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Posted: 12/24/2022 2:11:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: Dolor]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zeebz: So as far as issues with them that is strictly the 7.62x39 guns. The 5.56 guns are supremely reliable. CZ just did a drop of some parts for the Bren 2, but this is the first time I think we've seen a parts drop since they've been out. CZ really got hit hard by COVID it seems. And lets remember this gun came out in 2019 and then COVID hit. I know people are mad at the lack of parts, but at least stuff seems to be moving a bit now. They are being used in Ukraine right now and are getting a lot of hype because of their prowess over there. As for the discontinued thing... some "ex CZ-USA employee" did an AMA on Reddit a few months back. It was never confirmed whether he worked there or not, but a lot of people took it seriously. He said they're discontinuing a ton of guns and Colt will be taking over all US operations for CZ. Among those guns he said were discontinued were the Bren 2. Now... CZ changes SKU numbers like its going out of style. There is a Bren 2 PDW coming out with a different receiver (not sure if it's going to be a US release yet, though). It's possible CZ is discontinuing current Bren 2 models in preparation to import the new receiver for the Bren 2 pistols so it can support the regular stock as well as the PDW stocks. The PDW receiver is more angled near the top so the PDW stock bars can go in and out, where-as the current Bren 2 MS receiver is squared out in the same spot. Here is a picture showing the difference. Bren 2 MS receiver on top, Bren 2 PDW receiver on bottom. https://cz-usa.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/20e_CZBren2Ms_556_Pistol_L-1.png https://imgur.com/Ik1OMsd.png Maybe I'm being suuuuper picky (probably am) but that PDW looks way better. The MS looks blocky and lazy. Something like a child would design. The PDW has those hard edges and just looks way better. If I'm dropping that sort of coin I want it to be right. . Either way thanks for the insight and the pics. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 2:16:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zeebz: So as far as issues with them that is strictly the 7.62x39 guns. The 5.56 guns are supremely reliable. CZ just did a drop of some parts for the Bren 2, but this is the first time I think we've seen a parts drop since they've been out. CZ really got hit hard by COVID it seems. And lets remember this gun came out in 2019 and then COVID hit. I know people are mad at the lack of parts, but at least stuff seems to be moving a bit now. They are being used in Ukraine right now and are getting a lot of hype because of their prowess over there. As for the discontinued thing... some "ex CZ-USA employee" did an AMA on Reddit a few months back. It was never confirmed whether he worked there or not, but a lot of people took it seriously. He said they're discontinuing a ton of guns and Colt will be taking over all US operations for CZ. Among those guns he said were discontinued were the Bren 2. Now... CZ changes SKU numbers like its going out of style. There is a Bren 2 PDW coming out with a different receiver (not sure if it's going to be a US release yet, though). It's possible CZ is discontinuing current Bren 2 models in preparation to import the new receiver for the Bren 2 pistols so it can support the regular stock as well as the PDW stocks. The PDW receiver is more angled near the top so the PDW stock bars can go in and out, where-as the current Bren 2 MS receiver is squared out in the same spot. Here is a picture showing the difference. Bren 2 MS receiver on top, Bren 2 PDW receiver on bottom. https://cz-usa.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/20e_CZBren2Ms_556_Pistol_L-1.png https://imgur.com/Ik1OMsd.png Cool. Thanks for the info. I guess I'll wait and see what they do. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 12/29/2022 9:59:18 AM EST
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I know, I know. I should wait until the brace ruling from the monarchy before I grab one, but I want to shoot the damn Bren!
Can anyone please give me a lead on a Tailhook adapter for the Bren stock or ACR stock? I know Haga does them, but they are out of stock and have been for a while. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks! 
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Posted: 12/30/2022 10:23:37 PM EST
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Does anybody have the Haga Defense Bren 2 aluminum lower receiver? I’m putting mine together and want to know if it can use a milspec AR-15 bolt catch rollpin and detent spring.
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Posted: 12/30/2022 10:30:31 PM EST
[#5]
Interesting rifle but too many changes and part numbers to keep up with.
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Posted: 12/31/2022 8:13:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: MagnusActual]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By geriatricpollywog: Does anybody have the Haga Defense Bren 2 aluminum lower receiver? I'm putting mine together and want to know if it can use a milspec AR-15 bolt catch rollpin and detent spring. I believe the AR bolt catch is not compatible with the Bren. Direct from Haga Defense: "Factory CZ bolt catch/release assembly and disassembly pin will be reused." |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 9:27:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnny_Longslide: I believe the AR bolt catch is not compatible with the Bren. Direct from Haga Defense: "Factory CZ bolt catch/release assembly and disassembly pin will be reused." I have a Bren 2 bolt catch. I’m asking about the bolt catch spring and rollpin. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 12:07:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By geriatricpollywog: I have a Bren 2 bolt catch. I'm asking about the bolt catch spring and rollpin. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By geriatricpollywog: Originally Posted By Johnny_Longslide: I believe the AR bolt catch is not compatible with the Bren. Direct from Haga Defense: "Factory CZ bolt catch/release assembly and disassembly pin will be reused." I have a Bren 2 bolt catch. I'm asking about the bolt catch spring and rollpin. Got it. No comma.. |
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Posted: 1/1/2023 12:39:57 PM EST
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My spare 16" piston arrived from europe-outdoor.eu after they accidentally sent me the 8" piston. This one is parkerized!
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Posted: 1/5/2023 1:05:42 AM EST
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What 3rd party handguards exist to make the 14” barrel versions look less retarded?
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Posted: 1/5/2023 3:39:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: What 3rd party handguards exist to make the 14” barrel versions look less retarded? HBI |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 3:53:07 PM EST
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2023 4:18:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: Youtawn]
[#13]
Quote HistoryWell shit.... I haven't even got out to shoot mine yet!  ETA: CZ USA, if you are reading this, you are going entirely the wrong direction! You're dumping the Bren and the 527 and replacing it with the 600, which sucks. I've already dumped my 600 and a 557. I am keeping my three 527's, my 452 and 453 and my Bren (maybe), but time to find a new manufacturer for future purchases. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 4:28:54 PM EST
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How do you like the stock? On the fence about getting one
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2023 4:30:39 PM EST
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Not too surprised to hear that they've been discontinued. Aside from my own Bren, I've never seen another one at the range.
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Posted: 1/10/2023 4:47:24 PM EST
[#16]
Well that sucks.
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USA
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Posted: 1/10/2023 6:01:53 PM EST
[#17]
That’s surprising news about the Bren 2. Is aftermarket support big enough to support the platform with CZ pulling the plug?
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Posted: 1/10/2023 6:12:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: 556sniper]
[#18]
Well I'm glad I snagged a great deal on a Bren 2 pistol right before Christmas! Sucks that they are being discontinued and hopefully they don't abandon owners like Sig does.
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Posted: 1/10/2023 6:16:27 PM EST
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Holy shit... that guy who said he was a ex-CZ USA employee and said CZ is discontinuing importation of the Bren 2 was likely legit.
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Posted: 1/10/2023 6:58:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: fivepointoh]
[#20]
Guess it's time to get one so I don't miss out like I did when I sold my coyote ACR with coyote PMAG .yeah I know . and then discontinued right after that smh.
eta was gonna get one a few weeks ago and then a bunch of ammo deals popped up so I jumped on those. Bren 2 will be my next purchase. PTR 32P and hk51clone will have to wait 
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Posted: 1/10/2023 7:05:19 PM EST
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sad Bren 2 BR noises
 So fucking disappointing we'll never see a civilian version of that gun. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 7:42:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zeebz: sad Bren 2 BR noises So fucking disappointing we'll never see a civilian version of that gun. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 8:28:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: Zeebz]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fivepointoh: Hate to admit I was wrong about the CZ / Colt merger. Thought it would be CZ turning Colt around. Instead it is Colt driving CZ into the ground. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fivepointoh: Hate to admit I was wrong about the CZ / Colt merger. Thought it would be CZ turning Colt around. Instead it is Colt driving CZ into the ground. I thought the same. I thought CZ would turn Colt around and bring them back to being one of the great American firearm manufacturers. It is really unfortunate that things are ending up this way. Originally Posted By Youtawn: ETA: CZ USA, if you are reading this, you are going entirely the wrong direction! You're dumping the Bren and the 527 and replacing it with the 600, which sucks. I've already dumped my 600 and a 557. I am keeping my three 527's, my 452 and 453 and my Bren (maybe), but time to find a new manufacturer for future purchases. Honestly I'm debating on even keeping my Bren. I love the gun but with no parts available if it breaks it's just an expensive paperweight. |
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Posted: 1/10/2023 11:57:33 PM EST
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NGL if CZ actually fixed and supported the guns and didn't give us weird civil verisions of the mil guns then they probably would have sold better.
It's a shame really. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 6:14:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: LIONHART]
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Quote HistoryLooks like this is in reference to the carbine version. If so, I would suspect a different variation to be introduced at SHOT. The question in the above lists the item number, to which the CZ Rep said it was discontinued. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 6:15:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryBeretta management must be running CZ/Colt. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 8:10:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LIONHART: Looks like this is in reference to the carbine version. If so, I would suspect a different variation to be introduced at SHOT. The question in the above lists the item number, to which the CZ Rep said it was discontinued. I hope so, but things are looking worse and worse. Two guys on Reddit mentioned it yesterday. One said a CZ sales rep came in to their shop and they were talking and the sales rep said the Bren 2 won't be imported anymore. Another guy on Reddit in a different thread also mentioned his friend is an FFL and his distributor doesn't list the Bren 2 anymore as available for purchase. I have a buddy who has an FFL and he has a few distributors he uses. I'll ask him later today if he's able to order Bren 2s still through his distributors. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 8:48:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LIONHART: Looks like this is in reference to the carbine version. If so, I would suspect a different variation to be introduced at SHOT. The question in the above lists the item number, to which the CZ Rep said it was discontinued. If that were the case I think the reply would have been more specific, as in "That SKU is discontinued but X, X, and X are still available" Shes dead Jim
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:27:59 AM EST
[#29]
I thought they were changing the upper to the PDW style upper as a new standard. Maybe that’s the reason they’re not importing the standard Bren 2 any longer.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:28:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hking: If that were the case I think the reply would have been more specific, as in "That SKU is discontinued but X, X, and X are still available" Shes dead Jim Ok, so over on Reddit, in the Bren forum, they are saying that someone there sent an email to a higher up about the Bren 2 being discontinued and the response is that they don't have the capacity to import them to the US right now. Not sure if this is legit or not, but I hope so. They just can't supply CZ-USA due to supplying militaries. :shrug: |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:37:13 AM EST
[#31]
Yeah my buddy who has an FFL just got back to me and it sounds like his distributors don't list it for sale anymore.
It's happening, guys. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 10:28:14 AM EST
[#32]
Ugh. I'm conflicted on picking one up and not being able to source parts and then being afraid to shoot it due to it being disco'd. At the same time, I really want one. What would you guys do? Want the 11.14" 5.56 model and throw the HBI handguard on it.
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Posted: 1/11/2023 11:04:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fivepointoh: Ugh. I'm conflicted on picking one up and not being able to source parts and then being afraid to shoot it due to it being disco'd. At the same time, I really want one. What would you guys do? Want the 11.14" 5.56 model and throw the HBI handguard on it. I'd get it. The one good thing is I've not heard of any major part breakages on the Bren 2 in 5.56. I know Ian from Forgotten Weapons said the Bren 2 BR he was using in his video was a demo gun with 18k rounds through it and aside from a gas leak which required him to set it to adverse, it was still chugging along fine and he didn't mention them replacing anything in it. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 1:29:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TATBME: I thought they were changing the upper to the PDW style upper as a new standard. Maybe that’s the reason they’re not importing the standard Bren 2 any longer. That's my hunch. The Bren 2 may no longer be imported but a Bren 3 may be inbound with the newer receiver style. Or I could be flat ass wrong and CZ has decided they dont want to play in the civilian black rifle game any longer in the US. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 1:51:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC_JA: That's my hunch. The Bren 2 may no longer be imported but a Bren 3 may be inbound with the newer receiver style. Or I could be flat ass wrong and CZ has decided they dont want to play in the civilian black rifle game any longer in the US. So I literally just picked up my 11” Saturday. Question is are the stocks going to be available going forward. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 1:54:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: Hking]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TATBME: So I literally just picked up my 11” Saturday. Question is are the stocks going to be available going forward. I would get what you want now instead of risking it later Hopefully we get some straight info at SHOT in a few days. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 2:24:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hking: I would get what you want now instead of risking it later Hopefully we get some straight info at SHOT in a few days. Anyone have a good line on stock availability? |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 4:00:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: FullMetalMike]
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Just guessing here, but I feel like there's just going to be a new Bren and we'll probably see it at SHOT. Whether its a Bren 2 "Plus" like they did with the Scorpion, or Bren 3 or whatever, it seems like it makes more sense (to me, anyway) that they'd release a new version than to just decide to stop selling them.
It's not like that email was abundant on details or anything. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 4:55:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FullMetalMike: Just guessing here, but I feel like there's just going to be a new Bren and we'll probably see it at SHOT. Whether its a Bren 2 "Plus" like they did with the Scorpion, or Bren 3 or whatever, it seems like it makes more sense (to me, anyway) that they'd release a new version than to just decide to stop selling them. It's not like that email was abundant on details or anything. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 6:27:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fivepointoh: Weren't they sending a lot to Ukraine? Wonder if that's taking up their time so they are directing production towards that. I would love to see a 2 Plus or even a 3. Going to grab a 2 next week for sure. 11" or 8"? 8" is so sexy but I have an HK53 clone coming for those crowd pleaser moments. 11" makes more sense ballistically and I really don't want to have to worry about minimum length cans. Yeah, not far back in the thread I asked about if they were going to discontinue it because of a random encounter I had in a gun shop with some guy who told me they were a bad buy right now because they're being discontinued and won't be supported anymore. The employee I was talking to when the other guy joined in said, after the guy left, that the Bren 2 has a presence in Ukraine right now and he suspected that it might have something to do with people thinking they're being discontinued due to a lack of support here with a focus in Ukraine. I dunno. Whatever is happening, I can't wrap my head around them just shelving the gun completely. SHOT will hopefully produce actual information. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 8:51:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: Zeebz]
[#41]
So some more to the story from another guy who must have worked at CZ who has been posting on Reddit. I've summarized various comment from him below which is in the quotes. Here is his post history: https://old.reddit.com/user/Corsair438_
He said his understanding regarding the current situation with the Bren is production by CZ-UB is being focused towards the Ukraine-Russia conflict so imports will slowly dry up and be stopped. In addition Colt came in and laid off all the assembly staff at the CZ-USA KC plant. Their sole responsibility now is handling imports from CZ-UB. They no longer have the capacity to assemble or manufacture anything. So they can't do conversions of the Bren 2 to a carbine variant, and they can't produce 922r kits. He said if the Bren does return he could see it being rebranded as some Colt firearm. So it's the opposite of what we all thought would happen when this merger kicked off. CZ put Colt in control of US operations and kept the bad management who are making awful decisions, rather than what we thought would happen which is CZ would come in and clean house and turn Colt around. This also explains why the Scorpion carbines were discontinued and why the Bren 2 is likely to be added to the list pretty soon. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 9:10:27 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TATBME: Anyone have a good line on stock availability? vz58usa has both styles Bren stocks currently in stock. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 9:25:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Youtawn: vz58usa has both styles Bren stocks currently in stock. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Youtawn: Originally Posted By TATBME: Anyone have a good line on stock availability? vz58usa has both styles Bren stocks currently in stock. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 11:11:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: MagnusActual]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fivepointoh: Which one is better? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fivepointoh: Originally Posted By Youtawn: Originally Posted By TATBME: Anyone have a good line on stock availability? vz58usa has both styles Bren stocks currently in stock. I like the waffle stock and use them exclusively on all my Brens, using an RDS/mag combo. Only two notches of adjustment, slightly shorter LOP. I also had the "BR" stock while running a scope as it's a tad longer LOP and not as thin, has three notches of adjustment if I can recall. Both are nice. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 2:07:16 PM EST
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Since things seem to be all over the place I called CZ-USA on my lunch break and spoke to them.
So they said they're still on the website and they are still pushing guns out. They've also heard the rumors of it being discontinued. For now they are still being made, but it sounds like there are still internal discussions being had on its future. So there it is from the horse's mouth. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 3:27:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Youtawn: Ok, so over on Reddit, in the Bren forum, they are saying that someone there sent an email to a higher up about the Bren 2 being discontinued and the response is that they don't have the capacity to import them to the US right now. Not sure if this is legit or not, but I hope so. They just can't supply CZ-USA due to supplying militaries. :shrug: I received a response from my contact, (pretty high up), and the response was yes, it was discontinued, then UNdiscontinued. It has both to do with the uncertain US market and the incredibly massive demand in Europe for military small arms - someone is worried about being invaded or something like that. Soo, CZ BREN 2 is back on, but they will,( my guess), likely remain in short supply until supply catches up to demand. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 3:33:10 PM EST
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Me and all the other panic buyers reading through this thread's updates while on the checkout page for a Bren 2.
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Posted: 1/12/2023 3:34:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By armoredman: I received a response from my contact, (pretty high up), and the response was yes, it was discontinued, then UNdiscontinued. It has both to do with the uncertain US market and the incredibly massive demand in Europe for military small arms - someone is worried about being invaded or something like that. Soo, CZ BREN 2 is back on, but they will,( my guess), likely remain in short supply until supply catches up to demand. Awesome! Thank you for clarifying! |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 3:41:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By armoredman: I received a response from my contact, (pretty high up), and the response was yes, it was discontinued, then UNdiscontinued. It has both to do with the uncertain US market and the incredibly massive demand in Europe for military small arms - someone is worried about being invaded or something like that. Soo, CZ BREN 2 is back on, but they will,( my guess), likely remain in short supply until supply catches up to demand. It also sort of makes sense the lack of support from CZ. More focused on shipping 1000 guns out to Europe rather than 1 part to a customer under warranty. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2023 6:04:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By armoredman: I received a response from my contact, (pretty high up), and the response was yes, it was discontinued, then UNdiscontinued. It has both to do with the uncertain US market and the incredibly massive demand in Europe for military small arms - someone is worried about being invaded or something like that. Soo, CZ BREN 2 is back on, but they will,( my guess), likely remain in short supply until supply catches up to demand. I see well over 100 carbines for sale on Gunbroker, BNIB. 10 pages of listings for pistols. |
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