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1/21/2008 5:36:33 PM EDT
Ok I live in a desert environment in southern Nevada. I'm about to purchase a chest rig from TT. I will use the rig on 3 gun matches and on 5 to 10 mile hikes with my buds on varmint hunts.

From what I thought I knew, ACU was supposed to be the best thing going for all around use. But I see a lot of manufactures offering multicam and a lot of people buying it.

Is multicam better somehow? Is there a study out there that shows that? Or is this just a personal preference, soup of the month kind of thing?

I looked at the multicam website and the photos are impressive. But I think we all know how the "scene can be set" for best results.

Any info and insight is appreciated.
1/21/2008 5:41:48 PM EDT
[#1]
In my opinion, Multicam is much more versatile.  ACU works fairly well in the desert, gravel/urban areas and, well, thats about it.  It sucks everywhere else, where at least multicam gives you a shot.  You will get more all around effectiveness from multicam.
Scott
1/21/2008 5:54:08 PM EDT
[#2]
Thanks for the input. I should have dug around a little more, I found my answer on militarymorons.com

www.militarymorons.com/gear/crye1.html

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The MultiCam pattern is a result of extensive development and testing over the past couple of years, by both Crye and the Army. It is designed to work in multiple environments (hence its name) – which include desert, woodland and urban. Although it came out on top in Army tests, the Army has decided to go with new ACU pattern which is basically a variation of the MARPAT pattern used by the USMC, with changes in colour.
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1/21/2008 5:58:10 PM EDT
[#3]
well it's popular cause it WORKS. since you don'nt belive the Crye pics you can check out Military Morons site as they have some side by side pics.  ok there you go

I would post mine ( for the 10,000th time ) but they are for the midwest/woodland.

for the desert, try watching the Transformer movie, as all the SF guys are wearing Multicam in the high desert,running around.
1/21/2008 6:06:56 PM EDT
[#4]
ACU can work, but it's far from 'Universal'

Yes


Hell No


I would go for Multicam without hesitation.
1/21/2008 6:11:12 PM EDT
[#5]
I was active duty army for five years and deployed to Iraq twice.  On our last tour we used the ACU.  I did not care for it at all.  All my personal gear is Multicam.
1/21/2008 8:25:59 PM EDT
[#6]
Multicam has developed almost a Cult Following and the reason it has is because it just flat out works awesome throughout the seasons and in various environments.

The Army went with ACU, because they claim a digital pattern performed better when viewed under night vision.  However, we all know there was a host of other reasons that played a more important role in the selection of ACU over Multicam. Cost was a definte factor, in that it was cheaper to go with the ACU pattern over the licensed pattern from Crye.

I also believe the Army looked at the fact that over 50% of the world's population now live in urban areas.  They clearly believe that Urban Combat is the future and I think they're right, but that the future is still a ways off.  In the meantime there is still alot of open ground in rural areas where terrorist groups and various state actors will still carry out operations.   Much of the third world is still largely rural.  So ACU may work well in a war in China, but is just horrible in my opinion in Africa, Central America, South America, and most of Southeast Asia.

The Army's Future Combat Systems Demonstration Unit has been using Multicam for some time now.  The US Boarder Patrol has started to buy up lots of Multicam and it has been reported that various Special Units from the United States are using it.  I have even heard that the British MOD purchased some Crye Multicam, but how much and for what purpose I don't know (maybe SAS).  The Polish military has basically copied Multicam minus a few things and now their Special Forces GROM use it in Afghanistan.  

I think Multicam works VERY well in suburban and rural areas that aren't Berlin style grey concrete.  It also works very well throughout all the different season, which I have never seen in any camo before.  It is excellent stuff that you would do well to adopt.  The single pattern cuts down on purchasing multiple sets of gear or having to use one solid color for your gear that takes away from breaking up your outline.  In addition, Multicam is very well supported now and you can get everything under the sun as affordable or as expensive as you may like.

I will also add that most of AR15.com now has some sort of Multicam gear.  It has become the unofficial camo pattern here and will work well for IFF purposes.



Multicam FTW

1/21/2008 9:04:55 PM EDT
[#7]
Well that answers it, multicam it is!!!

Thanks for all of the time and input guys
1/21/2008 9:16:47 PM EDT
[#8]
The US Army purchase ACU based on the idea that most of their future combat will be urban, and most of their future combat will occur at night.  (They are probably right).

Your requirements may vary.  
1/22/2008 9:44:34 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
The Army's Future Combat Systems Demonstration Unit has been using Multicam for some time now.  The US Boarder Patrol has started to buy up lots of Multicam and it has been reported that various Special Units from the United States are using it.  I have even heard that the British MOD purchased some Crye Multicam, but how much and for what purpose I don't know (maybe SAS).  The Polish military has basically copied Multicam minus a few things and now their Special Forces GROM use it in Afghanistan.  

When we worked with SAS back in Baghdad they were sportin the Crye pants and combat shirt witht he pad inserts.
1/22/2008 5:51:02 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
The US Army purchase ACU based on the idea that most of their future combat will be urban, and most of their future combat will occur at night.  (They are probably right).

Your requirements may vary.  


That's all fine and good until we start fighting in a jungle during the day.  My experience points to nothing ever going as planned.
1/22/2008 10:12:47 PM EDT
[#11]
designed for this war....just wait till the next one.  After enough casualties they'll design something new and take a while to get it to troops....stupid f*#%ing politicians
1/22/2008 11:29:10 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The US Army purchase ACU based on the idea that most of their future combat will be urban, and most of their future combat will occur at night.  (They are probably right).

Your requirements may vary.  


That's all fine and good until we start fighting in a jungle during the day.  My experience points to nothing ever going as planned.


that's damn true!


btw I don't think we'll ever see another VietNam style war.... I think those special unit that would fight in a jungle will have all the right tools to get the job done.


I've seen a video about the best ranger competition (IIRC) and the ACU seemd to work in the forest...not as good as the Marpat of course but it wasn't that bad.

1/22/2008 11:41:37 PM EDT
[#13]
Multicam is the perfect camo for your neck of the woods.
1/23/2008 3:48:58 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Well that answers it, multicam it is!!!

Thanks for all of the time and input guys


You chose the right path, grasshoppah.
1/23/2008 8:17:22 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
that's damn true!


btw I don't think we'll ever see another VietNam style war.... I think those special unit that would fight in a jungle will have all the right tools to get the job done.


I've seen a video about the best ranger competition (IIRC) and the ACU seemd to work in the forest...not as good as the Marpat of course but it wasn't that bad.



Well Frens Italy was smart enough to stick with earth colors for now in their digital camo.

I think ACU came a few decades too soon.

1/23/2008 8:51:54 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Well that answers it, multicam it is!!!

Thanks for all of the time and input guys


You chose the right path, grasshoppah.
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Ah yes, his Cam-fu is strong.
1/23/2008 8:56:46 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
The US Army purchase ACU based on the idea that most of their future combat will be urban, and most of their future combat will occur at night.  (They are probably right).

Your requirements may vary.  


I've been surprised how much the Army guys at the federal building show up in ACUs, even against concrete the pattern is far too light, it is really obvious in low light, at least it looked that way to me.

I ran across a guy hiking in the adirondacks who had an ACU boonie. it stuck out like a sore thumb in the woods, the only place it seemed to blend in was against rocks.
1/23/2008 9:27:54 AM EDT
[#18]
I'll let the real cat out of the bag...In 90% of tactical situations it doesn't make any difference at all.  The ACU garment in Coyote Brown or OD green probably would've been fine.
1/23/2008 1:33:16 PM EDT
[#19]
3 gun matches and hiking..........seems like you need to stand out, go with ACU....
1/23/2008 5:45:35 PM EDT
[#20]
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Quoted:

I've been surprised how much the Army guys at the federal building show up in ACUs, even against concrete the pattern is far too light, it is really obvious in low light, at least it looked that way to me.

I ran across a guy hiking in the adirondacks who had an ACU boonie. it stuck out like a sore thumb in the woods, the only place it seemed to blend in was against rocks.


Yeah, try wearing ACUs in combat.  I felt like someone had a "shoot me" with an arrow pointed at me above my head.
1/23/2008 6:27:15 PM EDT
[#21]
+1... I hate the ACU's I think they are some of the worse made uniforms... They should have kept the DCU's.
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