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Posted: 5/16/2024 9:02:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BorderDave: Does this firearm have any advantages over a CZ Scorpion that costs about half the price of this? Before or after the Scorpion breaks? |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2024 9:19:37 AM EST
[#2]
It looks like one of those tec-9's or whatever they were called.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2024 11:38:07 AM EST
[#3]
This thread is a little lacking in pics, so here's the art of possible with factory doodads:
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Posted: 5/16/2024 12:03:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: JohnCarter17]
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnhd: Easy solution - use KCI B&T Mags for $30 a pop. Can't do much about the plastic stock, but there are plenty of platforms that use all-polymer folders and hold up just fine (APC, UMP, G36, Vector, Sig 55X, Bren 2 just to name a few). You should see how much a new polymer 553 stock costs... Also for anyone looking, I created a subreddit with a user manual link (since Beretta doesn't include one in the box) and a running list of links for accessories: https://www.reddit.com/r/BerettaPMX Thanks for the mash info and manual link. Any feedback on the KCI B&T mags? I think I read in a review that the only effective difference is the feed lips, which on the OEM allow better feeding of hollow points. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 1:34:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: stimr2]
[#5]
All I run on my B&Ts and the PMXs are the KCI magazines. I've had zero issues with them feeding all types of ammo. Only issues I've seen about the KCI mags are with the TP9 and not feeding flat nose and HPs.
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ITA
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Posted: 5/18/2024 5:01:21 AM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnCarter17: Before or after the Scorpion breaks? LOL what? 
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:34:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: JohnCarter17]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frens: LOL what? LOL     Some attribution to ammo, OOB firing, etc. CZ forums |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 10:03:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: Frens]
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnCarter17: LOL https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170830/6f337f64fd302bb9f647be7cbacfd61e.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170830/19805f620e7ed4d90243d14768b3bb2d.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170830/0c9eec034d9bfd600516981e4b7e7abc.jpg https://i.redd.it/pituy4sffw741.jpg Some attribution to ammo, OOB firing, etc. CZ forums Glocks have been doing that before internet. Any gun can kaboom. Still own my Glock. Shitty ammo or reloads is my guess. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:44:51 PM EST
[#9]
Some blame the soft metal CZ used in the bolt and striker block causing peening over time contributing to the OBD.
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Posted: 5/19/2024 1:37:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stimr2: Some blame the soft metal CZ used in the bolt and striker block causing peening over time contributing to the OBD. Yeah I’ve seen those pics.. I don’t know.. I have the oldest Evo on arfcom (2013 released in EU) and I’ve never experienced the horror issues reported on the US models… I’m not an expert but a complete OOB detonation seems an unrealistic situation to me… the hammer would impact the carrier instead of the FP. A couple of milliliters before a round is being completely chambered the FPB is engaged but I think that’s not enough to cause a kaboom. Now if we introduce aluminum case ammo that would be a different story…. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 9:00:27 PM EST
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Posted: 6/2/2024 12:08:27 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cherenkov: Benelli is down to $799 after $150 rebate https://www.bereli.com/beretta-pmx-6-89-barrel-ns-30-round-magazine-black-pistol/?utm_campaign=%5BDOD%20-%20BERETTA%20PMX%5D%20Email%20Campaign%202024-05-31%20%2801HZ85YR4G2T7YD958SH1H0TTG%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Bereli%20Emails%20-%20All&_kx=ImL-KazmFfEHE6dKs14wkqVI5pQsStma9twPiuxon3Npzjdhl2nvXg0-icETPq19.PcfdLm  Attached File Attached Filethis thing is smooth, haven't shot it yet waiting on a brace and eventually I'm going to sbr it |
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Posted: 6/10/2024 8:28:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: Kent]
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Last Stand: Any experience with the PMXs that indicate ammo-pickiness? Not so much hollow-points, but bullet weights, charges, etc? Will it run 100% on cheap old Winchester White Box 115g FMJ, or does it need 124g to run 100%?
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Posted: 6/10/2024 10:16:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kent: Alright alright alright ... the current PMXS price has pretty much wore me down and exhausted my resistance. A man can only withstand so much. Last Stand: Any experience with the PMXs that indicate ammo-pickiness? Not so much hollow-points, but bullet weights, charges, etc? Will it run 100% on cheap old Winchester White Box 115g FMJ, or does it need 124g to run 100%? Any final words of discouragement to dissuade me? I am also curious about the ammo bit. In addition to bullet weights and loads, has anybody tried flat nose rounds? |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 6/11/2024 1:04:59 AM EST
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Do any binary trigger options work with it?
I think I remember reading that the B&T Franklin trigger would work with the P26. If one can be made to work, is there anything to prevent an OOB issue? If these prices stay the same, or drop, I plan to pick one up this year. |
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Posted: 6/11/2024 9:35:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: sabre331]
[#17]
Haven't shot mine yet, I've been waiting on a brace from A3 , it's supposed to arrive Friday , I'll run some different rounds through it this weekend , see if there's any problems with hollow points or flat nose and The different grain ammo
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/12/2024 7:08:48 AM EST
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I ran several mags of 124 grain bulk 9mm through mine without issue, same goes for some flat-nose 147 subsonic stuff a buddy of mine brought with us to the range. Ate everything I put through it with no issues.
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Posted: 6/14/2024 1:58:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: Kent]
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Well, the $799 price (after rebate) claims another victim. I'm pretty happy with it so far.
FYI - I think the $150 rebate ends June 30, so not much time left. Also, Beretta has a 20% off sitewide sale for Father's Day weekend, including PMX mags and the factory picatinny rail end cap. So, "right now" seems to be a good time to jump if you're wanting one. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 6/18/2024 2:33:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnhd: This thread is a little lacking in pics, so here's the art of possible with factory doodads: Thats hot. |
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Posted: 6/19/2024 6:57:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kent: Well, the $799 price (after rebate) claims another victim. I'm pretty happy with it so far. FYI - I think the $150 rebate ends June 30, so not much time left. Also, Beretta has a 20% off sitewide sale for Father's Day weekend, including PMX mags and the factory picatinny rail end cap. So, "right now" seems to be a good time to jump if you're wanting one. Yeah $800 for these is a steal. |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 6/20/2024 9:35:40 AM EST
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Too bad Beretta doesn’t go back to making the PM12 and offer a semi pistol in the US.
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Posted: 6/20/2024 2:49:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: Too bad Beretta doesn’t go back to making the PM12 and offer a semi pistol in the US. Some Asian (?) company that used to make them under license is supposed to bring it to the market in semiauto… I recall a video from shot show 2024 |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 3:20:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frens: Some Asian (?) company that used to make them under license is supposed to bring it to the market in semiauto… I recall a video from shot show 2024 Yes I saw that with enthusiasm. I believe it was Pindad in Indonesia. I think they have a way to go with all the approvals and paperwork that would need to be done, but it is promising. A PM-12 clone with a tail hook brace would be a fun "handgun" Interesting they refer to the clone as "roller locked delayed blowback" I sort of doubt it but interesting if so (it has to be closed bolt ) so maybe - but it looks like they just took a stock and grip off the SMG for public interest.  https://www.guns.com/news/2024/01/29/license-made-fnc-bm-59-and-pm12-headed-to-us-from-pindad-of-indonesia |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 7/28/2024 12:17:29 PM EST
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Just picked up a PMX!
Apparently, someone is making ole' school PM12S style foregrips for the PMX. I can't find them anywhere. Does anyone have a lead? Grazie! |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 7/29/2024 5:35:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: willi3d]
[#26]
Where are you guys that have SBR’d the PMXS putting the engraving? Got my F1 approved, but haven’t decided on a good location on the receiver to engrave it.
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Posted: 7/31/2024 2:07:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lavgrunt: Just picked up a PMX! Apparently, someone is making ole' school PM12S style foregrips for the PMX. I can't find them anywhere. Does anyone have a lead? Grazie! Here you go! CSM Retro VFG (Beretta M12 Style) https://customsmithmfg.com/shop/ols/products/csm-retro-vfg-beretta-m12-style |
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Posted: 7/31/2024 6:05:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frens: Glocks have been doing that before internet. Any gun can kaboom. Still own my Glock. Shitty ammo or reloads is my guess. That last pic’s ammo looks for sure like an overcharge rather than an OOB. The extent of damage in these pics are also more consistent with overcharge than OOB. |
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Posted: 8/7/2024 3:10:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: JohnCarter17]
[#29]
So here she is after the Form 1
 Attached FileWhat case fits it? I don't want a full rifle and would like something shorter. It's a bit heavier than I expected, more than an AR PCC would be. I don't know if I am sold on the MI foregrip. The stock is MI Alpha |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 8/27/2024 6:17:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronin50cal: Here you go! CSM Retro VFG (Beretta M12 Style) https://customsmithmfg.com/shop/ols/products/csm-retro-vfg-beretta-m12-style AWESOME! Thank you........ |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:05:05 AM EST
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PSA $849!!! PLUS $150 Rebate = $700
Lowest price - Clearance at PSA - Musty not be moving so well. If I wasn't into other Project guns at the current time I'd be all over it. Too many items at good prices all at once. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 9/11/2024 9:38:27 PM EST
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I saw that and was curious about how it performs. Not much first hand I fo out there on them.
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Posted: 9/18/2024 7:17:23 AM EST
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Smooth shooter, accurate, but heavier than I expected.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 9/19/2024 1:57:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cherenkov: PSA $849!!! PLUS $150 Rebate = $700 Lowest price - Clearance at PSA - Musty not be moving so well. Still available, the gun market is really dead right now. I'll be picking mine up tomorrow, for the price I couldn't say no. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/3/2024 11:33:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: Where are you guys that have SBR’d the PMXS putting the engraving? Got my F1 approved, but haven’t decided on a good location on the receiver to engrave it. I guess no one’s SBR’d one, even though pictures seem to indicate otherwise. I’m at the point of just keeping it a pistol and throw on a brace. Don’t have to worry about engraving or 922r. The metal tube is a the receiver and the polymer cover is a separate part according to the exploded view. The only option I can think of is to cut away the polymer under the bolt handle track on the left side, similar to what they did on the right side to expose the serial number. Even getting past that, I know of no 922r parts for the gun. |
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Posted: 10/13/2024 2:46:46 PM EST
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For those that have bought these and also have other PCC's, how do you like them? Any features the PMX has that it does better than the other PCC's?
I have MP5 and MP5K clones, Stribog A3, ghm9, ghm45, APC45, and cx4 so most of the other popular ones. No interest in anything with Glock mags, AR style, or scorpion. |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 1:53:22 AM EST
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I’m about ready to make the jump and buy one of these (I’ve been standing by watching the prices drop, and I’m not sure how much lower they can realistically go)
but I’ve seen a few complaints that there are still issues with the B&T style mags from all manufacturers being easy to break compared to other SMG mags. I thought the KCI mags solved this? I also saw a couple of random posts claiming that the Carabinieri have had issues with parts breaking on their proper full auto PMX subguns. Anyone know if there’s truth to this? |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 8:12:56 AM EST
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I am on the fence as well, I had a B&T P26 and sold it. I wasn't a fan of the B&T stock (same as the TP9).
Overall the PMXs should be a well built gun, that is surprisingly heavy for what it is. I haven't heard of reliability issues, however like any gun it could be ammo sensitive. Mags may be weak, but the KCI mags seem like the way to go |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 8:37:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: stimr2]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yamahawarrior89: For those that have bought these and also have other PCC's, how do you like them? Any features the PMX has that it does better than the other PCC's? I have MP5 and MP5K clones, Stribog A3, ghm9, ghm45, APC45, and cx4 so most of the other popular ones. No interest in anything with Glock mags, AR style, or scorpion. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yamahawarrior89: For those that have bought these and also have other PCC's, how do you like them? Any features the PMX has that it does better than the other PCC's? I have MP5 and MP5K clones, Stribog A3, ghm9, ghm45, APC45, and cx4 so most of the other popular ones. No interest in anything with Glock mags, AR style, or scorpion. Originally Posted By Brooklynite: I'm about ready to make the jump and buy one of these (I've been standing by watching the prices drop, and I'm not sure how much lower they can realistically go) but I've seen a few complaints that there are still issues with the B&T style mags from all manufacturers being easy to break compared to other SMG mags. I thought the KCI mags solved this? I also saw a couple of random posts claiming that the Carabinieri have had issues with parts breaking on their proper full auto PMX subguns. Anyone know if there's truth to this? |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 8:59:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: Brooklynite]
[#41]
Good to hear about the KCI mags.
I did own a P26 and liked everything about it except the B&T magazines. I bought the P26 because I always wanted a tec-9 growing up, but understood they’re actually garbage quality. I was planning on replacing it with the beretta copy when street price bottomed out, but just want to be sure there isn’t a flaw in the design. The talk about Italian police having issues is probably just internet BS… I hope. ETA: how long does the beretta rebate take? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/24/2024 7:09:29 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brooklynite: Good to hear about the KCI mags. I did own a P26 and liked everything about it except the B&T magazines. I bought the P26 because I always wanted a tec-9 growing up, but understood they’re actually garbage quality. I was planning on replacing it with the beretta copy when street price bottomed out, but just want to be sure there isn’t a flaw in the design. The talk about Italian police having issues is probably just internet BS… I hope. ETA: how long does the beretta rebate take? Seemed to me that I got my rebate back in about 8 weeks-ish. Regarding a previous post of how this things tends to shoot, I've only been out with it twice and it doesn't do anything really remarkable compared to anything else in its class. But it shot great. Accurate, rapid shots seemed to be natural and fast, thanks in large part to having a pretty impressive trigger as far as factory triggers go. Obviously, if one were not to SPR or add a brace, it kinda defeats the purpose but that's any PCC. Overall, glad I pulled the trigger on this one. |
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