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Posted: 6/7/2013 8:10:56 PM EDT
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I seem to have recall seeing once on the net a few years ago that once you get the approved Form 1 to make a suppressor back, that you can have another third party (that is not an SOT) that has the CNC and other machining capabilities actually build the suppressor, as long as you are always physically present and have the Form 1 with you.
For example, I shoot shotgun sports for a local business that makes custom chokes (has an FFL). He has years of CNC experience and could easily build a very nice suppressor. If I were to send off the Form 1 and get it approved, could I then go to him with that Form 1 and he actually build it? Would I have to be the one to procure the materials, or could he use materials he already has? If it takes longer than one day, can I brink the unfinished suppressor back home and take it back the next day? The entire reason I would go through this pain is that I am 19, and can't buy directly from a dealer. I have some SBR's already done on Form 1's that would be nice to have suppressors to go with. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Nope, if F1 is registered to you, he would be manufacturing a suppressor and would need appropriate FFL. Now, if he were instructing you while you did the work your golden. I understand. Thanks. I am also 19 and in the same boat. I have been fortunate to find some nice used cans locally. I will keep you in mind if I come across anything as I am always on the look out for cans here in GA being sold by private individuals. |
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Nope, if F1 is registered to you, he would be manufacturing a suppressor and would need appropriate FFL. Now, if he were instructing you while you did the work your golden. I understand. Thanks. I am also 19 and in the same boat. I have been fortunate to find some nice used cans locally. I will keep you in mind if I come across anything as I am always on the look out for cans here in GA being sold by private individuals. Thanks man, I'd appreciate that. |
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I seem to have recall seeing once on the net a few years ago that once you get the approved Form 1 to make a suppressor back, that you can have another third party (that is not an SOT) that has the CNC and other machining capabilities actually build the suppressor, as long as you are always physically present and have the Form 1 with you. Correct For example, I shoot shotgun sports for a local business that makes custom chokes (has an FFL). He has years of CNC experience and could easily build a very nice suppressor. If I were to send off the Form 1 and get it approved, could I then go to him with that Form 1 and he actually build it? Would I have to be the one to procure the materials, or could he use materials he already has? If it takes longer than one day, can I brink the unfinished suppressor back home and take it back the next day? The entire reason I would go through this pain is that I am 19, and can't buy directly from a dealer. I have some SBR's already done on Form 1's that would be nice to have suppressors to go with. As long as you are physically present and "in control' of the parts at all times what you propose is legal. Don't go to lunch and leave the parts at the shop, take all parts home with you at end of day etc. Spend some time reading here and you will have a good shot at making a decent can. |
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Nope, if F1 is registered to you, he would be manufacturing a suppressor and would need appropriate FFL. Now, if he were instructing you while you did the work your golden. I understand. Thanks. I am also 19 and in the same boat. I have been fortunate to find some nice used cans locally. I will keep you in mind if I come across anything as I am always on the look out for cans here in GA being sold by private individuals. I live near Kennesaw. Keep you in mind. I have a bunch of suppressors. If I ever decide to liquidate it, I'll give you a PM! |
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I've got conflicting answers here....  From the BATF publication NFA handbook If the applicant on the Form 1 lacks the skill, ability, and/or equipment to manufacture the NFA firearm, the applicant, after receipt of the approved Form1, can have the firearm created or modified at a premises other than shown on the approved Form 1 as long as the creation or modification was done under the direct oversight of the applicant, thus having the applicant retain custody and control of the firearm. If the location is outside the applicant’s State and the firearm being made is a short barreled rifle, short barreled shotgun, destructive device, or an unserviceable machinegun which is being reactivated, the applicant will also need to request permission to transport the firearm interstate as required by 27 CFR 478.28. Be advised that having a machine shop do your work will not be cheap, expect to pay shop hourly rates. Also as you see by the misinformation even on a silencer forum many people do not know the laws on this so don't expect your local machine shop to believe you when you show up with an approved form 1 in one hand and a set of silencer plans in the other. |
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I've got conflicting answers here.... From the BATF publication NFA handbook If the applicant on the Form 1 lacks the skill, ability, and/or equipment to manufacture the NFA firearm, the applicant, after receipt of the approved Form1, can have the firearm created or modified at a premises other than shown on the approved Form 1 as long as the creation or modification was done under the direct oversight of the applicant, thus having the applicant retain custody and control of the firearm. If the location is outside the applicant’s State and the firearm being made is a short barreled rifle, short barreled shotgun, destructive device, or an unserviceable machinegun which is being reactivated, the applicant will also need to request permission to transport the firearm interstate as required by 27 CFR 478.28. Be advised that having a machine shop do your work will not be cheap, expect to pay shop hourly rates. Also as you see by the misinformation even on a silencer forum many people do not know the laws on this so don't expect your local machine shop to believe you when you show up with an approved form 1 in one hand and a set of silencer plans in the other. You know I had missed that paragraph several years back when I built mine. Has it always been listed? My buddy a machinist by trade, showed me how to use his tooling. Either way I learned a little about using a metal lathe, when I built mine. Unfortunately for me it has been too many years since I did that so if i ever get a lathe I will have a lot of learning still to do. Of course that confuses me even more when dealing with any repairs made to my Form 1 can. If i have read the BATFE website correctly, I cannot replace a damaged baffle, I have to send it to a liscenced SOT to have a damaged baffle replaced. I am confused by BATFE stuff sometimes. |
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I've got conflicting answers here.... From the BATF publication NFA handbook If the applicant on the Form 1 lacks the skill, ability, and/or equipment to manufacture the NFA firearm, the applicant, after receipt of the approved Form1, can have the firearm created or modified at a premises other than shown on the approved Form 1 as long as the creation or modification was done under the direct oversight of the applicant, thus having the applicant retain custody and control of the firearm. If the location is outside the applicant’s State and the firearm being made is a short barreled rifle, short barreled shotgun, destructive device, or an unserviceable machinegun which is being reactivated, the applicant will also need to request permission to transport the firearm interstate as required by 27 CFR 478.28. Be advised that having a machine shop do your work will not be cheap, expect to pay shop hourly rates. Also as you see by the misinformation even on a silencer forum many people do not know the laws on this so don't expect your local machine shop to believe you when you show up with an approved form 1 in one hand and a set of silencer plans in the other. You know I had missed that paragraph several years back when I built mine. Has it always been listed? My buddy a machinist by trade, showed me how to use his tooling. Either way I learned a little about using a metal lathe, when I built mine. Unfortunately for me it has been too many years since I did that so if i ever get a lathe I will have a lot of learning still to do. Of course that confuses me even more when dealing with any repairs made to my Form 1 can. If i have read the BATFE website correctly, I cannot replace a damaged baffle, I have to send it to a liscenced SOT to have a damaged baffle replaced. I am confused by BATFE stuff sometimes. Correct Welcome to the club |
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I've got conflicting answers here.... From the BATF publication NFA handbook If the applicant on the Form 1 lacks the skill, ability, and/or equipment to manufacture the NFA firearm, the applicant, after receipt of the approved Form1, can have the firearm created or modified at a premises other than shown on the approved Form 1 as long as the creation or modification was done under the direct oversight of the applicant, thus having the applicant retain custody and control of the firearm. If the location is outside the applicant’s State and the firearm being made is a short barreled rifle, short barreled shotgun, destructive device, or an unserviceable machinegun which is being reactivated, the applicant will also need to request permission to transport the firearm interstate as required by 27 CFR 478.28. Be advised that having a machine shop do your work will not be cheap, expect to pay shop hourly rates. Also as you see by the misinformation even on a silencer forum many people do not know the laws on this so don't expect your local machine shop to believe you when you show up with an approved form 1 in one hand and a set of silencer plans in the other. You know I had missed that paragraph several years back when I built mine. Has it always been listed? My buddy a machinist by trade, showed me how to use his tooling. Either way I learned a little about using a metal lathe, when I built mine. Unfortunately for me it has been too many years since I did that so if i ever get a lathe I will have a lot of learning still to do. Of course that confuses me even more when dealing with any repairs made to my Form 1 can. If i have read the BATFE website correctly, I cannot replace a damaged baffle, I have to send it to a liscenced SOT to have a damaged baffle replaced. I am confused by BATFE stuff sometimes. Correct Welcome to the club And when you think about it that really doesn't even pass the common sense test. I can build and repair pretty much anything I can physically build, firearm related and non firearm related, Yet the one thing I cannot repair is a form 1 suppressor that I build. 
I wonder sometimes is the BATFE purposely obtuse in order to be able to charge people with bogus crimes, or are they just so incompetent that they just make things up as they go? |
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I've got conflicting answers here.... From the BATF publication NFA handbook If the applicant on the Form 1 lacks the skill, ability, and/or equipment to manufacture the NFA firearm, the applicant, after receipt of the approved Form1, can have the firearm created or modified at a premises other than shown on the approved Form 1 as long as the creation or modification was done under the direct oversight of the applicant, thus having the applicant retain custody and control of the firearm. If the location is outside the applicant’s State and the firearm being made is a short barreled rifle, short barreled shotgun, destructive device, or an unserviceable machinegun which is being reactivated, the applicant will also need to request permission to transport the firearm interstate as required by 27 CFR 478.28. Be advised that having a machine shop do your work will not be cheap, expect to pay shop hourly rates. Also as you see by the misinformation even on a silencer forum many people do not know the laws on this so don't expect your local machine shop to believe you when you show up with an approved form 1 in one hand and a set of silencer plans in the other. Thanks for that link!! I stand corrected sir. |
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