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Posted: 5/4/2014 2:13:18 PM EDT
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| I'm just tooling up on a bunch of Molle gear, and nylon. on a popular auction site, there were some shingles. Seems to be decent, but never seen em. I am loving me some LBT, and Eagle, with a mix of USGI thrown in. The latter is fairly ok, and can be had for a dance, with a little shopping. Thanks for the heads up. |
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False ATS is gtg but known budget gear. Not on the same field as mayflower OSOE, HSGI, PIG, esstac, LBT, etc Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted:
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ATS is on par with the rest of the USA companies.  False ATS is gtg but known budget gear. Not on the same field as mayflower OSOE, HSGI, PIG, esstac, LBT, etc Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Budget to alot of people means kit that is bought on Amazon, sleezebay, and at gun shows. To name a few Condor, Phenix, Specter, voodoo and the list goes on. ATS isnt on that list. If ATS is shitty budget gear to you then you must literaly have a plate carrier made by gucci. |
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Budget to alot of people means kit that is bought on Amazon, sleezebay, and at gun shows. To name a few Condor, Phenix, Specter, voodoo and the list goes on. ATS isnt on that list. If ATS is shitty budget gear to you then you must literaly have a plate carrier made by gucci. Quoted:
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ATS is on par with the rest of the USA companies. False ATS is gtg but known budget gear. Not on the same field as mayflower OSOE, HSGI, PIG, esstac, LBT, etc Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Budget to alot of people means kit that is bought on Amazon, sleezebay, and at gun shows. To name a few Condor, Phenix, Specter, voodoo and the list goes on. ATS isnt on that list. If ATS is shitty budget gear to you then you must literaly have a plate carrier made by gucci. He is our resident "operator".... |
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Budget to alot of people means kit that is bought on Amazon, sleezebay, and at gun shows. To name a few Condor, Phenix, Specter, voodoo and the list goes on. ATS isnt on that list. If ATS is shitty budget gear to you then you must literaly have a plate carrier made by gucci. Quoted:
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ATS is on par with the rest of the USA companies. False ATS is gtg but known budget gear. Not on the same field as mayflower OSOE, HSGI, PIG, esstac, LBT, etc Budget to alot of people means kit that is bought on Amazon, sleezebay, and at gun shows. To name a few Condor, Phenix, Specter, voodoo and the list goes on. ATS isnt on that list. If ATS is shitty budget gear to you then you must literaly have a plate carrier made by gucci. ATS is good to go, OP Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I'm just tooling up on a bunch of Molle gear, and nylon. on a popular auction site, there were some shingles. Seems to be decent, but never seen em. I am loving me some LBT, and Eagle, with a mix of USGI thrown in. The latter is fairly ok, and can be had for a dance, with a little shopping. Thanks for the heads up. I used a couple of their 3 mag shingles for a few years before I got forced to use specific gear. No issues. I prefer their method of attachment over MALICE clips. |
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ATS is on par with the rest of the USA companies. False ATS is gtg but known budget gear. Not on the same field as mayflower OSOE, HSGI, PIG, esstac, LBT, etc Budget to alot of people means kit that is bought on Amazon, sleezebay, and at gun shows. To name a few Condor, Phenix, Specter, voodoo and the list goes on. ATS isnt on that list. If ATS is shitty budget gear to you then you must literaly have a plate carrier made by gucci. He is our resident "operator".... ATS is good to go, OP Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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ATS is on par with the rest of the USA companies. False ATS is gtg but known budget gear. Not on the same field as mayflower OSOE, HSGI, PIG, esstac, LBT, etc Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Really? The pouches I purchased from them a couple years ago were sewn just as well as those from Eagle and Paraclete. Things must've changed. |
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Really? The pouches I purchased from them a couple years ago were sewn just as well as those from Eagle and Paraclete. Things must've changed. Quoted:
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ATS is on par with the rest of the USA companies. False ATS is gtg but known budget gear. Not on the same field as mayflower OSOE, HSGI, PIG, esstac, LBT, etc Really? The pouches I purchased from them a couple years ago were sewn just as well as those from Eagle and Paraclete. Things must've changed. ATS is good to go, OP Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Take a moment to think about why people happily pay $75-125 for a HSGI, velocity, Tyr etc warbelt when ATS has a $30 model. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Because they can? Why do people pay $300 for a Goruck bag when it's practically a giant sack with a few internal pockets? Hell, it doesn't even come with a sternum strap. 
We're not even having an "intelligent conversation"...all you've stated is that ATS is "budget" gear and isn't on "the same level" as other makers, but you don't mention why except for their price. If we're only basing quality on price, then that's a whole 'nother level of gear snobbery. Supporting your argument = basic essay writing 101. 
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ATS is on par with the rest of the USA companies. False ATS is gtg but known budget gear. Not on the same field as mayflower OSOE, HSGI, PIG, esstac, LBT, etc Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I disagree with Brad's statement. Just because something costs less does not necessarily mean it is of lesser quality. Some companies invest less in marketing and brand development than others. ATS has been doing it longer than some of those companies listed. I believe one of Blue Force Gear's product guys comes from ATS. I own pieces of gear from every company listed, except Esstac, and I feel the ATS stuff is on par. I am very happy with my ATS gear, great gear at great prices. |
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Does ATS make anyhig innovative or proprietary? HSGI taco First spear 6/12 Bushido cobra cbun BFG molle minus (or whatever it's called) Crye using hypalon on the JPC I don't have a dog in this fight. If ATS fits his needs and budget then go for it. You guys are getting worked up over nothing Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I'm not getting worked up; I'm just amused. So a company that doesn't come out with something so revolutionary that it shocks the industry is "budget" gear? Even if the material and workmanship is right up there with the other Gucci brands? There are certain professions out there (ie LE/Mil) that are slow to change and suddenly switching to all this new HSLD stuff isn't feasible. Sometimes you just need the basics and if you do, you better be damn sure it's solid. I think ATS fills that niche.
But if you have a big wallet, then the world is your oyster. 
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ATS was originally known as "Lightfighter" some years ago.
They came up with the original (and now much copied) RAID pack, Cobra pack, and make a host of other products, something like over 50+ pieces of molle gear. A lot of it may seem "mainstream" or "plain vanilla" now, but many of the products were their designs and concepts that the rest of the nylon industry has since copied. Their gear is good to go, and RAID packs are awesome. |
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ATS was originally known as "Lightfighter" some years ago. They came up with the original (and now much copied) RAID pack, Cobra pack, and make a host of other products, something like over 50+ pieces of molle gear. A lot of it may seem "mainstream" or "plain vanilla" now, but many of the products were their designs and concepts that the rest of the nylon industry has since copied. Their gear is good to go, and RAID packs are awesome. i came here to post something similar. ATS is a conundrum to me, they make great gear, affordable, sturdy, and innovative products. im not sure why they arent as popular. maybe because they dont make anything in AORAORSALDEVGRURANGERSNIPERAORAOR. kind of like diamondback and sotech, not as widely known but great great gear. |
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Wow, just wow....... Look, I am not a super operator, or door kicker. I'm just a guy that trains a lot, and shoots a lot of ammo. I have had a mixture of shit, and am just wanting to invest in a few different setups, as I broaden my horizons.
I now, after a couple of years running pretty hard (by my standards), have a better idea of what I want and need. I am buying shit like a banshee carrier, an Eagle H-rig, eagle war belt, Eagle and LBT pouches. I also am buying an FLC, with a bunch of USGI pouches. I figure it will serve a few "mission specific needs". I just look forward to training in some even better gear. As far as one of the places I am shopping for some of this; I am fully aware that place of full of shit, and shitheads. However, there are a few guys on there that deal in some pretty serious gear, that you can't find all the time, and sure can't beat the price. What is the harm? Besides, you have Paypal protection, and that is actually pretty solid. Brad, it took a little reading before I got to see some of the comments. I found that pretty funny. All I was asking, was if they are worth a shit. I fully realize the brands I am buying, and why I am buying them. Yes I know Eagle, LBT, Mayflower, TAG, and the like are top shelf. But, having some throwdown shit, that didn't cost the premium, that is still solid, has a place I would think. I hope maybe I have explained myself and my needs a little better. |
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Budget to alot of people means kit that is bought on Amazon, sleezebay, and at gun shows. To name a few Condor, Phenix, Specter, voodoo and the list goes on. ATS isnt on that list. If ATS is shitty budget gear to you then you must literaly have a plate carrier made by gucci. Quoted:
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ATS is on par with the rest of the USA companies. False ATS is gtg but known budget gear. Not on the same field as mayflower OSOE, HSGI, PIG, esstac, LBT, etc Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Budget to alot of people means kit that is bought on Amazon, sleezebay, and at gun shows. To name a few Condor, Phenix, Specter, voodoo and the list goes on. ATS isnt on that list. If ATS is shitty budget gear to you then you must literaly have a plate carrier made by gucci. Specter Gear is far above the other companies you associate it with....while their products may be affordable, I have found in my experience they are of fantastic quality. |
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Specter Gear is far above the other companies you associate it with....while their products may be affordable, I have found in my experience they are of fantastic quality. Quoted:
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ATS is on par with the rest of the USA companies. False ATS is gtg but known budget gear. Not on the same field as mayflower OSOE, HSGI, PIG, esstac, LBT, etc Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Budget to alot of people means kit that is bought on Amazon, sleezebay, and at gun shows. To name a few Condor, Phenix, Specter, voodoo and the list goes on. ATS isnt on that list. If ATS is shitty budget gear to you then you must literaly have a plate carrier made by gucci. Specter Gear is far above the other companies you associate it with....while their products may be affordable, I have found in my experience they are of fantastic quality. +1. Their gear is very durable. US made too. Specter just doesn't come out with a lot of "new" stuff. Their shingles are tits tho with the removable and adjustable lids. |
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Nape, and Jar, I appreciate you guys input! I guess, to be more clear, I really like tough gear! I just appreciate things that last, and am willing to shell out the dough for it.
I realize, that some of the high speed guys are liking some 500d stuff. I'm not those guys for sure. I would buy mag pouches if they made 1500d nylon. Yes there are times lighter is better, and high tech wins. But then again, there are sometimes tougher wins as well. Just my take. |
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Specter Gear is far above the other companies you associate it with....while their products may be affordable, I have found in my experience they are of fantastic quality. Quoted:
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ATS is on par with the rest of the USA companies. False ATS is gtg but known budget gear. Not on the same field as mayflower OSOE, HSGI, PIG, esstac, LBT, etc Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Budget to alot of people means kit that is bought on Amazon, sleezebay, and at gun shows. To name a few Condor, Phenix, Specter, voodoo and the list goes on. ATS isnt on that list. If ATS is shitty budget gear to you then you must literaly have a plate carrier made by gucci. Specter Gear is far above the other companies you associate it with....while their products may be affordable, I have found in my experience they are of fantastic quality. Fair enough, I have had one item from them and wasnt impressed and the price to be had for it was very low. So to me if it walks like a duck, and shits like a duck....... its a duck. Now that being said if you would be willing to send me some of their kit I am willing to give them a second chance. |
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ATS is on par with the rest of the USA companies. False ATS is gtg but known budget gear. Not on the same field as mayflower OSOE, HSGI, PIG, esstac, LBT, etc Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Budget to alot of people means kit that is bought on Amazon, sleezebay, and at gun shows. To name a few Condor, Phenix, Specter, voodoo and the list goes on. ATS isnt on that list. If ATS is shitty budget gear to you then you must literaly have a plate carrier made by gucci. He is our resident "operator".... It's funny because it's true! |
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Look, sorry if I got everybody into a pissing match. It's been a couple of years since I bought some serious gear, and like I said, just want to work up a few different rigs, as I expand some of my abilities.
I don't know everything, hell, I don't much. If you look back, I have asked about a few different companies. My reasoning, is to just learn.....not a damn thing else. There is a lot of shit out there that I am not knowledgable on. So therefore I read and read, when I can't put my ass scratchers on it, and then I ask some other guys that may know. Forgive me if I am guilty of starting a shit fight here, it surely was not the intended outcome. Brad, I don't know what you do for a living, but you seem knowledgeable. Feel free to PM me, if you have input, but would rather not fight with others. Other than that, thanks guys ror the help. |
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Call me an asshole, but there's a reason why there have been a few of knowledgable BTDT guys who have left this section of the site, all for the same reason. People try to give their real world experiences to help others, and get met with replies like "well i had X and i used it for a one day carbine course and I didn't like it so it sucks". Some people who are giving their advice have literally lived in the gear they are talking about for months on end.
For every gear question, the answer cannot always be lbt, tyr, etc. there are companies that can cost less AND get the job done, but may not look as "cool" to get it done. Example, I bought four spectre m4 shingles and a surefire pouch back in 2006. I used them for 4 years with two Iraq deployments and every field op in between. Aside from fading, I did not have one single problem with them. A 19 year old PFC can't afford LBT gear, but can get stuff that will closely equal its performance. Another US company that makes bombproof gear for cheap that isn't popular is Spec Ops Brand. Their THE pack was a mule. Some good specter, ATS and SOB goodness in there. 
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ATS is on par with the rest of the USA companies. False ATS is gtg but known budget gear. Not on the same field as mayflower OSOE, HSGI, PIG, esstac, LBT, etc Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Budget to alot of people means kit that is bought on Amazon, sleezebay, and at gun shows. To name a few Condor, Phenix, Specter, voodoo and the list goes on. ATS isnt on that list. If ATS is shitty budget gear to you then you must literaly have a plate carrier made by gucci. He is our resident "operator".... 
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Call me an asshole, but there's a reason why there have been a few of knowledgable BTDT guys who have left this section of the site, all for the same reason. People try to give their real world experiences to help others, and get met with replies like "well i had X and i used it for a one day carbine course and I didn't like it so it sucks". Some people who are giving their advice have literally lived in the gear they are talking about for months on end. For every gear question, the answer cannot always be lbt, tyr, etc. there are companies that can cost less AND get the job done, but may not look as "cool" to get it done. Example, I bought four spectre m4 shingles and a surefire pouch back in 2006. I used them for 4 years with two Iraq deployments and every field op in between. Aside from fading, I did not have one single problem with them. A 19 year old PFC can't afford LBT gear, but can get stuff that will closely equal its performance. Another US company that makes bombproof gear for cheap that isn't popular is Spec Ops Brand. Their THE pack was a mule. Can't call someone an asshole when they speak the truth. 
Too many knowledgable and experienced people have been run off because backyard commandos always have to have an opinion on what works and doesn't work. |
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Call me an asshole, but there's a reason why there have been a few of knowledgable BTDT guys who have left this section of the site, all for the same reason. People try to give their real world experiences to help others, and get met with replies like "well i had X and i used it for a one day carbine course and I didn't like it so it sucks". Some people who are giving their advice have literally lived in the gear they are talking about for months on end. For every gear question, the answer cannot always be lbt, tyr, etc. there are companies that can cost less AND get the job done, but may not look as "cool" to get it done. Example, I bought four spectre m4 shingles and a surefire pouch back in 2006. I used them for 4 years with two Iraq deployments and every field op in between. Aside from fading, I did not have one single problem with them. A 19 year old PFC can't afford LBT gear, but can get stuff that will closely equal its performance. Another US company that makes bombproof gear for cheap that isn't popular is Spec Ops Brand. Their THE pack was a mule. Some good specter, ATS and SOB goodness in there. https://fbcdn-photos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/t1.0-0/208469_1006000077006_3930_n.jpg Spec ops is a good one. I had an assault pack from them(I forget what model it was) but it was an awesome pack that had some minor wear and tear on it from the previous owner. Bomb proof isnt the best measure of durability. BUT joe proof is the true measure and it was that. Haha |
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Spec ops is a good one. I had an assault pack from them(I forget what model it was) but it was an awesome pack that had some minor wear and tear on it from the previous owner. Bomb proof isnt the best measure of durability. BUT joe proof is the true measure and it was that. Haha Quoted:
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Call me an asshole, but there's a reason why there have been a few of knowledgable BTDT guys who have left this section of the site, all for the same reason. People try to give their real world experiences to help others, and get met with replies like "well i had X and i used it for a one day carbine course and I didn't like it so it sucks". Some people who are giving their advice have literally lived in the gear they are talking about for months on end. For every gear question, the answer cannot always be lbt, tyr, etc. there are companies that can cost less AND get the job done, but may not look as "cool" to get it done. Example, I bought four spectre m4 shingles and a surefire pouch back in 2006. I used them for 4 years with two Iraq deployments and every field op in between. Aside from fading, I did not have one single problem with them. A 19 year old PFC can't afford LBT gear, but can get stuff that will closely equal its performance. Another US company that makes bombproof gear for cheap that isn't popular is Spec Ops Brand. Their THE pack was a mule. Some good specter, ATS and SOB goodness in there. https://fbcdn-photos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/t1.0-0/208469_1006000077006_3930_n.jpg Spec ops is a good one. I had an assault pack from them(I forget what model it was) but it was an awesome pack that had some minor wear and tear on it from the previous owner. Bomb proof isnt the best measure of durability. BUT joe proof is the true measure and it was that. Haha Yes, good correction  . They don't seem to be coming out with new stuff very often which might be why they aren't as popular. I've always wanted one of their recon rucks but never got around to getting one. Their wallets are badass too.
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Lotta truth here and that's a shame. However, the flipside is true as well. A lot of people seeking help or posting opinion (even when erroneously couched as "experience) have been run off by LF like "stay in your lane" and "you don't need that for playing Army at a 2 day class" posters.
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Call me an asshole, but there's a reason why there have been a few of knowledgable BTDT guys who have left this section of the site, all for the same reason. People try to give their real world experiences to help others, and get met with replies like "well i had X and i used it for a one day carbine course and I didn't like it so it sucks". Some people who are giving their advice have literally lived in the gear they are talking about for months on end. For every gear question, the answer cannot always be lbt, tyr, etc. there are companies that can cost less AND get the job done, but may not look as "cool" to get it done. Example, I bought four spectre m4 shingles and a surefire pouch back in 2006. I used them for 4 years with two Iraq deployments and every field op in between. Aside from fading, I did not have one single problem with them. A 19 year old PFC can't afford LBT gear, but can get stuff that will closely equal its performance. Another US company that makes bombproof gear for cheap that isn't popular is Spec Ops Brand. Their THE pack was a mule. Can't call someone an asshole when they speak the truth.
Too many knowledgable and experienced people have been run off because backyard commandos always have to have an opinion on what works and doesn't work. |
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Some ATS pouches and so forth for sale here, at reduced prices:http://www.supplycaptain.com/index.cfm?category=74 Various colors/camos available. The ACU stuff can be easily dyed with Rit Apple Green dye, or Rit Taupe (tan/brown) dye.
Have a look around the Site; the "Double/Double" mag pouch by AITES is a very good bargain. I've had no problems with any of the ATS stuff I've used. Quality of materials and construction appears first-rate IMHO. Spec-Ops Brand gear is another mfr to look at; they frequently have sales. Disclaimer: no financial interest |
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ATS is good stuff and makes almost everything.
I've destroyed 2 Tac Tailor operator rucks but the RAID 2 is still going. The only downside to some of their pouches is that they took the more universal approach with the way their PALS/molle attachment is setup. I think some people think they may be budget because its cheaper, but in reality its because it has less 'features' and just does what you need it to rather than have all sorts of bells and whistles. The ATS battle belt is a perfect example of this; its one of the cheapest and sure it doesn't have an integrated belt or slots for armor or random shit in it, but if you simply need a battle belt to hang your shit from and put a riggers through it; it does exactly that with 100% quality in the construction and all Made in the US. |
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