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Posted: 7/13/2007 11:44:43 AM EDT
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I handled one at the Valley Forge Gun Show a few weeks ago and loved it. But I don`t see much about it in the Shotgun News, Guns and Ammo, or here at AR15.com. What gives? Who else has one or wants one? Post some pics |
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I've fired the Steyr SPP before which is the semi pistol version of the TMP. The trigger is lousy since it's the same as the TMP trigger minus the FA capability. In other words, it had the same long distance of travel but you had to pull all the way back to just fire a single instead of going full auto. Unless B&T has changed the trigger, yuck. As for the stock... http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22823 |
Exactly. As a stockless, semi-auto pistol it is crap. Even as a little SMG it is kinda crap, I prefer the mini or micro UZI. |
The UZI...give me a break...yuck.  Too each their own though.  B&T has a really nice website full of information on the MP9. Defense review did an excellent article as well on the MP9. B&T did a lot of improvements on the original Steyr design and it is a solid pistol caliber PDW. However, because it shoots a 9mm round instead of the newer PDW rounds like the 5.7x28mm or the 4.6x30mm I think that it is sort of a dated concept. I am no longer a fan of PDWs chambered in 9mm and would rather spend money on a PS90 (which I did) or stick with a traditional pistol (although the KRISS in .45 ACP may be worth a look). It is still cool looking and I'm sure fun as hell to shoot firearm, but as a man with a limited budget for firearms I'm forced to spend my money on more practical firearms. 
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Well, thats true it would be pretty silent with a decent suppressor. If you chould SBR the sucker and the triger was nice (reports from SHOT say the trigger sucks) it would be more interesting. |
Thats true if the pull is too heavy, but it is hard to get a trigger more crisp or make it have a shorter reset. I think the complaints about the MP9 centered around the trigger just being too heavy, and if that was the only issue that could be solved. |
Brutha, trust me on this. The MP5 is a Rolls-Royce, the B&T is a Datsun with oily engine. The suppressor is huge, much bigger than a similarly quiet MP5 suppressor - the QD system is good though. It blows gas out of the charging handle worse than a suppressed M16 does but can't be fixed with a dab of silicone like an M16. The trigger is significantly worse than a Glock trigger - and I hate Glocks. It is too large and badly shaped to carry comfortably as a PDW and there are no holsters available - the HK and FN PDWs are miles ahead even without considering the calibre. It is marginally entertaining as a subgun toy on a range, even STEns are more fun. The two features that are great are the mags and the folding stock. And yes, mini/micro Uzis are better as are Scorpions and Mk7 Sterlings, all of which are ancient PDW concepts. As a semi-auto pistol there is absolutely no point in owning one.  
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+1 I also had the SPP. Crappy trigger, crappier sights, pricey and hard-to-find mags. In semi-auto, you'd do far better with a G17 with 33rd mags. |
my personal favorite which happened to me recently "why would you ever shoot standing, you won't be able to hit anything, that's why the bench's are here!" He was super pissed too, for the offense of shooting standing. |
| Fudds think that black rifles will lead to them losing their ability to own hunting rifles they would rather throw us under the bus to keep the liberals happy, but they forget that in Australia and the UK the liberals didn't stop at black rifles they banned pretty much everything. Plus, now the liberals have pretty much banned most popular forms of hunting as well. |
Come down to Dietz range in New Braunfels, Texas. The "range captain" is a 50-something year old doofus with a beer gut the size of a hoppity horse. If he sees you on the premises with anything other than a bolt-action, he will harass you endlessly. Those that have dared to take any semi autos there, and have encountered him know exactly how much of an ass he is. |
OT: Is the Squat 'n Gobble still open in New Braunfels? |
It was open the last time I was there. I quit going last year after the aforementioned "range captain" went on a tirade that I honestly feared might end in a physical confrontation, which is not good on a firing range. I had been going there for 12 years, and the level of arrogant range naziness against semi auto owners had finally reached epic proportions. |
Proper response: "sir, I'm younger than you but in all my years afield I have yet to find a bench like that in the woods. Unless the person is hunting over bait." Say "hunting over bait" like you're accusing them of it and it's the most offensive thing that's ever occured in the history of hunting. |
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