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Posted: 11/6/2008 8:31:16 PM EDT
| what are the main differences between the Bushmaster ACR (Magpul Masada) and the FN SCAR? |
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FN intends to build the SCAR, Bushmaster has no intention of building the ACR.
SCAR can change calibers by changing the barrel and bolt (if required). Lossen a few set screws, pull the barrel out and put the new one on. For example a 11" or 14.5" for CQB, and a 20 inch for sniper work. Change from 5.56 to 6.8 by changing barrel and bolt. No need for an entire upper, just the barrel and bolt. |
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FN intends to build the SCAR, Bushmaster has no intention of building the ACR. SCAR can change calibers by changing the barrel and bolt (if required). Lossen a few set screws, pull the barrel out and put the new one on. For example a 11" or 14.5" for CQB, and a 20 inch for sniper work. Change from 5.56 to 6.8 by changing barrel and bolt. No need for an entire upper, just the barrel and bolt. Yea I'm sure they just love throwing money at something that has no potential to earn them a profit  Of course they want to get the ACR out to recoup their and Magpuls expenses, don't be a fool.
That being said you may or may not get to actually own one of these 2 rifles depending on how fast they hit the market. Both are very similar and are built to fill the same roll... |
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FN intends to build the SCAR, Bushmaster has no intention of building the ACR. Wait a minute, aren't you the guy who said Bushmaster designed the ACR to compete with the Magpul Masada? Do this forum a favor and stop posting about things that you're completely clueless about. |
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both are simalar in concept and abilities, FN will have the SCAR in stores by xmas where as the ACR will be lucky to get it out before obamas second term. i am planning on getting both early
interestingly enough bushmaster has a history of dumping designs like the m17 bullpup and there 308 AR. |
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FN intends to build the SCAR, Bushmaster has no intention of building the ACR. SCAR can change calibers by changing the barrel and bolt (if required). Lossen a few set screws, pull the barrel out and put the new one on. For example a 11" or 14.5" for CQB, and a 20 inch for sniper work. Change from 5.56 to 6.8 by changing barrel and bolt. No need for an entire upper, just the barrel and bolt. +1 |
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FN intends to build the SCAR, Bushmaster has no intention of building the ACR. Wait a minute, aren't you the guy who said Bushmaster designed the ACR to compete with the Magpul Masada? Do this forum a favor and stop posting about things that you're completely clueless about. +1 |
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FN intends to build the SCAR, Bushmaster has no intention of building the ACR. Wait a minute, aren't you the guy who said Bushmaster designed the ACR to compete with the Magpul Masada? Do this forum a favor and stop posting about things that you're completely clueless about. +1 +2 I inted to but the ACR as soon as it come out, I might wait a while on the SCAR though |
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One way or another, we'll see an ACR.
It may be a fixed stock version, 10rd magazine, that might require work to get a legacy AR barrel into it (if there are Canada-esque length restrictions), but there is zero question that we'll see an ACR. The actual question in the air is which version - the HSLD folding/telescoping stock version that screams sex, or some Hawking-esque peice of hobbled brilliance |
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what are the main differences between the Bushmaster ACR (Magpul Masada) and the FN SCAR? We'll one thing I know, at least the SCAR exists... ls And so does the ACR. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rWvCc77wvk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIlW1t2mgNc&feature=related |
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yes it does exist but which one is physically attainable in the next few weeks. untill they are shipping the ACR is right there with the hk416, styer AUG and RobARMs 308 XCR. i would love to have a ACR for XMAS 2008 I would love to have an ACR too for christmas, i hope they r avalible around that time! |
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One costs 2700, the other is rumored to cost around 1500  The one that costs $2700 was previously rumored to cost less than $2000. Dude...if that gun is going to retail for $2700. NO ONE is going to buy it. You simply can't justify a $3000. gas-piston AR15...even if your name is Heckler & Koch. Of course there will be some rich dudes out there who'll buy one...but they won't sell in near the numbers they'll need to "recoup their losses or investments." It's simply cost prohibitive. Why spend that much money...when you can just dump $1300. (or cheaper) on an gas piston AR15? They are deluded if they think that they can somehow justify 1400 or so extra dollars on the price tag for a nifty stock/forearm and a paint job. |
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Dude...if that gun is going to retail for $2700. NO ONE is going to buy it. You simply can't justify a $3000. gas-piston AR15...even if your name is Heckler & Koch. Of course there will be some rich dudes out there who'll buy one...but they won't sell in near the numbers they'll need to "recoup their losses or investments." It's simply cost prohibitive. Why spend that much money...when you can just dump $1300. (or cheaper) on an gas piston AR15? They are deluded if they think that they can somehow justify 1400 or so extra dollars on the price tag for a nifty stock/forearm and a paint job.
Considering the other thread where there's a guy searching around trying to find one to pre-order, I think the market has spoken...and said that you're wrong. People have been paying nearly as much for the FS2000 for ages, and the SCAR definitely has a wider appeal (read: has been shown on Future Weapons more often) than the FS2000. Right now, if an AWB passes and FNH fails to secure a military contract, then they've probably already lost serious money. If they can sell those rifles at $5000 a piece, I'm sure they will...because once things are over, they're over. In 1985 people would have laughed their asses off if you told them a $300 MAC-11 would someday be worth $4000. Yesterday is the past, today is the present, tomorrow is the future. Someday people will be shaking their heads at the thought of a stripped lower for $200. |
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The thing i cant get over is the fact the ACR has not been released. They have all these online videos, its been talked about forever, and im pretty sure they even did a show on future weapons about it. If it works well enough to have a damn show about it it works well enough to be released. If it is production capacity i can understand but any other reason just feels weak.
It doesnt really matter to me i am not going to buy either, any AR i have had has been far more than adequate for my needs. |
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Unbiased:
SCAR: Made by a reputable, multinational Arms company that has a history of making quality firearms for militaries around the world. Has massive military contracts all around the world Proven design. Passed tests by SOCOM ACR: Made by a company that pretty much survives on commercial sales, and the military export sales Colt cannot fill. Some QC control issues. Unproven design by a company with no previous weapon design experience. Not entered into any military tests. |
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One costs 2700, the other is rumored to cost around 1500 The one that costs $2700 was previously rumored to cost less than $2000. Dude...if that gun is going to retail for $2700. NO ONE is going to buy it. You simply can't justify a $3000. gas-piston AR15...even if your name is Heckler & Koch. Of course there will be some rich dudes out there who'll buy one...but they won't sell in near the numbers they'll need to "recoup their losses or investments." It's simply cost prohibitive. Why spend that much money...when you can just dump $1300. (or cheaper) on an gas piston AR15? They are deluded if they think that they can somehow justify 1400 or so extra dollars on the price tag for a nifty stock/forearm and a paint job. I'm not rich by any means, yet tomorrow I am going to start putting effort into finding a SCAR. My FS2000 was over $2000, and has remained there in price. What's $500 more? But with that said, the MSRP of the FS2000 is actually right about $2700. And yes, I'm an internet commando who doesn't intend on shooting it much at all. And I already have an XCR, as well as many AR15's. The SCAR is just the new kid on the block, and one of the most scrutinized battle rifles in the past 4 decades. It's not a drastic change, but it is still one of the best things going. The price is only going up from here. When is the last time that you have seen a manufacturer drop the MSRP for a firearm? (there are a couple that have dropped, but few and far between) |
Check this thread out, down towards the bottome of the page. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=28&t=161050&page=14
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yes it does exist but which one is physically attainable in the next few weeks. untill they are shipping the ACR is right there with the hk416, styer AUG and RobARMs 308 XCR. i would love to have a ACR for XMAS 2008 I would love to have an ACR too for christmas, i hope they r avalible around that time! |
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