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Posted: 4/25/2009 11:29:00 AM EDT
| Anybody use Winchester 748 powder for 45 ACP if so how many grains for a 200 grain bullet? |
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748 is a rifle powder, great for .223, .308 and 30-06. Hodgdon does not have the powder listed for .45 ACP. Reloading data linked below.
http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp |
| I'm working up a load with bullseye for the .45acp 200gr. lswc. I've been using bullseye for years, in several different 1911 makes and models. I have used several other powders but for me the bullseye always seems to be the most accurate, and it's not as dirty as it once was. As far as bullseye, with CCI primers and Speer cases, I'm showing 3.6 to start and about 4.2 as a high, even though that isn't necessarily max, and some are showing max at 4.8, but I don't know if I want to go that high. I will be loading these and chronying these in the next hour, and I will let you know how it works. |
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Quoted: Anybody use Winchester 748 powder for 45 ACP if so how many grains for a 200 grain bullet?  The burn rate is WAY TOO SLOW. Full ignition would probably never happen as it takes pressure to fully ignite propellents. And the bullet will move long before full ignition, reducing pressure and halting full ignition. Case capacity and peak pressure dictate what propellents work in a specific cartridge. The .45 ACP has a large bore and tiny capacity so only the fastest propellents will work. 748 is for large capacitity cases with small bores. |
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I'm working up a load with bullseye for the .45acp 200gr. lswc. I've been using bullseye for years, in several different 1911 makes and models. I have used several other powders but for me the bullseye always seems to be the most accurate, and it's not as dirty as it once was. As far as bullseye, with CCI primers and Speer cases, I'm showing 3.6 to start and about 4.2 as a high, even though that isn't necessarily max, and some are showing max at 4.8, but I don't know if I want to go that high. I will be loading these and chronying these in the next hour, and I will let you know how it works. I use 4gr Bullseye in my practice/plinking loads with 200gr LSWC. Nice shooting and accurate load and has worked great in both mine and a friends 1911s. |
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Get a reloading manual.
That will tell you what powder goes best with each cartridge. Each bullet weight will list 8 to 10 different suitable powders with each cartridge. And also explain the difference between pistol and rifle powder, different primers, tools, ect. Without basic knowledge reloading be a dangerous endeavor. If you follow the written instructions in a reloading manual, you can save money over factory loads and be safe. Good luck. |
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Speer cases, CCI Large Pistol primers, Magnus #802 200 gr. lead semi wadcutter bevel base .45 cal projos.
3.6 grains bullseye, 668fps 4.0 gr. bullseye, 735fps 4.3gr bullseye, 770 fps 4.6gr. bullseye, 820 fps Pistol, Para Ordnace P14.45 chronographed 15ft from muzzle, Chronograph-Chrony Master temp 85 degrees f notes... all rounds fed flawlessly, no failures of any kind, no signs of excessive pressure, however, 4.0 to 4.3 gr. is nominal and will be tested for accuracy. These results are for my pistol only, if you reload for yours, start at the minimum listed and never exceed the maximum, check for signs of pressure as you go. Refer to more than one manual as mins. and maxes WILL be different. If max is the only one listed, start at 10% of the number shown, and work up. If you use different cases, primers, or anything else, there will be a velocity and PRESSURE difference. Good luck. If you have any questions, check out the reloading section or IM me or one of the other guys. If you have someone that you know who is an experienced reloader, get him to help you set everything up and walk you through it, that's what most of us here have done. We were all begginers once, and now it's second nature. Soon, you will find yourself offering sage advice to the new guys, keeping the tradition alive and well. |
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Curious. Does the brand of case make a difference in reloading. Is there a difference between nickle and brass cases. No, not really. Just stay away from brands that are known to be crappy, namely AMERC. This warrants a thread of it's own. 
And yeah, not sure why the OP here is askin' about loading data for .45ACP with a rifle powder..................................................................................................................... |
| Yes, some cases are heavier than others. The cases have to be the same on the outside to fit in the chamber, so that means that some brands are thicker than others, and that difference is on the inside part of the case. A heavier case will have less room on the inside for powder, less volume when the bullet is seated. Less volume with the same amount of powder means more pressure, and more pressure equals more veocity. To much pressure, and the case is expanded beyond it's ability to stretch, deforming the case, or worse rupturing it and possibly the firearm and even the shooter. Different brands of cases will cause variations in pressure,different brands of primers will do this, as will the depth that you seat the bullet. If you're shooting a mild load, it may not be that great, but if you're loading them close to max, even one of these changes could be catastrophic. I hope this helps. |
| nickle and brass isn't that much different if from the same company. But the brand makes a huge difference if loading the same load. Even American Eagle is fine if you work the load up. My neighbor uses them in max loadings for his .44 mag Ruger, no problems. I use them in my .45 acp, and 9mm, but not for max loads. I only use Starline brass for my max loads. |
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Yes, some cases are heavier than others. The cases have to be the same on the outside to fit in the chamber, so that means that some brands are thicker than others, and that difference is on the inside part of the case. A heavier case will have less room on the inside for powder, less volume when the bullet is seated. Less volume with the same amount of powder means more pressure, and more pressure equals more veocity. To much pressure, and the case is expanded beyond it's ability to stretch, deforming the case, or worse rupturing it and possibly the firearm and even the shooter. Different brands of cases will cause variations in pressure,different brands of primers will do this, as will the depth that you seat the bullet. If you're shooting a mild load, it may not be that great, but if you're loading them close to max, even one of these changes could be catastrophic. I hope this helps. Yes, this is why you work up when changing components, such as brand of brass, when dealing with max./near max. loads. |
| I think the question she was asking is the difference between cases with the same loading. That is how I read it, if I'm wrong on the question, that;s fine, but my answer stands. I believe she was asking as someone who isn't a reloader yet or is just getting into it. Your answer is correct as well, most people that reload already know that. |
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Curious. Does the brand of case make a difference in reloading. Is there a difference between nickle and brass cases. I use Starline brass (the brass brass) I purchase for my hot loads. As far as the range pickups I use for plinking (mid range loads) I notice that I get more split mouths with the nickle plated brass. Doesn't seem to matter what brand. Of course there's no way of knowing the history of range pickups, so it's hard to tell. I'm picking up a lot of Speer nickle plated these days- well, not a lot, but most of what's there is Speer. I load 115gr 9mm plinkers @ 1100-1150 fps for my HiPower. I don't load 9mm any hotter. For .357 out of a Ruger GP100 or 10mm for a S&W model 610 it's Starline brass and balls to the wall. 
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Well anyone with any brains would check a relaoding manual first before posting such an assine question. Just shows how little effort you put into this. Geez! You need to grow up and fly right! Quoted:
Just to calm everybody I do not use it for 45 ACP just my .223 and it works great I was just wondering if it was possible I wouldnt do it if it wasnt safe. |
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Well anyone with any brains would check a relaoding manual first before posting such an assine question. Just shows how little effort you put into this. Geez! You need to grow up and fly right! Quoted:
Just to calm everybody I do not use it for 45 ACP just my .223 and it works great I was just wondering if it was possible I wouldnt do it if it wasnt safe. I had looked it up and couldnt find anything so I wasnt going to do it but thought hey I'd just ask some of the good guys on arfcom, except I get a verbal beating from douche bag asshats like yourself. Fuck you very much and have a nice day
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CHILL OUT.This isn't GD. The original question is far outside 6 sigma of the questions asked here. Veteran reloaders are too quick and sometimes snap off an answer. About the slowest practical powder for .45 ACP is Blue Dot, a magnum shotgun propellent for 12 and 10 gauge. The fastest practical is Bullseye which has no shotshell equivalent. Don't just go on shotshell equivalents because there is ALWAYS a curveball...for instance, the .410" bore (actually about 67 gauge) uses propellents which correspond to magnum handgun rates, like IMR 4227, W-296, 2400 and the like. These are also good for .30 US Carbine, .22 Hornet and .218 Bee. This info helps the experienced shotshell reloader who is going into metallic reloading. |
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