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Any experience with these? The Mini4 would be used on 11.5" and 14.5" guns. The Mini7 would be used mostly on a 16" LMT MWS but if I ever get around to getting a 9" or 12.5" 300 BLK upper it would be used for that too. I'm mostly interested in having a compact hearing safe package, not necessarily having the quietest can.
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Any experience with these? The Mini4 would be used on 11.5" and 14.5" guns. The Mini7 would be used mostly on a 16" LMT MWS but if I ever get around to getting a 9" or 12.5" 300 BLK upper it would be used for that too. I'm mostly interested in having a compact hearing safe package, not necessarily having the quietest can. Any other cans I should be looking at? This will now be the third topic I've copied this to...but it's still just as relevant: Quoted:
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No need for a full sized can on a gas gun. They are all loud. This is very true. Last week I shot a 762-SDN-6, followed by an M4-2000 (6.8), followed by a Mini-4, all on my 10.5" AR. My findings were that the M4-2k was possibly, maybe, just barely quieter than the SDN-6. Like 1-2db. So the 5.56 M4-2k would be maybe 2-3db quieter. The Mini-4 was a bit louder than the SDN-6 and M4-2k, I'd say maybe 3db. Obviously my ear doesn't have a meter, but keeping all things relative, those are my observations. With that in mind, the SDN-6 rocks. The M4-2k is probably the best choice for a dedicated 5.56 can if sound reduction is more important than size and weight for you. The Mini-4 is a rockin' 5.56 can which should, but probably won't, cannibalize sales of the M4-2k. If I hadn't shot these back-to-back, there's no way I would notice a difference between any of them. An SDN-6 is such a great choice if you think you might use it on anything bigger than 5.56. In fact, the weight difference isn't noticeable, but the weight of the SDN-6 is slightly further forward, which is slightly noticeable. So to my ear, that would put the Mini-4 about 5-6db louder than the 5.56 M4-2000. That's a good trade-off if size/weight are more important than noise reduction to you. On the other hand, due to my experience with those cans, I wouldn't recommend a Mini-7. The larger aperture really does make quite a bit of difference. Since the Mini-4 was a bit louder than a 762-SDN-6, which has way more volume, the Mini-7 would really be significantly louder. If all it would ever go on is a subsonic .300BLK, *maybe* it would be a good choice. But if you're looking for multi-caliber usage, get the SDN-6 and be very happy. I would love to get a Mini-4 to accompany my SDN-6 one day, it seems like a perfect pair. But so you know, NONE of these will be hearing safe except for subsonic .300BLK. |
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[ This is very true. Last week I shot a 762-SDN-6, followed by an M4-2000 (6.8), followed by a Mini-4, all on my 10.5" AR. My findings were that the M4-2k was possibly, maybe, just barely quieter than the SDN-6. Like 1-2db. So the 5.56 M4-2k would be maybe 2-3db quieter. The Mini-4 was a bit louder than the SDN-6 and M4-2k, I'd say maybe 3db. If I hadn't shot these back-to-back, there's no way I would notice a difference between any of them. An SDN-6 is such a great choice if you think you might use it on anything bigger than 5.56. In fact, the weight difference isn't noticeable, but the weight of the SDN-6 is slightly further forward, which is slightly noticeable. So to my ear, that would put the Mini-4 about 5-6db louder than the 5.56 M4-2000. That's some amazingly calibrated ear you have there. Dude, just stop. You can not hear a 1-2db difference, you can not estimate 5-6db even if you placed yourself 1m forward and left of the muzzle. You're talking our your ass everytime you say a number. Meters are used for PRESSURE the ear uses tone and pressure, things that sound louder aren't always, you can not use your ear to make up pressure numbers. Say things like "I couldn't tell the difference if they weren't side by side" or "after hearing them I would get a mini can" or whatever, but don't add made up numbers in, it makes anyone who knows better completely gloss over your post as garbage. I've sat at a meter with cans and I'm confident no one has a quick enough or adapt enough ear to determine your claimed differences. |
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[ This is very true. Last week I shot a 762-SDN-6, followed by an M4-2000 (6.8), followed by a Mini-4, all on my 10.5" AR. My findings were that the M4-2k was possibly, maybe, just barely quieter than the SDN-6. Like 1-2db. So the 5.56 M4-2k would be maybe 2-3db quieter. The Mini-4 was a bit louder than the SDN-6 and M4-2k, I'd say maybe 3db. If I hadn't shot these back-to-back, there's no way I would notice a difference between any of them. An SDN-6 is such a great choice if you think you might use it on anything bigger than 5.56. In fact, the weight difference isn't noticeable, but the weight of the SDN-6 is slightly further forward, which is slightly noticeable. So to my ear, that would put the Mini-4 about 5-6db louder than the 5.56 M4-2000. That's some amazingly calibrated ear you have there. Dude, just stop. You can not hear a 1-2db difference, you can not estimate 5-6db even if you placed yourself 1m forward and left of the muzzle. You're talking our your ass everytime you say a number. Meters are used for PRESSURE the ear uses tone and pressure, things that sound louder aren't always, you can not use your ear to make up pressure numbers. Say things like "I couldn't tell the difference if they weren't side by side" or "after hearing them I would get a mini can" or whatever, but don't add made up numbers in, it makes anyone who knows better completely gloss over your post as garbage. I've sat at a meter with cans and I'm confident no one has a quick enough or adapt enough ear to determine your claimed differences. Look you idiot, you quoted my post and you edited out the part that addresses what you have such a huge problem with. What are these, the Watergate tapes? You clearly have an axe to grind, or your attitude wouldn't suck so much. Notice the part where I said this: "Obviously my ear doesn't have a meter, but keeping all things relative, those are my observations. With that in mind, the SDN-6 rocks. The M4-2k is probably the best choice for a dedicated 5.56 can if sound reduction is more important than size and weight for you. The Mini-4 is a rockin' 5.56 can which should, but probably won't, cannibalize sales of the M4-2k." You know I said that, because you saw fit to take it out of my post. What it means for people who don't suck at communicating with other people is that those numbers are a relative estimation, and keeping all things relative, those are my observations. The numbers aren't real, because I said (but you deleted) "Obviously my ear doesn't have a meter." Amazing what those 15 minutes of silence add up to. Now go scamper off and vote for Feinstein's bill or whatever it is people like you do; your attitude sucks and you bring nothing to this conversation, Nixon. |
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Just to clarify - I'm considering buying both. The Mini7 would be used only on a .308 and a .300 BLK not on a 5.56 gun Since the mouth-breather above is chopping up my posts and doing his bidding with them, I'll address this in a separate post: Alright, I thought that's what your intended uses were but it was a little vague. Thanks for clearing that up; I think the SDN-6 and the Mini-4 would be the perfect pair for that. I would hesitate to recommend the Mini-7 even for dedicated .300BLK use; a can that small with an aperture that big isn't going to remotely compete with a can the size of an SDN-6, which already is a compact .308 can. And since you'll be using it on a .308 also, there's no question the SDN-6 is a much better choice than the Mini-7. |
| After hearing that surefire's mini-762 can wasn't hearing safe with subsonic 300BLK I wouldn't place too much stock in the mini-7 (assuming it was available). Of course, it depends upon your own needs/wants, but I do agree that the Mini-4 and SDN6 make a nice pair. I ended up going with a surefire socom/N6 combo instead, but I like the idea of a mini 5.56 can and a full size .30 cal can given that the 5.56 is going to require plugs anyway and you have the option to run a hearing safe setup with the larger can on a 300blk setup. |
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Just to clarify - I'm considering buying both. The Mini7 would be used only on a .308 and a .300 BLK not on a 5.56 gun Since the mouth-breather above is chopping up my posts and doing his bidding with them, I'll address this in a separate post: Alright, I thought that's what your intended uses were but it was a little vague. Thanks for clearing that up; I think the SDN-6 and the Mini-4 would be the perfect pair for that. I would hesitate to recommend the Mini-7 even for dedicated .300BLK use; a can that small with an aperture that big isn't going to remotely compete with a can the size of an SDN-6, which already is a compact .308 can. And since you'll be using it on a .308 also, there's no question the SDN-6 is a much better choice than the Mini-7.  I go away for a few weeks and this place goes to hell...lol. I agree with GP. Mini/Micro 5.56 cans can do their job somewhat well. Mini/micro 7.62 cans aren't worth the stamp IMHO.
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[ This is very true. Last week I shot a 762-SDN-6, followed by an M4-2000 (6.8), followed by a Mini-4, all on my 10.5" AR. My findings were that the M4-2k was possibly, maybe, just barely quieter than the SDN-6. Like 1-2db. So the 5.56 M4-2k would be maybe 2-3db quieter. The Mini-4 was a bit louder than the SDN-6 and M4-2k, I'd say maybe 3db. If I hadn't shot these back-to-back, there's no way I would notice a difference between any of them. An SDN-6 is such a great choice if you think you might use it on anything bigger than 5.56. In fact, the weight difference isn't noticeable, but the weight of the SDN-6 is slightly further forward, which is slightly noticeable. So to my ear, that would put the Mini-4 about 5-6db louder than the 5.56 M4-2000. That's some amazingly calibrated ear you have there. Dude, just stop. You can not hear a 1-2db difference, you can not estimate 5-6db even if you placed yourself 1m forward and left of the muzzle. You're talking our your ass everytime you say a number. Meters are used for PRESSURE the ear uses tone and pressure, things that sound louder aren't always, you can not use your ear to make up pressure numbers. Say things like "I couldn't tell the difference if they weren't side by side" or "after hearing them I would get a mini can" or whatever, but don't add made up numbers in, it makes anyone who knows better completely gloss over your post as garbage. I've sat at a meter with cans and I'm confident no one has a quick enough or adapt enough ear to determine your claimed differences. Yes you absolutely can. I can definitely hear the difference in FRP and subsequent shots quite clearly. I can also DEFINITELY hear a difference when my gas system is set to normal vs. suppressed. |
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[ This is very true. Last week I shot a 762-SDN-6, followed by an M4-2000 (6.8), followed by a Mini-4, all on my 10.5" AR. My findings were that the M4-2k was possibly, maybe, just barely quieter than the SDN-6. Like 1-2db. So the 5.56 M4-2k would be maybe 2-3db quieter. The Mini-4 was a bit louder than the SDN-6 and M4-2k, I'd say maybe 3db. If I hadn't shot these back-to-back, there's no way I would notice a difference between any of them. An SDN-6 is such a great choice if you think you might use it on anything bigger than 5.56. In fact, the weight difference isn't noticeable, but the weight of the SDN-6 is slightly further forward, which is slightly noticeable. So to my ear, that would put the Mini-4 about 5-6db louder than the 5.56 M4-2000. That's some amazingly calibrated ear you have there. Dude, just stop. You can not hear a 1-2db difference, you can not estimate 5-6db even if you placed yourself 1m forward and left of the muzzle. You're talking our your ass everytime you say a number. Meters are used for PRESSURE the ear uses tone and pressure, things that sound louder aren't always, you can not use your ear to make up pressure numbers. Say things like "I couldn't tell the difference if they weren't side by side" or "after hearing them I would get a mini can" or whatever, but don't add made up numbers in, it makes anyone who knows better completely gloss over your post as garbage. I've sat at a meter with cans and I'm confident no one has a quick enough or adapt enough ear to determine your claimed differences. Yes you absolutely can. I can definitely hear the difference in FRP and subsequent shots quite clearly. I can also DEFINITELY hear a difference when my gas system is set to normal vs. suppressed. We must both have super-human hearing!  As a matter of fact, that same day I did that side-by-side test, I discovered that I could tell on which shots the spent cases hit the brass deflector and which ones cleared it. Even with the sound of a suppressed gunshot right in front of my face, the brass hitting the deflector made it louder overall. We shot a video of me shooting, and upon watching it back I was able to confirm my observations.
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