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Posted: 1/4/2011 6:33:44 PM EDT
| Im looking to get a MP5 clone. What are the most reliable ones out there? |
This is going to be my SBR MP5 Clone. It is a MKE 94k made on HK tooling. They are hard to find right now and no new ones are being imported at this time. The Cohaire clones are your next option. They are pretty easy to get. The final and most expensive is a custom build. Whatever route you go, make sure that you follow NFA rules and regulations.
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Im looking to get a MP5 clone. What are the most reliable ones out there? This forum has been here for years. Almost every month some new guy comes along and asks some version of this very same question, thinking its original and all the members will want to post their info all over again. They don't. Read a few pages of this forum. But if you're gonna ask then you need to tell us much more about how you're gonna use it. Semi only or any hopes to go fa in the future? Ever want to suppress it? Cost? |
| Well I would like one for personal use and it has to be semi auto since I live in a state that doesn't allow FA. Cost well less than $2,000. Atlantic Firearms has a bunch and thats why I'm asking to see which is best. I heard the MKE are very good, but they are imported as a sporting rifle and can only except the 10 round mags. This can be changed from what I understand with the adding of the required 922r parts which I dont want to do. And yes I have looked up previous posts from many different forums, just like different opinions. |
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Well I would like one for personal use and it has to be semi auto since I live in a state that doesn't allow FA. Cost well less than $2,000. Atlantic Firearms has a bunch and thats why I'm asking to see which is best. I heard the MKE are very good, but they are imported as a sporting rifle and can only except the 10 round mags. This can be changed from what I understand with the adding of the required 922r parts which I dont want to do. And yes I have looked up previous posts from many different forums, just like different opinions. Like Retro said, do a little more reading. Only the MKE rifles come with 10rd mags. The pistols come with and accept all 30rd mags. My MKE is going to cost $2100 with all mods. That includes a replacement threaded barrel, refinish, all compliance parts, and Form 1 tax. You will have the best made clone out there other than the real thing or custom build. The Cohaires are hit and miss. Some run great, and some don't, but anything mechanical can have issues. If you can find the MKE pistol with the 16" barrel, you can add the compilance parts and stock for around $200, but now you have a rifle and it must remain a rifle. This guy did his for $1600 total. Go to page 2. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=491111&highlight=mke+hk+clone&page=2 |
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Well I would like one for personal use and it has to be semi auto since I live in a state that doesn't allow FA. Cost well less than $2,000. Atlantic Firearms has a bunch and thats why I'm asking to see which is best. I heard the MKE are very good, but they are imported as a sporting rifle and can only except the 10 round mags. This can be changed from what I understand with the adding of the required 922r parts which I dont want to do. And yes I have looked up previous posts from many different forums, just like different opinions. Well, see, the problem is complicated. People won't read and they won't listen. Then people like me get tired of helping them. I clearly asked you in that earlier post if you had any interest in a suppressor in the future. That will impact which type might be most practical for you. Or maybe your state won't allow that either. Ok, that's the limit of ragging on you that I can do for your current infractions. So now we're back to helping you with useful information... Read these threads, if you haven't already: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=9&t=332525 http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=9&t=331259 http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=9&t=329132 http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=9&t=328151 http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=9&t=324558 A few points to make, based on my knowledge and personal opinions... The MKE guns are darn good but have sear blocks. It might not impact your use, but could impact resale value in the future. Changing some parts to US made ones is no big deal. I wouldn't let that keep me from doing it. The V5 or VR9 (or whatever they are called) guns from Atlantic Firearms are not delayed roller locking action guns. They are standard blowback. So they are posers. They are based on a gun that used to be made by Vulcan on a Hesse receiver and it was very unreliable, and not very respected. This new one is made by a company that bought the rights to the design or manufacturing. They use a good receiver flat (LSC) but it's still a simple blowback design. I will not feel like the real MP5 design when you shoot it. But it will look cool... if it doesn't jam. A gun built by a reputable builder from a demilled MP5 on a US receiver will cost $2,500. More than you want to spend but it would be a really good gun. A Coharie clone with a few upgraded parts will be well under your limit, but you will have a lot of people foaming at the mouth when they find out you have a Todd Bailey gun. It will still work great and that will piss them off even more. Whatever you get, get a three lug barrel on the end. Even if you can't have a suppressor, it's still a great feature and makes the gun look real instead of like an HK94 cut-down in Predator or Air Force One. |
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OP, do yourself a favor. Get a HK94 or a demilled MP5. Its more money but it proves to be the best option in the long run(as far as FA,SBR, supressor, resellability, quailty and did I mention quaily? is concerned) If you are looking for a cheap option just to say you have an MP5 *cough* clone *cough*. Seems like a waste of money. |
| Thnaks for all this input. In my state there is no suppressor, SBR and FA. So all those options does nothing for me. Just want a simple MP5 clone that is in 9mm, meaning no GSG. It will only be used for fun at the range. Just want something that wont need many modification or will cause me lots of problems. I realy dont want to convert a pistol into a rifle, but it is very good option to get the MKE pistol and convert. From what I understand (which is not much as far as the MP5 goes) is I will need at least 6 922r parts, so besides HKparts.net where else can compliant parts be found? Im still leaning away from the converting with the 922r parts, but keeping all my options open. |
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Thnaks for all this input. In my state there is no suppressor, SBR and FA. So all those options does nothing for me. Just want a simple MP5 clone that is in 9mm, meaning no GSG. It will only be used for fun at the range. Just want something that wont need many modification or will cause me lots of problems. I realy dont want to convert a pistol into a rifle, but it is very good option to get the MKE pistol and convert. From what I understand (which is not much as far as the MP5 goes) is I will need at least 6 922r parts, so besides HKparts.net where else can compliant parts be found? Im still leaning away from the converting with the 922r parts, but keeping all my options open. Your options are the Cohaire, SW5, Custom build or move to a NFA friendly state. |
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Thnaks for all this input. In my state there is no suppressor, SBR and FA. So all those options does nothing for me. Just want a simple MP5 clone that is in 9mm, meaning no GSG. It will only be used for fun at the range. Just want something that wont need many modification or will cause me lots of problems. I realy dont want to convert a pistol into a rifle, but it is very good option to get the MKE pistol and convert. From what I understand (which is not much as far as the MP5 goes) is I will need at least 6 922r parts, so besides HKparts.net where else can compliant parts be found? Im still leaning away from the converting with the 922r parts, but keeping all my options open. HKParts.net is now the supplier of Rim Country Manufacturing parts. They seem to be pretty good parts and work well. They make bolt carriers and bolt heads, as well as a few other useful items for a 922R compliance conversion. And their prices are quite a bit cheaper than genuine HK brand stuff, as a reference. I think about $400 will give you a whole new bolt group. If you are the type of guy who gets a gun and keeps it for life (like me) and you never plan on leaving your current state, I'd consider the MKE gun pretty seriously. Build quality and functionality have both been repeatedly reported as very good. |
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I would love to move to a different state, but I'm stuck here because of family. The MKE is looking more and more better now, but I was under the understanding that if something was purchased as a pistol it could not be turned into a carbine/rifle. Does anyone know where I could look up this ruling? Or my second option would be to get the MKE that is a carbine and just live with the 10 round mags. I think it is safe to say that the MKE would be one of the best choices when it comes to clones. I have a lot to consider before I make any step towards a purchase. All this info does really helps.
I did a little research and I could find all but one of the 6 compliant parts that would be needed being a fixed stock. I can get the trigger, sear, hammer, and pistol grip housing from HKparts. I found a us made handguard from RTG. But no luck on stocks. If I could line up all the needed 922r parts and see in writing where its ok to convert pistol into rifle then I will be ok with going ahead with purchase. Just need all my ducks in a row before making the step. |
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I would love to move to a different state, but I'm stuck here because of family. The MKE is looking more and more better now, but I was under the understanding that if something was purchased as a pistol it could not be turned into a carbine/rifle. Does anyone know where I could look up this ruling? Or my second option would be to get the MKE that is a carbine and just live with the 10 round mags. I think it is safe to say that the MKE would be one of the best choices when it comes to clones. I have a lot to consider before I make any step towards a purchase. All this info does really helps. I did a little research and I could find all but one of the 6 compliant parts that would be needed being a fixed stock. I can get the trigger, sear, hammer, and pistol grip housing from HKparts. I found a us made handguard from RTG. But no luck on stocks. If I could line up all the needed 922r parts and see in writing where its ok to convert pistol into rifle then I will be ok with going ahead with purchase. Just need all my ducks in a row before making the step. MKE makes a pistol with a 16" barrel. That is the one you want. I provided you a link to a guy who converted his. It is legal as the barrel stays the 16" length. Remember, once a rifle, always a rifle. Here is a link for a US made stock and other US made parts. A US made cocking handle can also be used if you want to keep the MKE lower. http://black-market-parts.3dcartstores.com/MP5-Stocks-Retractable-Stocks_c_26.html |
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There are folding stocks, and other coharie/US made stocks on gunbroker.com
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=210046986 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=209934002 |
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Or you could get the MKE 16" pistol, put a US hand guard / buttstock and the following from apex (and changing ejector to 9mm): https://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/42/products_id/1663 5 of your 6 US parts in one (no-gun smithing required). Changing the ejector to 9mm is dead simple. RTG for the 9mm POF ejector: http://www.robertrtg.com/pofmp5ejector.html Perhaps retrodog can correct me, but that is pretty simple and inexpensive. YMMV. Lumbergh |
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Or you could get the MKE 16" pistol, put a US hand guard / buttstock and the following from apex (and changing ejector to 9mm): https://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/42/products_id/1663 5 of your 6 US parts in one (no-gun smithing required). Changing the ejector to 9mm is dead simple. RTG for the 9mm POF ejector: http://www.robertrtg.com/pofmp5ejector.html Perhaps retrodog can correct me, but that is pretty simple and inexpensive. YMMV. Lumbergh Well if I got the complete lower assemly from Apex which counts for five parts, then I would only need one more to be at six. Or is the MP 5 seven US parts needed? Can someone advise? If it is six then the lower, a butstock and handgurads would put me at seven parts if I got both handgurads and buttstock US made. |
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I have been really happy with my Bobcat Weapons clone. The only thing that needed to be replaced to make it run reliably was the extractor spring.
If you can find one of those at a reasonable price, I would consider it. It is roller locked and takes all of the US and German parts. |
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I have been really happy with my Bobcat Weapons clone. The only thing that needed to be replaced to make it run reliably was the extractor spring. If you can find one of those at a reasonable price, I would consider it. It is roller locked and takes all of the US and German parts. Yeah, it's a special weapons gun. |
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I have been really happy with my Bobcat Weapons clone. The only thing that needed to be replaced to make it run reliably was the extractor spring. If you can find one of those at a reasonable price, I would consider it. It is roller locked and takes all of the US and German parts. What would be a reasonable price for one? A gun store around me had a used one for long time, not sure if they still have it. |
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I have been really happy with my Bobcat Weapons clone. The only thing that needed to be replaced to make it run reliably was the extractor spring. If you can find one of those at a reasonable price, I would consider it. It is roller locked and takes all of the US and German parts. What would be a reasonable price for one? A gun store around me had a used one for long time, not sure if they still have it. clones are roughly 1100 - 1300+ used. There are still a few new ones for 1400.00 in the Sturm board. Prices on gunbroker tend to vary a little.. There have been a few full sized rifles, with the thin barrel and without the paddle release for a little less.. |
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I have been really happy with my Bobcat Weapons clone. The only thing that needed to be replaced to make it run reliably was the extractor spring. If you can find one of those at a reasonable price, I would consider it. It is roller locked and takes all of the US and German parts. What would be a reasonable price for one? A gun store around me had a used one for long time, not sure if they still have it. clones are roughly 1100 - 1300+ used. There are still a few new ones for 1400.00 in the Sturm board. Prices on gunbroker tend to vary a little.. There have been a few full sized rifles, with the thin barrel and without the paddle release for a little less.. depending on what part of the country you are in, the above quote looks good. |
| I'll give my vote to an MKE pistol converted to a rifle. I have the 94K and converted to a PDW set up. I paid 1300 OTD for the 94k, plus the Form1 and the 922 compliance parts. Overall, I have about $1700 or so into the rifle. It has performed flawlessly so far even with those ATI MP5 knock mags. The only ammo it won't cycle well is the cheap sellier and bellot (sp?). If you can only get the carbine version, any good gun smith can ground down the ridges in the magwell which prevent the standard HK mags from fitting. |
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I'll give my vote to an MKE pistol converted to a rifle. I have the 94K and converted to a PDW set up. I paid 1300 OTD for the 94k, plus the Form1 and the 922 compliance parts. Overall, I have about $1700 or so into the rifle. It has performed flawlessly so far even with those ATI MP5 knock mags. The only ammo it won't cycle well is the cheap sellier and bellot (sp?). If you can only get the carbine version, any good gun smith can ground down the ridges in the magwell which prevent the standard HK mags from fitting. Pics bro or it didn't happen.... 
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| New builder on the block is Dakota Tactical, selling his guns on HKParts.net, about $2400 and up. Also Vector Arms makes them. Again, about $2400 or so from Atlantic Firearms. Dakota Tactical is assembling one for me using an MP5 German parts kit into a pistol for use with my registered sear. He can use US parts for a more US parts count friendly gun. |
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