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Posted: 8/12/2011 1:58:45 PM EDT
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Have you guys ever made tannerite or similar exploding targets? Experiances? Tips?
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| There was a verry long thread on this a few months back, answer is yes but it's kinda a gray area. Really depends on where you live as to weather or not neighbors will be bothered and call the PD. Set off store bought ones and had the state ATF bomb investigators show up a few days later asking about what happened. Probably can't do that again. |
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I was hoping to shoot them at my range, but dont want any attention there. It is completely legal right? well yes seeing at store bought stuff is but i'm not on my home computer with the links to the ATF laws that say it actually is. i know the AR15 home town shoot last year in KY they went threw 700lbs of AN fertilizer. i just realized your next door in RI, where do you plan to use this as if there are neighbors they WILL call the cops and you will have to explain to them that you making low grade explosives is legal. unless you can quote laws and what section they are in you'll have a hard time not going for a ride in the back of their car to the station. others will chime in i'm sure who can better inform you. |
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the search feature of this site leaves me desirous, as in I can't find shit. Does anyone have a link to the last thread where the companies that do mail order supplies were mentioned I found it in my history: http://scienceforyou.net/exploding-rifle-targets/bulk-exploding-rifle-target-mix-50lbs.html |
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At the Federal level binary explosives are 100% legal. Local milage may vary though. Check your State laws. If you shoot it at you local range, even a commercial half pounder, you WILL get some attention. It produces a deep, loud BOOM that isn't easily mistaken for a rifle.
Get your white stuff, your grey stuff, some containers, mix it at the range, shoot it at the range, do not transport anything mixed on public roadways and all will be fine unless you get an easily excitible LEO involved. We're having our ARFCOM Shoot next month and I'll be mixing up several hundred pounds for our car-destroying pleasure. We do it once or twice every year with zero problems. Here is a short video of our mix in action. I think it work pretty well. ARFCOM 2010 Tannerite |
| i've looked threw the above links and i can't really find a part that says really simply "this shit is legal" so i can show an LEO if i need to. can anyone point that out to me? i have an ever growing binder of NFA forms and now gun laws that i carry with me when i go places and would like to add a section for explosives. |
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i've looked threw the above links and i can't really find a part that says really simply "this shit is legal" so i can show an LEO if i need to. can anyone point that out to me? i have an ever growing binder of NFA forms and now gun laws that i carry with me when i go places and would like to add a section for explosives. Go to the batfe website, search, and learn. I write doctoral theses for $3k. Need one? |
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There was a verry long thread on this a few months back, answer is yes but it's kinda a gray area. Really depends on where you live as to weather or not neighbors will be bothered and call the PD. Set off store bought ones and had the state ATF bomb investigators show up a few days later asking about what happened. Probably can't do that again. I'm curious. What are the gray areas? Either it is legal where you are or not. The "bomb investigators" showed up to question you and appearently you aren't posting from a jail cell so it must be legal. Why can you "probably" not do that again since it isn't illegal? Seems sort of odd. |
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Laws almost never say 'this shit is legal'. They say, 'this shit is not legal'. If it doesn't say 'this shit is not legal', it might be legal. This is 100% correct. nothing is illegal until they put a law on the books making it illegal. Until they write a law preventing you from driving while picking your nose you're free to drive and dig all you like. |
| A few weeks ago we mixed and shot a 1lb target out on a friend's property. His neighbors panicked, a few minutes after shooting it, we start seeing cars drive down all the gravel roads behind us and people getting out to see what was going on. We made a point of setting down most of our weapons and trying to go over to talk to them. As soon as we started walking most of them ran off, one women even screaming for someone to call 911. One of the neighbors came running down screaming at us that our activities were a felony. We suggested that if he wasn't going to be civil with us then he was more than welcome to contact the sheriff's office and talk to them (we make a point of giving the county sheriff a heads up before using tannerite) he did so and I'm guessing the sheriff told him to leave us alone because we continued to shoot for another couple of hours and were never bothered for the rest of the day. People can be stupid. My suggestion would be printing out the paperwork, having it with you and giving your neighbors and local law enforcement a heads up. |
| Well Tannerite is actually something like 5 different ingredients so no. Doesn't matter how many ingredients are in it, it's not an explosive until it's all mixed. The gray area here would be that certain explosives (flash powder is a good example) are illegal to make (and actually more simple than tannerite) whereas black powder, tannerite, sure shot, hot shot, red jacket etc. etc. are all legal to have mixed (up to 50 lbs) without a FEL. And while there's no limit to the amount of the components you can have on hand, you can expect some attention if you order any large amounts (usually anywhere from 10-25lbs depending on who you order from). |
| Tannerite is aluminum and ammonium nitrate. The rest of the constituents listed on the patent are smoke and mirrors. All explosives, flash powder included, are OK to make for personal, non-commercial use (as far as the feds are concerned). Where you run into legal issues with any explosive is storage, transportation, conducting commerce (making stuff for sale), or nefarious usage (as well as state and local laws). |
| So if I had AL powder, AN, petrochlorate, nitro meth at my disposal how is that bomb making materials? Everything is unmixed. Now does initiation type matter? If you made flash powder that is electronically initiated and as a primary charge for tannerite type material that's still good? I was looking threw the ATF books but I can't find the section on this. |
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So if I had AL powder, AN, petrochlorate, nitro meth at my disposal how is that bomb making materials? Everything is unmixed. Now does initiation type matter? If you made flash powder that is electronically initiated and as a primary charge for tannerite type material that's still good? I was looking threw the ATF books but I can't find the section on this. This thread is about tannerite and its home brew cousins. We should leave it like that. Did you ever think to call the BATFE with your questions? They might be the best source for info. |
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What's petrochlorate? "bomb making materials" are anything the arresting officer thinks might be bomb making materials, that the county attorney chooses to prosecute on. Like they say, you might be right, but you probably can't afford the ride.
Initiation type does matter, because if you don't initiate it with a bullet, you need to store your initiator, and that takes an explosives license (and a magazine)...Stick with bullets. Also, AZ has laws on the books against fireworks. Anything flash powder will likely fall into that category, and as such, be illegal. Arizona's fireworks law is so ambiguous, tannerite and it's home made brethren are arguably already 'fireworks'. What you need is called the 'Orange book'. ATF publishes it. Covers all the federal laws on explosives. Stay safe, and stay legal. |
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This is a hint on where to find one of the better vids I've seen on this. It is LEGAL if you do things correctly, CHECK YOUR LOCAL LAWS.
http://youtu.be/eihveM_bWOw 
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The additional ingredients add additional effects, the titanium sponge will result in the orange sparks you see when first detonated, I can't remember the other components right now but if I remember right they provided more smoke. Yes, it will go off without those additional ingredients, but they add to the effect and are what separates tannerite from the other more/less powerful targets. For homemade targets, Al and NH4NO3 are all you need and a good start. If you want additional effects, look into your local laws on fireworks and then the ATF laws and go from there. The problem with that is that if you don't know very well what you're doing, you can accidentally make the mixture more sensitive and actually set it off while mixing. And yes, anything over 50mg of flash powder in a closed container is ILLEGAL. Anywhere. It doesn't need to be transported or even change hands to be illegal. It's manufacture and/or possession is illegal.
In short, IF you can find an affordable source of AN, aluminum powder can be cheap and you can make your own targets for less than buying any of the name brands. I enjoy making my own and experimenting with different effects, I don't really do it to save money. ETA: That is a great video if you're looking to make your own, that's actually where I started. |
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The additional ingredients add additional effects, the titanium sponge will result in the orange sparks you see when first detonated, I have never seen any sparks at all from Tannerite. And yes, anything over 50mg of flash powder in a closed container is ILLEGAL. Anywhere. It doesn't need to be transported or even change hands to be illegal. It's manufacture and/or possession is illegal.
No, it's not. Much like NFA law, explosive laws are complex and sometimes nonsensical. If you make your flash powder fireworks yourself, don't store them, don't ship them, don't drive them down the highway, they don't have jurisdiction. State laws may differ. In application, this would be logistically challenging... but, if you obey the laws, you can do it legally. Fireworks clubs do it at their meets (the letter referenced below was written on behalf of a fireworks club). From a letter from the ATF dated 22 mar 2007: Ql: I manufacture fireworks for my own personal use. I do not intend to sell or distribute the fireworks, nor sell a service in which the fireworks are used. I will be using the fireworks at the premises where I manufactured them. Do I need a manufacturer's license or any permit from ATF? A: No. A manufacturer's license is needed only by persons engaged in the business of manufacturing fireworks for Sale, distribution, or for a commercial use. A permit would be required if you were going to transport or cause to be transported the explosive materials. A permit would also be required if any materials you receive for use in manufacturing your fireworks are defined as explosive materials, such as black powder, flash powder, etc. However, this does not exempt an individual from stricter State/local requirements. One must also abide by all storage requirements listed in 27 CFR, Part 555, Subpart K -Storage, including the table of distances requirements for fireworks process buildings. Under the law any person must store explosives in accordance with Part 555 regulations. |
| over the next few months on my Afghan deployment i plan on going threw all the ATF books and letters so i can put together a folder of all the laws pertaining to home made Tannerite so i can add that to my "shooting book" that i carry with me when i go out. it has my trust documents along with the FOPA of 86 part on inner state commerce laws and all my NFA Form 1/4s so if i get pulled over in Mass i won't get arrested by some ill informed cop. by the time i'm done it's going to look like a phone book. |
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A little mix from this past weekend
http://youtu.be/qYNZ8AK-Awc |
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This is a hint on where to find one of the better vids I've seen on this. It is LEGAL if you do things correctly, CHECK YOUR LOCAL LAWS. http://youtu.be/eihveM_bWOw  http://youtu.be/eihveM_bWOwI like it. Can you make the vid open to public? |
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