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Posted: 5/14/2008 9:02:54 AM EDT
I just spoke with Tom at BushMaster and he said they are now shooting for a late 3rd to 4th quarter release date with a price tag in the $1600.00 retail range!
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I very distinctly remember when BM came out with their .308. When it came out, it came out with a MSRP a solid $400 over what had been advertised as their MSRP just a few months before (as I recall it was something like $1600, then went to $2000 in that space of time). That pissed me off so I didn't buy one. Ended up being a good move anyway, as I mostly heard bad stuff about them and they ended up dropping it anyway. Anyways, I'm predicting they'll do the same with the ACR. It'd be nice if they prove me wrong, but I'll be shocked if they do. ETA: and late 3rd to 4th quarter? Won't that put it around election time? Hmmm..... |
That's what I am thinking too. I wanted one of their 308 rifles but I am glad I did not jump on that one. Now I see the ACR not being offered to late this year, maybe I will just get the SCAR-L instead. Max |
Actually this Dem Congress hasn't been able to get the new AW ban to be voted on yet. I doubt they will be quick to pass anything in 2009, even with Obama leading the way. |
They'll pass one as soon as their first 100 Days has expired. You can bank on an AWB being introduced by the end of 2009 so that they can avoid doing it during the midterm election season. Fall of 2009 is my prediction. If they come right in though and within the first 100 days of office pass one that will pretty much tell ya that Communism is coming if that's one their first acts. The only reason they've put off bringing one up for a vote is to avoid being hurt this election season. Once they're passed that they'll make a grab for our guns you can count on it as much as death and taxes. The liberal Democrat leadership sets the agenda and they're just waiting to put an AWB on it. |
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The closer to the election, and even after that they put them out, the more they will get for them. I'd suggest you get what you can right now with your money. Ammo is not going to get cheaper. Magazines are not going to get cheaper, though how many of those do you realistically really need? ten to twenty magpulls will probably last a lifetime. |
Pelosi will not bring it up, she is being careful not to let the backbenchers like McCarthy shoot the party in the foot. |
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Would a AWB ban produce this:  Or perhaps they'll be more stricter like anything semi-auto is an assault weapon? Good ole Democrat fucktards! |
Depends, only way we got the sunset provision and the various options that we could get around was because of a vocal and somewhat strong Republican minority. If one came up today with the current make-up of the Congress we'd probably end up with rifles looking just like that with another sunset provision. However, if the Dems take a filibuster proof majority in the Senate it will be a perma ban and there will be zero semi-auto rifles like the ACR or SCAR. The Dems will get away with as much as they think they can. The goal of most of the Democratic leadership that control the agenda is to see us with nothing more than .22 LR Bolt Action rifles and break action Shotguns. Afterall, you don't need an "assault rifle" to hunt ducks do you? 
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That is the most heinous thing though. There's seems to be a shame if you desire a AK or ar15 type weapon. The 2nd ammendment is the right to bear arms not shotguns for hunting ducks. I've never hunted in my life. The intent was weapons for DEFENSE. |
-we would be lucky if they stopped there. Most of them want our laws to reflect those of Japan (airsoft-only & strict sword-control anyone? Its common sense). |
Polymers are made directly from petroleum products. If oil prices go up, so will the pice of polymers that the ACR is made of. The cost will be passed on to the customers and the price will increase. |
That is exactly their goal. hinking.gif Bastards. |
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ACR UPDATE We continue to receive numerous calls from customers as to the status of the new Bushmaster ACR platform that we partnered with Magpul to bring to market. In an effort to try to keep all of our customers up to date – Bushmaster is happy to provide the following information: Based upon the current level of production here at Bushmaster, and a number of military related projects – the Commercial version of the ACR originally slated for later in 2008, is currently being slated for a Q1 2009 release to the consumer markets. This allows us to continue our focus of preparing the ACR for initial Law Enforcement and Military demos, tests and evaluations which we are scheduling at this time. If your agency or unit has not yet had the chance to schedule a demonstration for this summer, and would like to – please send a note to [email protected]. In the meantime – the ACR will available to be seen in Booth 742 at the NRA show this weekend in Louisville for those consumers attending. We will endeavor to provide a new update on the release of the consumer versions of this exciting new rifle platform in late summer. As always, we appreciate your interest in Bushmaster, and loyalty to our brand. Team Bushmaster http://www.bushmaster.com/acr_update.asp Well next year it seems like. Max |
| Well I think I am just going to have to stock up on AR-15 and AR-10 lowers with all the uncertainty of ACR, SCAR, and AUG A3. At least I know I will be able to obtain parts and I will have rifles that work, and will do so for a long time to come. I am not bashing any of the new designs at all though, I look forward to seeing them when they finally hit the shelves. Just my thoughts |
My sentiments exactly! Proud 556 owner here with no vapor-ware.  I think if the other rifles materialize before everything gets banned I'm gonna go for a SCAR-H....like I need another 5.56x45 rifle! |
I was told at SHOT that they will only sell to mil and LE first, then release to the public, this is why I I will get the SCAR, FN wants our business while Bushmaster wants to kiss the .gov LE ass and treat us as not important. The average shooting public made Bushmaster and Magpul for that matter, what it is and they pull this crap. While I have no problem trying to sell it to the military and LE, time is not on our side. Any new AWB will not include mil or LE, but that is who Bushmaster wants to make sure they are the only ones allowed to get the guns for a while. Good luck selling to the military Bushmaster, you're a day late and a dollar short on that one, they aren't gonna bite. Law enforcement might buy a few, but not in the numbers that the civilian shooters will, but we are treated as second class to Bushmaster. Arrogant attitude they have I think. Maybe we should just be greatfull they sell to us at all. 
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Bushmaster is loaded with retards. Period. The bottom line is that the ACR will never be accepted as a military weapon. Sure, some LEO's will use it, but the big Tan machine (or should I say whitish/grey machine?) is already heavily in bed with FN. The SCAR is already going to be the next SOCOM rifle which means it is only a matter of time before the Army adopts it. While the Masada is a great weapon, I'm sure, and we all want one, the fact is that it was introduced to trials too late and the SCAR won. So, by the assclowns at Bushmaster hedging their bets on military demos and "trials," at the expense of getting it to the civilian market before Satan becomes pres and another AWB is enacted, they are essentially screwing themselves. A brand new weapon system that is as hyped as this one never has enough units available at release. Hell, it took FN (a company larger and with more resources) 8 months to get enough FS2000's and PS90's on the shelves to meet demand- and those guns were using already-tooled parts from their military counterparts!!! So, Bushmaster is chasing a dream that will never be a reality. they wanted to design their ACR from the ground up and then realized they were not talented/competent/whatever enough to do it, so they stood on the shoulders of genius' (Magpul) and just bought theirs so they can put their pathetic "looks-like-a-third-grader-drew-it" snake on the receiver and pat themselves on the back! They still have this fantasy that they will develop an ACR that the military will will cream themselves over and immediately drop their contracts with FN and Colt to outfit soldiers with. The caveat is that the military has never had, nor wanted anything to do with Bushmaster products. So, while they are chasing this delusion, they are denying their bread and butter: the civilian market. We are the ones that have followed the development of the Masada from the beginning and been salivating over it ever since. We are the ones that would by it and make millions of dollars in sales for the snake oil company in Maine. Civie and some LEO dept. sales have been what keeps Bushmaster's lights on. Ane, they are now giving us the big middle finger. I was really looking forward to this rifle this summer, but I now have absolutely no interest in it. I will by a SCAR instead. I feel horrible for Magpul because they are probably not in control of this at all and they are seeing everything they worked so hard for probably being flushed down the shitter because of this delay. At another time, I won't hold back and tell you guys how I really feel about this! 
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+1 to Wespe and Clasky. Exactly WHAT fucking LEO and .Mil agencies are they gonna be filling orders for? I'm seriously asking: what agencies are dropping their ARs to buy these in bulk quantities? Even if there are some, are you telling me that the number they produce in their factory every month won't catch up to the couple contracts they might get for many months? I really was worried that BM would pull this kind of crap when they took over. Anyone remember this quote: "The Bushmaster ACR (Adaptive Combat Rifle) will initially be offered in 5.56 NATO, available for law enforcement and civilian purchase second quarter 2008. This release will be followed by military ACR versions in the 3rd quarter of 2008." here's a link to the thread, it's the very first post: Magpul/Bushmaster thread |
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Yeah I was at the NRA convention today and I heard that they're planning on early '09 for the 5.56 release, with no set date for the 6.8. Talked to POF, they're releasing a 6.8 SPC II-chambered 4-groove 1/11" rifled piston upper with all they're uber cool internal platings in another handful of months- probably septemberish this year. Found my early Christmas present. Sorry, MAGPUL...I can only wait for so long! Handling the ACR was nice tho |
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The ACR while it has the QC "toolless" barrel option is only "toolless" if you have the piston system already attached to the other barrel. So, that sort of reduces that as a serious advantage over the barrel change system of the SCAR. The price of the ACR is now climbing in rumors posted here from $1400 to $1600, but I don't know if I really trust those numbers. So, now we're hearing that the ACR may not be out until 2009, but who knows the SCAR could be delayed for civilian release as well. The SCAR has already gone from a Q3 release to a Q4 release projected so it's possible it could be pushed back again depending on how quickly production for the military and LEO goes. I'm still unclear about whether the ACR will come with a rear BUIS or not. However, we do know that the SCAR comes with the folding/collapsable stock and full rail system as standard whereas the ACR does not. For some folks that will matter and for others it will not. Clasky probably pointed out the biggest issue with the ACR right now is that Bushmaster is going to have a very high demand to meet and it right now appears unlikely that they'll be able to produce enough numbers of ACR to meet demand when it is released. So, the question really is whether Bushmaster will be able to produce enough rifles to fill demands before a Communist Administration comes to power. Will Bushmaster's priority be for MIL/LEO or truely for civilians at first? Looks like they are going after LEO contracts this summer so are they really going to tell departments to hold-up we have to get rifles to retailers at first? If civilians get pushed to the back of the line with the ACR it could be VERY difficult to get an ACR in the first part of 2009. Add to all the above the fact that everyone and their cousin is going to be looking to purchase the most advance rifle possible after the election results are in and you're going to have to whore yourself out to get an early ACR.  |
Well I was sitting on the money to buy a SCAR or ACR, I guess I'll get the XCR instead.
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I guess I'm one of the few that'll be willing to wait for the ACR. The delay is a disappointment, but it'll probably result in a reliable rifle with no issues in it's initial release. The only downsides? It'll be in a down-to-the-wire race for a ban, no matter who wins the election. The closer the release happens to a ban will drive the price up even more.  I just hope Bushmaster has the good sense not to "pull a Sig556" and release a rifle without the features that make the ACR popular. (like it's folding/adjustable stock) |
Looks like the stock will be an available option. However, it's going to go beyond the base price of the standard configuration. Sort of like the XCR where you look and go "oh, that's cheap" only to find yourself pushing $1700 after going with some of the nicer "extras." Good side is that you can get in on an ACR on the cheap and add on later, but the bad sid is that you might end up paying more than you would like when it's all said and done. If Obama wins it's going to be pure panic on the consumer side of the industry as folks rush to purchase these new rifles. Mark my words, it will be pretty damn crazy. We didn't have half the internet dealers we have no back in 1994 obviously. Plus, with all gun boards driving demand already can you imagine how bad people will be freaking out running up credit cards to purchase the ACR, SCAR ,or whatever they can? What's sort of funny in an odd sort of funny way is that we could go all throughout 2009 with no ban at all. Of course, nobody is going to want to take that risk. Did I mention I hate election seasons? I really do. |
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