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Posted: 3/28/2009 10:38:34 AM EDT
A lurker buddy picked up his AUG on Thursday. Today despite 35mph winds and 45* degree temps we hit the range to see if she would digest a smorgesborg of cheap ammo. Wolf, Brownbear, Armscorp all worked perfectly. The only issue we had was a mag spitting out the top round when seated hard into the receiver. This may have had to do with the fact that we got her toasty warm with a couple 30 and 42 round mag dumps. perhaps the feed lips softened up just enough to not hold the round. Once it cooled we had no further problems. We got it zeroed at 100 yards and it shot about 2 MOA with crappy ammo. The optic is a Millett DPS 1-4x. As a lefty I struggled but managed. If it was mine a lefty bolt would be on order. One thing to note is that if you have the VFG folded up do not wrap your fingers too far around it and touch the gas chamber, that fucker gets HOT  
The rifle appears to be very well built and functioned well. It is very handy and will make a sweet house clearing gun with the addition of a light. Proud father: 
Serial number 21 Bitches! 
Getting it on paper: 
Brass Flying 
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Quoted: Not only burn marks, I blew out a seam on my rest bag from gas pressure.Congrats! Always good to see a positive report and a happy face. PS, not only does the gas chamber/block get hot it can and will leave slight burn marks on your grip. Ask me how I know. |
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What you think about the height of the rail? Do you think Back Up Iron Sights would be doable to do a true cowitness? The rail height worker out perfectly with the Armalite base and Millet optic. We discussed a different optic, such as an Eotech that would give more space on the rail for a BUIS. As you can see there isnt enough room with the Millet, not would you need anything since there isnt a battery or anything else to shit the bed and make the scope useless other then a incoming round My buddy wants a 4x optic and had the Millet from another project. I dont know if he will leave it of change it out. I suspect after dropping $2200 on the rifle and $400 more on magazines, it will stay for a while. We discussed a small doctor optic mounted on the light rail on the right side that could be used for real wet work. It looked like you could cant the rifle over and have a perfect site picture down the side. The only concern would be making sure your face was clear of the ejection port. This think throws the brass back at 5 o'clock violently 
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Hello, I'm the lurker 03PSD posted for. I've been around her for many years.
To answer your question silenttype I think irons would cowitness, but with the Milett there is not enough room. I see that ten mile has posted his review and it seems that we have the same crack dealer. The other thing that I notices was that the gun had very little recoil. Also the charging handle is very close to the rail when in the locked position. |
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The other thing that I notices was that the gun had very little recoil. Also the charging handle is very close to the rail when in the locked position. The recoil is a trademark of the design and is one reason i bought my STG. The charging handle will be close to the rail/optic on any AUG platform, just how it was designed. if this is your first AUG, you will probably have to get used to the charging handle. Does it reciprocate while being fired btw? I was wondering that and never found an answer. and congrats on the rifle, glad you like it 
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The only issue we had was a mag spitting out the top round when seated hard into the receiver. This may have had to do with the fact that we got her toasty warm with a couple 30 and 42 round mag dumps. perhaps the feed lips softened up just enough to not hold the round. Once it cooled we had no further problems. I had this happen when shooting my friend's AUG. He touches on it in his article on the American AUGs that is in the April 2008 issue of SWAT magazine. If you ram the magazine into the magwell too hard it will sometimes pop the top round out. This happens with both Steyr and MSAR mags and with both guns.. If you try holding a fully magazine in one hand and then hit the bottom hard with another, it will probably pop a round out from the top. Answers are to not slam the magazines hard into the magazine well. You may still do this under stress, so practice either tilting the gun sideways when you lock a magazine in or tilt the gun sideways when you pull back the charging handle to chamber a round. This way if a round does come loose it will pop out of the ejection port. |
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The only issue we had was a mag spitting out the top round when seated hard into the receiver. This may have had to do with the fact that we got her toasty warm with a couple 30 and 42 round mag dumps. perhaps the feed lips softened up just enough to not hold the round. Once it cooled we had no further problems. I had this happen when shooting my friend's AUG. He touches on it in his article on the American AUGs that is in the April 2008 issue of SWAT magazine. If you ram the magazine into the magwell too hard it will sometimes pop the top round out. This happens with both Steyr and MSAR mags and with both guns.. If you try holding a fully magazine in one hand and then hit the bottom hard with another, it will probably pop a round out from the top. Answers are to not slam the magazines hard into the magazine well. You may still do this under stress, so practice either tilting the gun sideways when you lock a magazine in or tilt the gun sideways when you pull back the charging handle to chamber a round. This way if a round does come loose it will pop out of the ejection port. Interesting but what you described is exactly what happened, We did try it out of the gun as well and got the same result. Maybe next generation mags should have steel feed lips. 
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I have experienced this with other AUGs as well. My friend has an Australian Army manual that warns about slamming the mags in because the top round can jump out. Then when you release the charging handle it will try feeding it an additional round which will cause a doublefeed.
The manual recommends tilting the gun to the side when loading so that the ejection port is facing the ground so that any round that pops out will hit the ground rather than cause a doublefeed. |
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Interesting but what you described is exactly what happened, We did try it out of the gun as well and got the same result. Maybe next generation mags should have steel feed lips. It definetely wouldn't hurt and IMHO it is the weakest link of the AUG/MSAR magazine design. Thermal expansion can effect the feedlip even though the feedlip of an AUG/MSAR magazine is more substantial than that of the AR magazine design. Unfortunately the only polymer magazine I know that has a metal feed-lip are the Lancer Magazines and I believe they have a fresh patent on that. Steyr has a NATO stock option for early AUGs, but I'm not sure how you would keep the A3's bolt release without modification of the old NATO stocks. The MSAR STG-556 E4 stock is not yet available. Steyr seems to have no current plan for an A3 NATO stock so for now we just have to roll with it unless you get a TPD AXR and then you don't get the bolt release. It's not a HUGE problem, but it's an issue right now. |
The tech guy at Steyr said the Nato stock will not fit because of the longer rail interface on the top of the rifle.
He did mention that it could be modified to work if someone wanted to do a little retrofitting  .
Maybe someday if they can get out enough rifles out they will produce a A3 specific Nato stock... And a 20" 1/7 twist barrel!
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The only issue we had was a mag spitting out the top round when seated hard into the receiver. This may have had to do with the fact that we got her toasty warm with a couple 30 and 42 round mag dumps. perhaps the feed lips softened up just enough to not hold the round. Once it cooled we had no further problems. I had this happen when shooting my friend's AUG. He touches on it in his article on the American AUGs that is in the April 2008 issue of SWAT magazine. If you ram the magazine into the magwell too hard it will sometimes pop the top round out. This happens with both Steyr and MSAR mags and with both guns.. If you try holding a fully magazine in one hand and then hit the bottom hard with another, it will probably pop a round out from the top. Answers are to not slam the magazines hard into the magazine well. You may still do this under stress, so practice either tilting the gun sideways when you lock a magazine in or tilt the gun sideways when you pull back the charging handle to chamber a round. This way if a round does come loose it will pop out of the ejection port. The slap is old school. The push/pull method is much better at gaging whether the mag is locked in. |
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The tech guy at Steyr said the Nato stock will not fit because of the longer rail interface on the top of the rifle.
He did mention that it could be modified to work if someone wanted to do a little retrofitting .
Maybe someday if they can get out enough rifles out they will produce a A3 specific Nato stock... And a 20" 1/7 twist barrel! Well it's important that folks continue to email Steyr requesting these things if they want them. |
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The only issue we had was a mag spitting out the top round when seated hard into the receiver. This may have had to do with the fact that we got her toasty warm with a couple 30 and 42 round mag dumps. perhaps the feed lips softened up just enough to not hold the round. Once it cooled we had no further problems. I had this happen when shooting my friend's AUG. He touches on it in his article on the American AUGs that is in the April 2008 issue of SWAT magazine. If you ram the magazine into the magwell too hard it will sometimes pop the top round out. This happens with both Steyr and MSAR mags and with both guns.. If you try holding a fully magazine in one hand and then hit the bottom hard with another, it will probably pop a round out from the top. Answers are to not slam the magazines hard into the magazine well. You may still do this under stress, so practice either tilting the gun sideways when you lock a magazine in or tilt the gun sideways when you pull back the charging handle to chamber a round. This way if a round does come loose it will pop out of the ejection port. Not to hijack the thread but I wonder if this is the same for MSAR mags and the STG? One difference I discovered immidiatelty between the two mags is the STG mag has a lot more flex at the feedlips where as the Steyr mag seemed much stiffer and unable to flex as much when trying to squeeze the feed lips together. |
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Not to hijack the thread but I wonder if this is the same for MSAR mags and the STG? One difference I discovered immidiatelty between the two mags is the STG mag has a lot more flex at the feedlips where as the Steyr mag seemed much stiffer and unable to flex as much when trying to squeeze the feed lips together. To test this load up one of your MSAR mags, hold it with one hand and slam your other hand hard into the bottom. I think my friend has an MSAR spare mag or two that he bought to try with his Steyr. I will try it next time I am over his place, but I am pretty sure that the MSAR suffers from the same problem. Its not a big thing. Just puch pull when seating the magazine and tilt the gun to the side so that the ejection port is facing the ground when you work the charging handle. I know that my friend had no situations where the top round popped out of the magazine in two fo the carbine classes he attended. |
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The tech guy at Steyr said the Nato stock will not fit because of the longer rail interface on the top of the rifle.
He did mention that it could be modified to work if someone wanted to do a little retrofitting .
Maybe someday if they can get out enough rifles out they will produce a A3 specific Nato stock... And a 20" 1/7 twist barrel! This is from Pete's site. Looks like they just ground off the hump. 
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The tech guy at Steyr said the Nato stock will not fit because of the longer rail interface on the top of the rifle.
He did mention that it could be modified to work if someone wanted to do a little retrofitting .
Maybe someday if they can get out enough rifles out they will produce a A3 specific Nato stock... And a 20" 1/7 twist barrel! This is from Pete's site. Looks like they just ground off the hump. http://steyr-aug.com/00727.jpg Yeah, they're braver than I am. I would not want to do that. |
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