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Posted: 4/1/2015 12:25:09 AM EDT
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Im not clear on this and would like some advice.
I have a Benelli M2 Tactical Shotgun with pistol grip stock, currently in factory configuration. I would like to replace the stock magazine tube with a full length one. In order to comply with 922, do I need any additional US made parts? If so, how many? Thanks in advance! |
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Im not clear on this and would like some advice. I have a Benelli M2 Tactical Shotgun with pistol grip stock, currently in factory configuration. I would like to replace the stock magazine tube with a full length one. In order to comply with 922, do I need any additional US made parts? If so, how many? Thanks in advance! No, your good. Right off the bat, you are 3,or 4 parts in the good over a m4. Add away! |
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No, your good. Right off the bat, you are 3,or 4 parts in the good over a m4. Add away! Quoted:
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Im not clear on this and would like some advice. I have a Benelli M2 Tactical Shotgun with pistol grip stock, currently in factory configuration. I would like to replace the stock magazine tube with a full length one. In order to comply with 922, do I need any additional US made parts? If so, how many? Thanks in advance! No, your good. Right off the bat, you are 3,or 4 parts in the good over a m4. Add away! I don't believe it works that way. Doesn't matter what the M4 has, matters that the M2 has fewer than 10 foreign manufactured parts comprising its construction. The list differs depending on the make and model and the components have to be what the BATFE has approved for listed components. Also if the extension is Benelli factory conponent it becomes an additional component on the list. |
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I don't believe it works that way. Doesn't matter what the M4 has, matters that the M2 has fewer than 10 foreign manufactured parts comprising its construction. The list differs depending on the make and model and the components have to be what the BATFE has approved for listed components. Also if the extension is Benelli factory conponent it becomes an additional component on the list. Quoted:
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Im not clear on this and would like some advice. I have a Benelli M2 Tactical Shotgun with pistol grip stock, currently in factory configuration. I would like to replace the stock magazine tube with a full length one. In order to comply with 922, do I need any additional US made parts? If so, how many? Thanks in advance! No, your good. Right off the bat, you are 3,or 4 parts in the good over a m4. Add away! I don't believe it works that way. Doesn't matter what the M4 has, matters that the M2 has fewer than 10 foreign manufactured parts comprising its construction. The list differs depending on the make and model and the components have to be what the BATFE has approved for listed components. Also if the extension is Benelli factory conponent it becomes an additional component on the list. 922(r) specifies "magazine body" not magazine extension. Adding a factory extension does not change the parts count whatsoever since the "magazine" is already imported. What happens in adding the extension is the magazine capacity increases beyond what is allowed on an imported shotgun, from 5-rounds to more than 5-rounds. To compensate, you must reduce the number of imported parts to 10 or less in order to create a "non-imported" shotgun under 922r. Similarly, adding a U.S.-made mag extension won't help you since it's not a 922(r) listed part to begin with. You would need to replace the whole "magazine". There are many options for US-made parts. Freedom Fighter Tactical should be a one-stop shop for you. |
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922(r) specifies "magazine body" not magazine extension. Adding a factory extension does not change the parts count whatsoever since the "magazine" is already imported. What happens in adding the extension is the magazine capacity increases beyond what is allowed on an imported shotgun, from 5-rounds to more than 5-rounds. To compensate, you must reduce the number of imported parts to 10 or less in order to create a "non-imported" shotgun under 922r. Similarly, adding a U.S.-made mag extension won't help you since it's not a 922(r) listed part to begin with. You would need to replace the whole "magazine". There are many options for US-made parts. Freedom Fighter Tactical should be a one-stop shop for you. Quoted:
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Im not clear on this and would like some advice. I have a Benelli M2 Tactical Shotgun with pistol grip stock, currently in factory configuration. I would like to replace the stock magazine tube with a full length one. In order to comply with 922, do I need any additional US made parts? If so, how many? Thanks in advance! No, your good. Right off the bat, you are 3,or 4 parts in the good over a m4. Add away! I don't believe it works that way. Doesn't matter what the M4 has, matters that the M2 has fewer than 10 foreign manufactured parts comprising its construction. The list differs depending on the make and model and the components have to be what the BATFE has approved for listed components. Also if the extension is Benelli factory conponent it becomes an additional component on the list. 922(r) specifies "magazine body" not magazine extension. Adding a factory extension does not change the parts count whatsoever since the "magazine" is already imported. What happens in adding the extension is the magazine capacity increases beyond what is allowed on an imported shotgun, from 5-rounds to more than 5-rounds. To compensate, you must reduce the number of imported parts to 10 or less in order to create a "non-imported" shotgun under 922r. Similarly, adding a U.S.-made mag extension won't help you since it's not a 922(r) listed part to begin with. You would need to replace the whole "magazine". There are many options for US-made parts. Freedom Fighter Tactical should be a one-stop shop for you. That makes more sense. I think I've read the M2 as having 12 foreign parts but I always reduce parts to at least one less than neccessary to be compliant. Remember 922R compliance is on the modder. It is not illegal to own a non-compliant firearm if you did not modify it but you gotta be able to prove that.... |
| I just picked up an M2 Tactical with the pistol grip stock today for $800. Used but other than a slight bit of surface rust on the barrel that came right off, you would hardly know it. I too am looking at putting a DMW magazine extension on it and it sounds like that alone isn't going to cut it as counting as a part. The next item that should count is a US made follower. Throw in a FFT disconnecter and that should make 2 parts and that should be legal I believe. Might look at a hammer instead (or in addition to) depending on which one would be easier to replace. |
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Quoted: Remember 922R compliance is on the modder. It is not illegal to own a non-compliant firearm if you did not modify it but you gotta be able to prove that.... No, you don't have to prove anything. Burden of proof rests on the state. That is an extremely difficult thing to prove. It's unlikely your firearm would ever fall under scrutiny to begin with. |
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No, you don't have to prove anything. Burden of proof rests on the state. That is an extremely difficult thing to prove. It's unlikely your firearm would ever fall under scrutiny to begin with. Quoted:
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Remember 922R compliance is on the modder. It is not illegal to own a non-compliant firearm if you did not modify it but you gotta be able to prove that.... No, you don't have to prove anything. Burden of proof rests on the state. That is an extremely difficult thing to prove. It's unlikely your firearm would ever fall under scrutiny to begin with. True, but a firearm modded in violation of 922r is not a keeper. Highly unlikely to ever get there, but if it ever came down to it said firearm would be confiscated. That gun would be contraband and evidence of the 922r violation itself. You cannot keep an illegal firearm even if you are not charged with any crime. |
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I have not seen any precedent that it would be considered contraband. Mere possession is not a crime. I doubt anyone could substantiate enough probable cause for the violation without any apparent suspect, but that's just my opinion. I am not a lawyer. Further, I don't see why one couldn't argue for the firearm's release (by a judge) in the event it had been confiscated as you describe (again, with no suspect) but of course that's up to the court. I haven't heard of one being confiscated solely based on a 922 violation. Have you? See ATF letter here: http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261731 |
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I have not seen any precedent that it would be considered contraband. Mere possession is not a crime. I doubt anyone could substantiate enough probable cause for the violation without any apparent suspect, but that's just my opinion. I am not a lawyer. Further, I don't see why one couldn't argue for the firearm's release (by a judge) in the event it had been confiscated as you describe (again, with no suspect) but of course that's up to the court. I haven't heard of one being confiscated solely based on a 922 violation. Have you? See ATF letter here: http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261731 In my opinion, 922r is wholly unenforceable and I have never heard of any arrest, let alone indictment, prosecution or conviction. That being said, it is a federal law and ignoring it presents an unnecessary vulnerability. |
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True, but a firearm modded in violation of 922r is not a keeper. Highly unlikely to ever get there, but if it ever came down to it said firearm would be confiscated. That gun would be contraband and evidence of the 922r violation itself. You cannot keep an illegal firearm even if you are not charged with any crime. Quoted:
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Remember 922R compliance is on the modder. It is not illegal to own a non-compliant firearm if you did not modify it but you gotta be able to prove that.... No, you don't have to prove anything. Burden of proof rests on the state. That is an extremely difficult thing to prove. It's unlikely your firearm would ever fall under scrutiny to begin with. True, but a firearm modded in violation of 922r is not a keeper. Highly unlikely to ever get there, but if it ever came down to it said firearm would be confiscated. That gun would be contraband and evidence of the 922r violation itself. You cannot keep an illegal firearm even if you are not charged with any crime. Im not sure this is true either as I have seen firearms in violation for sale from FFL's who took them on trade in or bought them from owners. They have always maintained that they were received in that configuration therefore no liability rests with them or the buyer. I myself owned a Benelli M1S90 full tactical model that was imported in that configuration. I bought it as a agency trade in. I was asked about it once by a federal agent while shooting on a private range. He was a guest of the owner, once I told him the circumstances under which it was purchased he dropped the issue however he did tell another shooter that his Tristar semi-auto was in violation with a user added mag extension. |
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Im not sure this is true either as I have seen firearms in violation for sale from FFL's who took them on trade in or bought them from owners. They have always maintained that they were received in that configuration therefore no liability rests with them or the buyer. I myself owned a Benelli M1S90 full tactical model that was imported in that configuration. I bought it as a agency trade in. I was asked about it once by a federal agent while shooting on a private range. He was a guest of the owner, once I told him the circumstances under which it was purchased he dropped the issue however he did tell another shooter that his Tristar semi-auto was in violation with a user added mag extension. Quoted:
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Remember 922R compliance is on the modder. It is not illegal to own a non-compliant firearm if you did not modify it but you gotta be able to prove that.... No, you don't have to prove anything. Burden of proof rests on the state. That is an extremely difficult thing to prove. It's unlikely your firearm would ever fall under scrutiny to begin with. True, but a firearm modded in violation of 922r is not a keeper. Highly unlikely to ever get there, but if it ever came down to it said firearm would be confiscated. That gun would be contraband and evidence of the 922r violation itself. You cannot keep an illegal firearm even if you are not charged with any crime. Im not sure this is true either as I have seen firearms in violation for sale from FFL's who took them on trade in or bought them from owners. They have always maintained that they were received in that configuration therefore no liability rests with them or the buyer. I myself owned a Benelli M1S90 full tactical model that was imported in that configuration. I bought it as a agency trade in. I was asked about it once by a federal agent while shooting on a private range. He was a guest of the owner, once I told him the circumstances under which it was purchased he dropped the issue however he did tell another shooter that his Tristar semi-auto was in violation with a user added mag extension. Firearms imported for sale to LE are exempt from 922r, and that exemption continues after LE decides to trade them out of inventory or sell them into the civilian market. An LE trade-in can be in any non-NFA configuration desired and hence are worth a bit more than a similar non-LE gun. Watched a Benelli M4 in full USMC configuration climb above $4000 a few months ago on Gunbroker because it was an LE gun that was traded in. The configuration was perfectly legal with all OEM parts. |
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