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Posted: 11/18/2008 12:28:24 PM EDT
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Ive seen the red rock arms rifle and Ive seen a few sar-4800s in 5.56. Im no fal expert by any means so excuse me if Im beating a dead horse.
I was this rifle to be something I can use for home defense, and in a SHTF situation. Would the red rock be up to that? Does anyone know any anything else (sub $1700) available out there in 5.56? |
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I would (and do) rely on an AR for my .223 SHTF needs. I'd take a Springfield SAR4800 in a pinch, but there's no f'n way I'd rely on a Red Rock ATR-1 for serious business. (Google Bobcat Weapons and Todd Bailey––draw your own conclusions)
I like the FAL platform....robust, easy to maintain. A DSA FAL is sitting within 3 feet of me, and there's a 50/50 chance that it'll be the rifle I'll grab if SHTF––but it's a .308. The AR platform is more ergonomic and has better sights and trigger. Maintenance is easier, parts are more available, platform is modular, and the AR is more accurate. I'd choose a .308 AR over the FAL but the 2 I've owned seemed to be a bit delicate for a battle rifle. |
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The AR platform is more ergonomic and has better sights and trigger. Maintenance is easier, parts are more available, platform is modular, and the AR is more accurate. not meaning to start an argument here but I am intrigued to hear how the ar platform offers easier maintenance over the fal. I can shoot a few hundreds rounds out of my fal and there is little carbon to clean however if you pull the trigger 5 times on an ar it is dirtier than an fal that has had a few hundred rounds through the tube. I'm talking about internals here not the barrel. Just curious. I would still probably go for the ar over the fal in a shtf also just because I am far more familiar with it than I am the fal. |
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The AR platform is more ergonomic and has better sights and trigger. Maintenance is easier, parts are more available, platform is modular, and the AR is more accurate. not meaning to start an argument here but I am intrigued to hear how the ar platform offers easier maintenance over the fal. I can shoot a few hundreds rounds out of my fal and there is little carbon to clean however if you pull the trigger 5 times on an ar it is dirtier than an fal that has had a few hundred rounds through the tube. I'm talking about internals here not the barrel. Just curious. I would still probably go for the ar over the fal in a shtf also just because I am far more familiar with it than I am the fal. He most likely means the DI gas tube |
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The AR platform is more ergonomic and has better sights and trigger. Maintenance is easier, parts are more available, platform is modular, and the AR is more accurate. not meaning to start an argument here but I am intrigued to hear how the ar platform offers easier maintenance over the fal. I can shoot a few hundreds rounds out of my fal and there is little carbon to clean however if you pull the trigger 5 times on an ar it is dirtier than an fal that has had a few hundred rounds through the tube. I'm talking about internals here not the barrel. Just curious. I would still probably go for the ar over the fal in a shtf also just because I am far more familiar with it than I am the fal. fair enough  Most of what I meant by 'maintenance' is related to weapon repairs, not cleaning. More special tools are required to perform replacement of parts on the FAL than on the AR.
it's a certainty that the AR is more difficult to clean, and it needs it more often. |
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gotcha. There are definitely a lot more ar's running around than fal's. They are kinda like the chevy 350 of the gun community. First, I'm no expert. But I suspect that this statement is incorrect. With more than 90 countries adopting the FN, I'd bet that there are a LOT more FNs out there. Now if your talking about the American civilian ownership, I would give you that. |
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Ive seen the red rock arms rifle and Ive seen a few sar-4800s in 5.56. Im no fal expert by any means so excuse me if Im beating a dead horse. I was this rifle to be something I can use for home defense, and in a SHTF situation. Would the red rock be up to that? Does anyone know any anything else (sub $1700) available out there in 5.56? Adventurer_96 over at the Files has a Meeper conversion upper with AR-mag block for $800, I believe. He has a post in Marketplace. If you can find a complete FAL lower (they're non-registered; opposite of ARs) you'd be in business. Or buy a regular 7.62 NATO FAL, and switch out uppers at your whim. Best, JBR |
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