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Posted: 6/8/2012 8:15:09 PM EDT
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Im wanting to load some lead round nose for my 9mm using 125gr LRN and Titegroup. My book doesnt have LRN and neither does Hodgdon's website. The do show 125gr LCN. Is lcn the "flat nose" bullet? Here is Hodgdon's info\ 125gr lcn 3.6gr max 4.0 COL 1.125" Is the load correct and the COL would be different since the bullets are different? Thanks! VRMN ETA: Im kind of anal but Id rather be anal to the good side. |
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LCN is a conical bullet. I had to load at 1.095" to chamber in my short-throated CZ-75B when I loaded MBC 125gr LRNs. Start low and work your way up, just as you should anyway...you'll be fine. 
I load for my CZ-75B at 1.075" OAL and 3.8 gr Tite-Group with 124 gr LRN. The bullets are from a local caster using Magma molds, like Oregon Trail Bullets. Averaged about 1050 fps to insure I was over the power factor floor. |
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Quoted: Im wanting to load some lead round nose for my 9mm using 125gr LRN and Titegroup. My book doesnt have LRN and neither does Hodgdon's website. The do show 125gr LCN. Is lcn the "flat nose" bullet? Here is Hodgdon's info\ 125gr lcn 3.6gr max 4.0 COL 1.125" Is the load correct and the COL would be different since the bullets are different? Thanks! VRMN ETA: Im kind of anal but Id rather be anal to the good side.  I load a LCN, Lead Conical Nose, 122 gr for my CZ 85. The 2 on the left. I use an OAL of 1.065. I've used Power Pistol, True Blue, and Unique before settling on Clays. I was surprised when I looked at my notes to find I hadn't tried TiteGroup with this bullet. Seems I only used TiteGroup with 115 FMJ. But have done several large batches of these.  In Lyman's Cast Bullet Handbook #4 page 248, they list a 124 CN (RCBS mold) with an OAL of 1.050. Shows TiteGroup charges; start 3.4 for 987 fps, max 3.8 for 1103 fps. This is a great manual for getting cast bullet loads, has many more cast bullet loads than Lyman 49.  With 2 CZ posts ahead of me, thought I would throw this pic in. |
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I'll second what chrome308 stated i found titegroup did not work well for my lead loads,try hp-38 win231 same powders.For my cast bullets i've had better luck with slower powders. Out of curiosity, how many grains of 231 are you loading under 125g lead bullets? |
| I'm using 125gn bullet with 3.6gr. of hp-38 c.o.a.l 1.085 nice soft shooting load no leading out of my xdm and glock 19.Manual shows start load of 3.3gr to 4.0 max.Most lead bullets have to be seated deeper to chamber,that raises pressure remember that when approaching max loads. |
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Quoted: SEE, Ive been getting the good and bad reports on TG I've shot hundreds on the 125 gn lead round nose loaded with 4 gns of titegroup seated at 1.090. I have absolutely no problems with this load. I have also loaded them with universal clays but I don't remember the load off the top of my head.  Thanks for all the replies. I think I will pick up some HP eventually too and try it out. |
| Did not mean to imply tg was bad i use it in some jacketed loads just did not find the right combo for the bullets i cast.The only problem i have with tg is it has very little case fill,makes finding a potential double or even triple charge hard.I like powders that work well and give good case fill,hp-38,unique,n320 aa#7,power pistol, with n320 being my fav.a double charge will spill out of the case.Working on a load using n320 and lead |
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Quoted: I understand. Did not mean to imply tg was bad i use it in some jacketed loads just did not find the right combo for the bullets i cast.The only problem i have with tg is it has very little case fill,makes finding a potential double or even triple charge hard.I like powders that work well and give good case fill,hp-38,unique,n320 aa#7,power pistol, with n320 being my fav.a double charge will spill out of the case.Working on a load using n320 and lead  |
| I'm currently running 4.4gr. of HP-38 with 124gr. Lee TLRN seated to 1.156 OAL. These chrono @ 1097 out of a PT-92. I'm getting some minor leading. Leading has been an issue, I found that the bore of this gun is .357 and my 6 cav. mold has been dropping them @ .356 - .3575. Lapped mold > .358 and things are much better. Also got a lot of case soot / lead plate at lower loads, like 3.9 gr. More pressure seems to seal case better. Also tried Clays & Power Pistol with cast but got lots of lead, haven't re-tried with the larger bullets though. |
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I'm currently running 4.4gr. of HP-38 with 124gr. Lee TLRN seated to 1.156 OAL. These chrono @ 1097 out of a PT-92. This is why I posed the question earlier. (Sorry for the hijack OP) I keep seeing these 3.XX loads posted and I thought I might be doing something wrong. Both my Lyman 48th manual and Hogdons web site show 4.4 as max for W231 and a 125g lead bullet. I get better accuracy at the higher load. 4.4 W231 1.080 OAL (Has to fit 2 1911s, an XDm and a Lone Wolf glock bbl.) 122g Dardas LFP 1088fps from a 5" 1911 |
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I just started trying lead in 9mm (been doing it for years in 45 ACP and 44 mag). It seems 3.8 of Titegroup under a lead 124/125 is the most accurate in my M&P and RIA. Chrono is going to the range next trip.
Note: 3.6 and 3.7 were not good in my guns at my COL (I think it was 1.25"). They functioned fine with no setback but did not group well at 17 yards. |
| Yeah, 4.4 is from Hogdon's latest printed manual and is listed under 125gr. lead conical nosed seated to 1.125 and they're showing 1086 for velocity. I'm not sure if their online data is as complete. These shot very accurate for me. At 3.9 the accuracy was not as good and the ejected cases dribbled onto your head plus the aforementioned case blow-by. |
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Im wanting to load some lead round nose for my 9mm using 125gr LRN and Titegroup. My book doesnt have LRN and neither does Hodgdon's website. The do show 125gr LCN. Is lcn the "flat nose" bullet? Here is Hodgdon's info 125gr lcn 3.6gr max 4.0 COL 1.125" Is the load correct and the COL would be different since the bullets are different? Thanks! VRMN ETA: Im kind of anal but Id rather be anal to the good side. Quick question, what gun are you shooting this out of? |
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3.6 - 4.0 grains would give you a pretty hot 9mm load. A minor power factor load I've been using Precision Bullets (moly) is 3.4 grains. It chronos at about 130 PF and shows no pressure signs. I've used this load for about 3 years in various guns with very few issues.
Cross reference with what you have with other manuals. If I recall, a 4.0 grain load was really hot, around 1200 fps. Also, you can always check the Enos forum, there are tons of loads there. |
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I tried Titegroup, HP-38, Bullseye and AA#5 with 125g LRN. After lots of testing I settled on a load with AA#5 that worked the best in my CZ75B. Very accurate and the least leading of all the ones I tested. All loads were with Missouri Bullet samll ball 125g LRN with OAL of 1.06 and Win SP primers. All were 10 shot strings. (couldn't find the HP-38 data)
Listed as Powder charge - FPS - ES - SD Titegroup (TG loads leaded heavily) 3.7g - 1045 - 40.07 - 14.31 4.0g - 1085 - 34.91 - 11.61 Bullseye 4.3g - 1134 - 32.68 - 12.08 4.6g - 1173 - 43.91 - 15.87 AA#5 5.3g - 1031 - 23.39 - 9.27 5.6g - 1069 - 18.46 - 6.24 The AA#5 load of 5.6 works best in my CZ YMMV |
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