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Posted: 12/18/2009 12:24:22 AM EDT
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Guys, I'd like to see what's out there to let me shoot my AK47 with 22's for survival situations to take small game. I initially posted this thread but someone suggested to also ask here so here I am http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=54&t=124114&page=1󱲎
I have looked at the Ciener kit but he's had some poor feedback so I'm looking for something else. THanks George |
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None that I've heard of.
There's the WASR22, but that's a whole gun. I feel like Ciener'stuff is good for quality and function, but if you can't get it from a vendor, you're at risk of frustration. He doesn't answer the phone, or return (or receive, for that matter) messages. If the item is in stock and you send a money order, you'll get the stuff quickly-2weeks or less. If out of stock, you'll see it after the next production run, possibly in weeks or months. Yesterday I received a kit and 2 spare mags for a Browning HP after mailing the PMO on 12-4-09. I got similar service in '94 when I ordered 30 rd AR mags after the AWB sunsetted. The problem is you have no way of knowing if the stuff's in stock. |
WASR-22 is a neat little rig. I bought one a couple years ago simply because it was $250 and takes AK furniture. That alone was worth the purchase prise IMHO. It works well with hot .22LR ammo; one of my mags is so-so and the other is awesome. The only thing I don't really like is how casings keep ending up in the receiver, but it's not usually an issue as this isn't my high round count rifle. I probably need a couple Black Dog mags to clear it all up, but this is my rifle to play with and tinker over the years. I figured a .22LR built on a AK receiver would be a nice collectible in the future 
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Unless you find a vendor with some in stock, but one from a private seller on GB, or you buy them (and grab them) from him at Knob Creek in person, DON'T.
Now, can anybody speak to the reliability anf function of such an animal? His AR15 and M16 kits are the subject of NUMEROUS complaints. Mike |
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Alright, let me reply to all three in this e mail.
First, although I like the idea of an AK in .22, the main purpose of this was to have something to take small game with in a SHTF situation while only carrying the regular AK and maybe this with an added weight of a couple of pounds. I WILL like into the .22 though :) To TheOtherDave. Why, are you going to make some? If you can and they are reliable and reasonably priced, I would be interested and if so, email me at info @ georgepics . com please as this site doesn't seem to have notification of replies. Prebans, I'm not sure I follow. Are you talking about ciener and if so, did you say buy or do NOT buy his stuff? Thanks George |
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Quoted: Now, can anybody speak to the reliability and function of such an animal? His AR15 and M16 kits are the subject of NUMEROUS complaints. Mike I know of two AK kits with over 25K rounds thru them, and other than a broken firing pin at approx 20K rds in one, they run fine. One is used in an older Hungarian gun, the other in a Valmet M78 (even though JAC says they won't work in a Valmet).  But as with ANY .22 conversion kit..... YMMV.And from the FWIW dept... I had several AK kits come in after a 10 month wait and they sold out quickly - I never heard back from any of the buyers so I presume all was well. |
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Alright, let me reply to all three in this e mail. First, although I like the idea of an AK in .22, the main purpose of this was to have something to take small game with in a SHTF situation while only carrying the regular AK and maybe this with an added weight of a couple of pounds. I WILL like into the .22 though :) To TheOtherDave. Why, are you going to make some? If you can and they are reliable and reasonably priced, I would be interested and if so, email me at info @ georgepics . com please as this site doesn't seem to have notification of replies. Prebans, I'm not sure I follow. Are you talking about ciener and if so, did you say buy or do NOT buy his stuff? Thanks George George, I'm saying to avoid mail order with Ceiner. If you can get the kit in person or through a reputable vendor, go for it! But through the mail with Ceiner? I don't advise it. Mike |
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Now, can anybody speak to the reliability and function of such an animal? His AR15 and M16 kits are the subject of NUMEROUS complaints. Mike I know of two AK kits with over 25K rounds thru them, and other than a broken firing pin at approx 20K rds in one, they run fine. One is used in an older Hungarian gun, the other in a Valmet M78 (even though JAC says they won't work in a Valmet). But as with ANY .22 conversion kit..... YMMV.
And from the FWIW dept... I had several AK kits come in after a 10 month wait and they sold out quickly - I never heard back from any of the buyers so I presume all was well. Fair enough! I'd love to have a TSMG with his kit or an AK kit modded to work in FA, but I've always been nervous about his customer "service." Thank you for that information! Mike |
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George, I'm saying to avoid mail order with Ceiner. If you can get the kit in person or through a reputable vendor, go for it! But through the mail with Ceiner? I don't advise it. Mike Ok. so presumably you're talking about IF I have to take it back for some reason, the guy's service sucks? But if I buy somewhere else, they'll still have to send it back to him IF there is a problem, right? George |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Now, can anybody speak to the reliability and function of such an animal? His AR15 and M16 kits are the subject of NUMEROUS complaints. Mike I know of two AK kits with over 25K rounds thru them, and other than a broken firing pin at approx 20K rds in one, they run fine. One is used in an older Hungarian gun, the other in a Valmet M78 (even though JAC says they won't work in a Valmet). But as with ANY .22 conversion kit..... YMMV.And from the FWIW dept... I had several AK kits come in after a 10 month wait and they sold out quickly - I never heard back from any of the buyers so I presume all was well. Fair enough! I'd love to have a TSMG with his kit or an AK kit modded to work in FA, but I've always been nervous about his customer "service." Thank you for that information! Mike A few years ago at a MG shoot here in Florida I was on the line next to JAC and he had a Thompson with his kit in it. After talking with him about it during the cease fires he eventually let me run a few mags thru it. Darn thing ran like a Swiss watch but, seeing how it was his gun, I kinda expected it to run.  |
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Quoted: Yeah, I like the idea but what IF you have problems and the dude's service sucks, what do you do then? Then you start thread on ARFCOM bitching about the "dude's service sucks" which will have no effect on "the dude" and do nothing to fix the problem. Merry Christmas! |
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Then you start thread on ARFCOM bitching about the "dude's service sucks" which will have no effect on "the dude" and do nothing to fix the problem.
Merry Christmas! :) Yeah, that's the whole problem isn't it? Merry X to you too |
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I would definitely be interested in a conversion that is readily available for my 7.62 AK's as well as my 5.56 Norinco 84S.  Seems enough people might be interested. Should we try to interest someone in a group buy/manufacture of these things? Suggestions as to who? The makers of the AR kit or someone here..? |
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Alright, let me reply to all three in this e mail. First, although I like the idea of an AK in .22, the main purpose of this was to have something to take small game with in a SHTF situation while only carrying the regular AK and maybe this with an added weight of a couple of pounds. I WILL like into the .22 though :) To TheOtherDave. Why, are you going to make some? If you can and they are reliable and reasonably priced, I would be interested and if so, email me at info @ georgepics . com please as this site doesn't seem to have notification of replies. Prebans, I'm not sure I follow. Are you talking about ciener and if so, did you say buy or do NOT buy his stuff? Thanks George I wouldn't say that I'm looking to make any. I've never even seen one. However, I do have a friend that recently got his ffl/sot and we are looking at creative ways to make money at a time when everyone is a cheap bastard in the military firearms world. This is an established CNC shop that I serve in a product development role. Can't make any claims about what we may or more likely may not produce, but good things are coming. I can't fathom why anyone would give JAC any more than the sweat off their balls given his treatment of his customers. Or, at least you'd call them customers if he actually delivered product he was paid for. Buying his products from mail order outfits to my thinking only rewards his behavior. The other thing, is who do you call when it breaks? HKshooter's .22 pistol conversion broke last week (bad welds) and JAC told him to FOAD if his thread is to be believed. |
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Alright, put me on the list for the first one then :)
You're right, people that don't treat their customers right shouldn't be in business but sadly enough, many people sell his products under apparently different names so it's hard for people to know how bad this guy/company is. It seems that if you can keep the price down, you should be able to sell some. Count me in for doing the website if you guys are interested. Keep in mind we're not the only ones interested in shooting the AK's cheaply AND, the reason I started this thread, to be able to hunt small game in a SHTF scenario. George |
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You don't have anyone near you that has one? Where are you located? If that is towards me, i have tried it in a home build AK and the mag wouldn't fit. I did a mock up in my saiga and everything fit but it's not put together completely so i havent got to shoot it yet. Im not big on AK's to begin with. If somebody shows up at the range and wants to try it out im more then willing to let them try. I have fun with my other toys for the time being. |
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Yep ,it was for you but why then do you have one? I bought it right after buying my Saiga. I shot a bunch and then never got around to finishing the conversion. Now everything is sitting in back of the safe. I should just put it up for sale one day. you have 1 interested party now. count me in as cash in hand party #2. depending on your asking price of course.:) |
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WASR-22 is a neat little rig. I bought one a couple years ago simply because it was $250 and takes AK furniture. That alone was worth the purchase prise IMHO. It works well with hot .22LR ammo; one of my mags is so-so and the other is awesome. The only thing I don't really like is how casings keep ending up in the receiver, but it's not usually an issue as this isn't my high round count rifle. I probably need a couple Black Dog mags to clear it all up, but this is my rifle to play with and tinker over the years. I figured a .22LR built on a AK receiver would be a nice collectible in the future FTE problems have multiple fixes. Go here to the WASR22 forum; http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=108 |
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