://www.locusmedius.com/2006/02/open_tip_bullet.html Aloha, Mark PS......the Sierra line of "Match King" bullets............ http://www.sierrabullets.com/index.cfm?section=bullets&page=rifle&brandID=1&displayAll=1 |
| The "new" M118LR, the "LR" being defining, is a 175 grain Sierra Match King bullet. It does have an open tip match hollow point. The old style M118 was a FMJ 173 grain open base (lead exposed at the base) bullet. This is where the confusion comes from. The M118 173 grain bullets actually weighed 174+ grains which doesn't help matters either. It's old style vs. new style. Since the acceptance of Sierra's Match Kings as legal under the Geneva convention the older 173 FMJ has been summarily discarded in favor of the new and much more accurate 175 SMK. The old style use to be sold to civilians for $6.00 a hundred back in the 1980's. |
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ma96782 and nukemmc. Thanks for clearing that up. I thought I was losing it faster than usual. 173 FMJ vs. 175 HPBT.
I still have some M118 and it is FMJ. Bought a bunch of pulled 173's as well. IMO neither cartridge or bullet will perform as well as 168 or 175 SMK's. I can't reproduce the load data for M118 in LC brass. The original load is higher than shown on supplied link. Pressures are too high for my taste. Primers come out looking like top hats. See Cartridges of the World or Gun Digest 1968 for the original load. "Service Rifle Loads" is very close to what I use with H 4895, in an M14 and bolt gun. 458 |
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