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Posted: 6/30/2012 10:55:43 AM EDT
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I just started reloading 9mm for my double stack Caspian 1911 today, and ran into some issues trying to reload Berry's 124gr FN bullets. I've only got Bullseye powder at home, so that's what I'm using. According to Alliant's website, Bullseye load for 124gr should be 4.4gr, seated to 1.2" max OAL. Seating to 1.2" OAL however, makes it so my 1911 will not go into battery. I have to shorten it all the way down to 1.050" OAL for the gun to go into battery. However, I've also noticed that the shorter the OAL, the more reliable the feeding. So my question is, what's the minimum OAL for a 9mm round? Or- if I'm using a smaller OAL than the recommended, does that mean I have to down-charge from 4.4 gr? Thanks all. ** Also, on a semi-related note, anyone here using the powder through expander for their LnL AP for 9mm? I'm trying to use it, but I think the PTX isn't long enough, because I bottom out the powder dropper onto the shell plate way before the lever on the drum is at its max. (It gets about halfway up before I bottom out)- anyone find a fix for this?
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Am using Universal powder die with bell die.
But I'm not running a powder cop, case feeder or bullet feeder either. Mine will stay as is. It's use is geared to rifle and utility like size, deprime and bell pistol brass before moving to 550 for Harrells, Schuetzen powder measure, seating and taper crimp. As long as bullet ogive stays above case mouth, feed ability comes before powder. Then take into account increased pressure and start working load to desired velocity using chrongraph. Simple as that. I will seat projectiles minus powder and primer for optimum feed ability oal. Then set those aside for trouble shooting and tuning. Work loads smart. |
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The round will chamber at 1.050", but even at 1.025", it won't feed reliably if I rack the slide manually. I'm closing in on the ogive too. Noticing a bunch of deformities on the nose of the bullet too. Barrel isn't ramped; neither is the frame- could this be to blame?
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Quoted: Have you shot any factory ammo through it? If so, what works?The round will chamber at 1.050", but even at 1.025", it won't feed reliably if I rack the slide manually. I'm closing in on the ogive too. Noticing a bunch of deformities on the nose of the bullet too. Barrel isn't ramped; neither is the frame- could this be to blame? A flat nosed bullet with no ramp is generally not a good combo. That may be the largest part of the problem. I had a Browning Hi-Power years ago that didn't like anything but round-nosed FMJ and it was ramped. Finally re-contoured the ramp slightly, and shot short JHP bullets fine. Sorry to say I'm not familiar with that particular pistol. Also, depending on the actual length of the bullet, at 1.05", it may be producing too much pressure with 4.4 grains of Bullseye. The longer the bullet for a fixed cartridge overall length, the less case capacity... more pressure. Do the fired cases eject properly? That is all... |
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Well hell,
They's about three ways we could go here. Yes, your barrel throat probably could use a little more work. I can promise extractor needs work. We know factory feeds fine, so try some 115 grain Raniers. Projectile is a long conical shape that negotiates feed channel very well. 124 hrain Hornady Haps perform best with longer oal. In fact we seat those shallow and keep working down until feedable. We always have a lot of bearing surface exposed between case mouth and ogive. What magazines are you....never mind, this is a double stack. Aint'in it ? You need to come see me sometime. We can meet at indoor a\c range. You bring pistol, components and your happy self. I'll bring tools, patience and time along with my range reloading pack. Afterwards you can buy me a steak dinner at Colton's. At days end your 2011 will run like a machine gun mounted by raped apes with sights trained on King Kong. You'll also be tired of watching me loose shit, but you'll be a lot more pistol smart than when you arrived. |
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Quoted: That should do it.Shot 250 rounds of federal and remington rn 115gr and it works just fine; also ejects just fine. I got the 124 gr fn because thats all grafs had in stock. I might need to get some rn... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Widner's just got in some IMI 9mm 115g and 124g RN FMJ bullets from IMI. $41.00/500 plus shipping. Haven't used any of those, but have been extremely happy with IMI's 5.56 loaded ammo. In 9mm, I really like Zero Bullets, but they're hard to come by right now in smaller quantities. Powder Valley and CZ Custom sell them in 500 round boxes... when they can get them. Best of Luck! That is all... |
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Quoted: You need to come see me sometime. We can meet at indoor a\c range. You bring pistol, components and your happy self. I'll bring tools, patience and time along with my range reloading pack. Afterwards you can buy me a steak dinner at Colton's. At days end your 2011 will run like a machine gun mounted by raped apes with sights trained on King Kong. You'll also be tired of watching me loose shit, but you'll be a lot more pistol smart than when you arrived. Damn 1911smith... you're a lifesaver. I'm moving down to STL in early August- I'll make sure to send you a PM soon afterwards. Really want this guy to run smooth for the Rockcastle 3G. |
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Holy crap OP: I gotta ask: what do you expect from this gun?
Look: 1911 Smith ID'd some issues here. But, -you are shooting a CUSTOM CASPIAN 1911. Most guys bothering with a Caspian (which CANNOT be bought as a "factory gun" and is, by definition, a custom 1911 in a non-standard caliber for the 1911) are shooting "9 Major"). 1911 Smith ID'd the issue you seem to have with an unusually short throat. Your current throat migh be OK with Bullseye "bunny-fart" loads. But you might be happier all-around with a longer throat on your gun. Exploer that with local smiths or others familiar with building a reliable 9mm 1911. As for what most Caspian 1911 9mm guys are doing: consider a ramped barrel instead. Such barrels are completely supported. What will that do? -a ramped barrel 9mm 1911 with a long throat takes 1911 9mm ammo loaded out to 1.200" (no- such ammo will NOT fit in the mag of a M9. Beretta 92, Sig, or Glock 9mm). At that OAL, you can easily and safely boost velocity to .357 Sig levels - over 1330 FPS for a 124 grn bullet. Think about how strong your Caspian 1911 is: then consider building a gun that handles appropriate ammo (unless you just want a bunny-fart gun) 
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That bitch will spew fire when we get done. You'll derive such pleasures from your newly tuned handgun and feel so guilty after shooting.
You'll go home and confess to something better than sex with your wife. You'll say your new love's name is bam, bam and would she see her way to a threesome. It's happened before. One guy was slapped by his wife after apologizing for cheating. He was red in the cheeks before she slowed down enough to say his desire wasn't a woman. He was in love with a hand gun. |
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CBR900,
You're reading into this a little much. Slow down, take a deep breath. Knighthawk assembled and fitted by hand best he could. Chamber isn't the issue. It's ready for tuning phase. I usually bring tool box, range bag, reloading pack and several pistols. Tuning is usually a 4 hour process, sometimes 8. I do this type of work often. It's a natural part of reloading to me. Tuned cartridge needs tuned pistol for optimum performance. |
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In an example of truly awesome CS, I called up Berry and asked if they could exchange these 124gr FNs for RNs, and they agreed- even though I bought these originally through Graf's a few months ago, and I've used up about 15 already. Great service- truly appreciated  1911smith- Even though this is a quick fix so I can have some usable rounds, I'm still going to hit you up when I get to STL so I can get it absolutely reliable; that, and I always like learning about my guns if you don't mind.
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I have had the same problem in a CZ with Berrys, FP and HP 9mm. You will have to push them in (reseat and check) until they will chamber, and need to pay attention to pressure. After they feed OK in that platform, they may be too short to run well in a 9mm platform AR15. There is nothing wrong with your gun. Consider swapping to round nose. Unfortunately I had bought about 4000 of the HP, but ended up blasting them out of my 9mm at pumpkins last Halloween. Don't exchange them boolits. Shipping will kill you, even in flat rate boxes. Sell them on your local Craigs List. |
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