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Posted: 4/27/2010 7:54:55 PM EDT
AR-15 lowers stripped, under "type" what do you put? Just plain old receiver? I know it's probably been covered before, I couldn't find it
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I've been putting a few different things: (correct me if I am wrong here) CavArms Receivers = Rifle Receivers (cannot be built into pistols, since they have stocks attached) Tactical Solutions Pac-lites = Pistol Receivers (since they are Ruger MK Series Pistol Receivers and not Rifles) Standard Ar15 Lower = "receiver" (can be built into either rifle or pistol) |
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I've been putting a few different things: (correct me if I am wrong here) CavArms Receivers = Rifle Receivers (cannot be built into pistols, since they have stocks attached) Tactical Solutions Pac-lites = Pistol Receivers (since they are Ruger MK Series Pistol Receivers and not Rifles) Standard Ar15 Lower = "receiver" (can be built into either rifle or pistol) Receiver is sufficient, but your system helps you keep track of what "type" of receiver you have on hand (or sold). I like it
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I've been putting a few different things: (correct me if I am wrong here) CavArms Receivers = Rifle Receivers (cannot be built into pistols, since they have stocks attached) Tactical Solutions Pac-lites = Pistol Receivers (since they are Ruger MK Series Pistol Receivers and not Rifles) Standard Ar15 Lower = "receiver" (can be built into either rifle or pistol) Wrong. Wrong. Correct. Until it is an actual rifle or handgun it is still a receiver. Even if can only be built into a handgun or long gun. It has nothing to do with what it can be built into, only what it is. Otherwise the 4473 would probably have spaces for pistol and rifle receiver, and not state specifically that they are still receivers. |
Thanks for the info, dumb question but figure I would ask. If we buy an estate sale with 130 + guns (fingers crossed) do we have to log in the name and address every time or can we draw a line straight down after the first one? The 9 receivers in a row was bad enough.
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You can draw lines from everything we've seen and been told by our lawyer. Just have the first and last entry on each page written in. Save the writer's cramp! Well crud! Wish I'd known that before getting 50+ delivered from one vendor earlier this year. |
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I've been putting a few different things: (correct me if I am wrong here) CavArms Receivers = Rifle Receivers (cannot be built into pistols, since they have stocks attached) Tactical Solutions Pac-lites = Pistol Receivers (since they are Ruger MK Series Pistol Receivers and not Rifles) Standard Ar15 Lower = "receiver" (can be built into either rifle or pistol) Wrong. Wrong. Correct. Until it is an actual rifle or handgun it is still a receiver. Even if can only be built into a handgun or long gun. It has nothing to do with what it can be built into, only what it is. Otherwise the 4473 would probably have spaces for pistol and rifle receiver, and not state specifically that they are still receivers. I wouldnt say its wrong, its just extra information that is not required. agree? |
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I've been putting a few different things: (correct me if I am wrong here) CavArms Receivers = Rifle Receivers (cannot be built into pistols, since they have stocks attached) Tactical Solutions Pac-lites = Pistol Receivers (since they are Ruger MK Series Pistol Receivers and not Rifles) Standard Ar15 Lower = "receiver" (can be built into either rifle or pistol) Wrong. Wrong. Correct. Until it is an actual rifle or handgun it is still a receiver. Even if can only be built into a handgun or long gun. It has nothing to do with what it can be built into, only what it is. Otherwise the 4473 would probably have spaces for pistol and rifle receiver, and not state specifically that they are still receivers. I wouldnt say its wrong, its just extra information that is not required. agree? +1 |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've been putting a few different things: (correct me if I am wrong here) CavArms Receivers = Rifle Receivers (cannot be built into pistols, since they have stocks attached) Tactical Solutions Pac-lites = Pistol Receivers (since they are Ruger MK Series Pistol Receivers and not Rifles) Standard Ar15 Lower = "receiver" (can be built into either rifle or pistol) Wrong. Wrong. Correct. Until it is an actual rifle or handgun it is still a receiver. Even if can only be built into a handgun or long gun. It has nothing to do with what it can be built into, only what it is. Otherwise the 4473 would probably have spaces for pistol and rifle receiver, and not state specifically that they are still receivers. I wouldnt say its wrong, its just extra information that is not required. agree? It is wrong. For example, the cavarms receiver can become a shotgun. Here is what the 4473 says they should be xferred out as:  |
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I've been putting a few different things: (correct me if I am wrong here) CavArms Receivers = Rifle Receivers (cannot be built into pistols, since they have stocks attached) Tactical Solutions Pac-lites = Pistol Receivers (since they are Ruger MK Series Pistol Receivers and not Rifles) Standard Ar15 Lower = "receiver" (can be built into either rifle or pistol) Wrong. Wrong. Correct. Until it is an actual rifle or handgun it is still a receiver. Even if can only be built into a handgun or long gun. It has nothing to do with what it can be built into, only what it is. Otherwise the 4473 would probably have spaces for pistol and rifle receiver, and not state specifically that they are still receivers. I wouldnt say its wrong, its just extra information that is not required. agree? It is wrong. For example, the cavarms receiver can become a shotgun. Here is what the 4473 says they should be xferred out as: http://www.texassmallarmsresearch.com/BATFEStuff/Instruction18.jpg that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. the issue being discussed is what is marked in your bound book. you are required to have certain info in your bound book, you may have additional info if you wish. a reciever must be treated as a reciever no matter if he has it marked as shotgun reciever, rifle reciever, pistol reciever etc etc. |
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I've been putting a few different things: (correct me if I am wrong here) CavArms Receivers = Rifle Receivers (cannot be built into pistols, since they have stocks attached) Tactical Solutions Pac-lites = Pistol Receivers (since they are Ruger MK Series Pistol Receivers and not Rifles) Standard Ar15 Lower = "receiver" (can be built into either rifle or pistol) Wrong. Wrong. Correct. Until it is an actual rifle or handgun it is still a receiver. Even if can only be built into a handgun or long gun. It has nothing to do with what it can be built into, only what it is. Otherwise the 4473 would probably have spaces for pistol and rifle receiver, and not state specifically that they are still receivers. I wouldnt say its wrong, its just extra information that is not required. agree? It is wrong. For example, the cavarms receiver can become a shotgun. Here is what the 4473 says they should be xferred out as: http://www.texassmallarmsresearch.com/BATFEStuff/Instruction18.jpg the question was about the bound book not the 4473 |
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Originally Posted By aggiez28: Originally Posted By RenegadeX: It is wrong. For example, the cavarms receiver can become a shotgun. Here is what the 4473 says they should be xferred out as: http://www.texassmallarmsresearch.com/BATFEStuff/Instruction18.jpg that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. the issue being discussed is what is marked in your bound book. you are required to have certain info in your bound book, you may have additional info if you wish. a reciever must be treated as a reciever no matter if he has it marked as shotgun reciever, rifle reciever, pistol reciever etc etc. Quoted: the question was about the bound book not the 4473 Doesn't matter, the law is the same for both. I only used the 4473 as an example since it explained it so succinctly. The type is "receiver" not "rifle receiver", as it is not a rifle receiver, and may never be one. And in the OPs case, it could be a rifle, shotgun or handgun. So the OP needs to put "receiver". |
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Unicorn, we just got two uppers and two lowers from you guys... We have deals if you want 50 or more for your own shop! Ok, I'll stop the shameless sales plug now. As to the issue at hand, I'm not sure if there really is a restriction or not as to what you can put, but since it's still just a receiver we've been erring on the side of caution and just putting receiver regardless of the type. |
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if it gets marked "pistol" and is a receiver, would that dick it up for people between 18 and 21 to purchase later if it was a shotgun or rifle, cause it has already been sold as a pistol and would have to go though the hoops some states have on handguns? hmmmmmmm.
NO theories on this please. If you know, let us know. If you "think".......I don't really care. lol |
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if it gets marked "pistol" and is a receiver, would that dick it up for people between 18 and 21 to purchase later if it was a shotgun or rifle, cause it has already been sold as a pistol and would have to go though the hoops some states have on handguns? hmmmmmmm. NO theories on this please. If you know, let us know. If you "think".......I don't really care. lol Receivers are only sold as receivers not pistol receivers or rifle receivers as they are not a fully build firearm. Receivers may only be sold to persons 21 years of age or older. State laws may vary, but in Missouri when we had a requirement for a pistol permit you did not need to have one to purchase a firearm receiver. |
| Interesting idea: where do you draw the line as to "stripped receiver"? I notice is says that you don't need the multiple purchase form on receivers. Hmm. If I'm buying a beretta M9 and 2 1911s, can I pop the slides off and tell the dealer to sell them as "receivers"? After all, companies do sell ar lowers with LPKs and stocks...... |
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Interesting idea: where do you draw the line as to "stripped receiver"? I notice is says that you don't need the multiple purchase form on receivers. Hmm. If I'm buying a beretta M9 and 2 1911s, can I pop the slides off and tell the dealer to sell them as "receivers"? After all, companies do sell ar lowers with LPKs and stocks...... if it does not meet the definition of somthgin else it would probably fall into the definition of a reciever |
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Interesting idea: where do you draw the line as to "stripped receiver"? I notice is says that you don't need the multiple purchase form on receivers. Hmm. If I'm buying a beretta M9 and 2 1911s, can I pop the slides off and tell the dealer to sell them as "receivers"? After all, companies do sell ar lowers with LPKs and stocks...... if it does not meet the definition of somthgin else it would probably fall into the definition of a reciever |
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If I'm buying a beretta M9 and 2 1911s, can I pop the slides off and tell the dealer to sell them as "receivers"? After all, companies do sell ar lowers with LPKs and stocks...... If it comes in as a handgun it goes out as a handgun. If you tell me to do anything else I'm telling you to leave the premises. |
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If I'm buying a beretta M9 and 2 1911s, can I pop the slides off and tell the dealer to sell them as "receivers"? After all, companies do sell ar lowers with LPKs and stocks...... If it comes in as a handgun it goes out as a handgun. If you tell me to do anything else I'm telling you to leave the premises. that is an interesting idea. I have not looked into the legal issues invloved in buying handguns and rifles and then parting them out. |
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Interesting idea: where do you draw the line as to "stripped receiver"? I notice is says that you don't need the multiple purchase form on receivers. Hmm. If I'm buying a beretta M9 and 2 1911s, can I pop the slides off and tell the dealer to sell them as "receivers"? After all, companies do sell ar lowers with LPKs and stocks...... Not if you buy the slides at the same time... A firearm in disassembled form is still the firearm. Sell a lower and a complete rifle parts kit - you've sold a complete rifle. Sell a receiver and a complete pistol parts kit - you've sold a complete pistol. The receiver category only applies to incomplete firearms. |
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Interesting idea: where do you draw the line as to "stripped receiver"? I notice is says that you don't need the multiple purchase form on receivers. Hmm. If I'm buying a beretta M9 and 2 1911s, can I pop the slides off and tell the dealer to sell them as "receivers"? After all, companies do sell ar lowers with LPKs and stocks...... No. Once they've been assembled, they are whatever they are. In your question they would be handguns. You can't go backwards. It's kind of like how you can only build a pistol from a receiver that's never been assembled as a rifle before. |
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Interesting idea: where do you draw the line as to "stripped receiver"? I notice is says that you don't need the multiple purchase form on receivers. Hmm. If I'm buying a beretta M9 and 2 1911s, can I pop the slides off and tell the dealer to sell them as "receivers"? After all, companies do sell ar lowers with LPKs and stocks...... No. Once they've been assembled, they are whatever they are. In your question they would be handguns. You can't go backwards. It's kind of like how you can only build a pistol from a receiver that's never been assembled as a rifle before. no, they can change around. its done all the time. you are not suposed to go to a pistol from a rifle but I am sure that is also done quite a bit without anyone knowing. |
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Simple questions: "Once a receiver, always a receiver" TRUE or FALSE ? Can a receiver be converted back to a receiver once built into a complete firearm? Can a rifle ever be built into a pistol? Scenario: Person #1 buys an AR receiver from dealer in State A who wrote "receiver" in bound book and checks "other firearm" on 4473. Person #1 builds a rifle. He finds that he needs money and decides to sell to Person #2 from State B. Rifle is transferred to dealer in State B who writes "rifle" in bound book and checks "long gun" on 4473. Person #2 is not happy with quality of receiver and strips it down to sell receiver to Person #3 in State C. Receiver is transferred to dealer in State C who writes "receiver" in bound book and checks "other firearm" on 4473. Person #3 builds a pistol who decides it was a stupid idea and sells it to Person #4 from State D. Pistol is transferred to dealer in State D who writes "pistol" in bound book and checks "handgun" on 4473. Keep in mind that neither the dealer nor the purchaser ever knew that the firearm was in a different configuration than what was represented. Also, some states, i.e. New Jersey, treat pistol and rifle sales differently with different forms required for each. |
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Simple questions: "Once a receiver, always a receiver" TRUE or FALSE ? Can a receiver be converted back to a receiver once built into a complete firearm? Can a rifle ever be built into a pistol? Scenario: Person #1 buys an AR receiver from dealer in State A who wrote "receiver" in bound book and checks "other firearm" on 4473. Person #1 builds a rifle. He finds that he needs money and decides to sell to Person #2 from State B. Rifle is transferred to dealer in State B who writes "rifle" in bound book and checks "long gun" on 4473. Person #2 is not happy with quality of receiver and strips it down to sell receiver to Person #3 in State C. Receiver is transferred to dealer in State C who writes "receiver" in bound book and checks "other firearm" on 4473. Person #3 builds a pistol who decides it was a stupid idea and sells it to Person #4 from State D. Pistol is transferred to dealer in State D who writes "pistol" in bound book and checks "handgun" on 4473. Keep in mind that neither the dealer nor the purchaser ever knew that the firearm was in a different configuration than what was represented. Also, some states, i.e. New Jersey, treat pistol and rifle sales differently with different forms required for each. And now you see some of the problem with the ATF and it's nonsensical rules and regulations. |
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