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Posted: 2/6/2010 7:25:07 PM EDT
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I haven't reloaded a damm thing yet but, I have learned that I didn't actually buy the carbide dies as I thought. I need to go get some case lube, Pronto.
Two stuck cases and I haven't gotten past setting up station ONE in my new Lee Loadmaster.... 
This is in reference to some 223 brass. I will be using Horandy 55 fmj bt w/ canulure. Anyways, I have been sorting brass and checking the case length with my caliper. These things are all over the place (worst between brands), and I am wondering (for plinking ammo) how important you all feel having the exact same case length is? Yes, I have the books ABC's ect... and have read them and reread them. Am I being a little too anal? Would you trim these? Here is a random sample of what I am talking about: 1.741 1.763 1.740 1.742 1.743 1.739 1.740 1.742 1.737 1.742 Thanks for your thoughts, Dave |
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Get past the sizing step first, then worry about the length.
Bottleneck cartridged require case lube, even if usiing a carbide sizer. Somehow you missed that detail in your reading, so you need to make another pass through the books. After sizing you'll find the cases have changed length and then you'll know how far to trim. If you opt for a crimp on the bullet, then each case needs to be trimmed to the same length in order for the crimps to be identical, and if you opt for the crimp, I recommend seating and crimping in separate steps. |
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I haven't reloaded a damm thing yet but, I have learned that I didn't actually buy the carbide dies as I thought. I need to go get some case lube, Pronto. Two stuck cases and I haven't gotten past setting up station ONE in my new Lee Loadmaster....
This is in reference to some 223 brass. I will be using Horandy 55 fmj bt w/ canulure. Anyways, I have been sorting brass and checking the case length with my caliper. These things are all over the place (worst between brands), and I am wondering (for plinking ammo) how important you all feel having the exact same case length is? Yes, I have the books ABC's ect... and have read them and reread them. Am I being a little too anal? Would you trim these? Here is a random sample of what I am talking about: 1.741 1.763 this one is over max, trim it. 1.740 1.742 1.743 1.739 1.740 1.742 1.737 1.742 Thanks for your thoughts, Dave Sounds like you have a lot of FC brass. If so read up on the case webs. For blasting ammo all but the over max case is ok to load. If you want accurate ammo, trimming is one of the methods you would use. eta, Forgot you said you were just starting, measure case length after sizing. Good catch AeroE. |
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Get past the sizing step first, then worry about the lenght. Bottleneck cartridged require case lube, even if usiing a carbide sizer. Somhow you missed that detail in your reading, so you need to make another pass through the books. After sizing you'll find the cases have changed length and then you'll know how far to trim. If you opt for a crimp on the bullet, then each case needs to be trimmed to the same length in order for the crimps to be identical, and if you opt for the crimp, I recommend seating and crimping in separate steps. So other than the rcbs rip cord case trimmer, what other (possibly better) trimmers are out there? |
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Get past the sizing step first, then worry about the lenght. Bottleneck cartridged require case lube, even if usiing a carbide sizer. Somhow you missed that detail in your reading, so you need to make another pass through the books. After sizing you'll find the cases have changed length and then you'll know how far to trim. If you opt for a crimp on the bullet, then each case needs to be trimmed to the same length in order for the crimps to be identical, and if you opt for the crimp, I recommend seating and crimping in separate steps. So other than the rcbs Lee rip cord case trimmer, what other (possibly better) trimmers are out there? Lee makes a different kind of hand trimmer also. RCBS, Lyman, Hornady, and many others make lathe type trimmers. The Possom Hollow trimmer is another type. |
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Sounds like you have a lot of FC brass. If so read up on the case webs.For blasting ammo all but the over max case is ok to load. If you want accurate ammo, trimming is one of the methods you would use. eta, Forgot you said you were just starting, measure case length after sizing. Good catch AeroE.[/quote] You nailed it right there..... I resized some of it and it is all over 1.760. Can you elaborate a little on " read up on the case webs" for me. Thanks you guys have all ready helped me out. |
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FC Brass webs - check this link: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=42&t=276154&page=1 And this link: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=42&t=304742 |
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If you have a local mom & pop fun shop get some Dillon Spray or equivelent.
You could try the link for Lanolin & 99%IPA for case lube. Try to avoidng One Shot if you can (various reasons). Decap & resize. As far as trimming - Any case greater than 1.750 should be trimmed down. Not sure what the minimum length should be off the top of my head. I'll look it up and edit. I would no load any of the FC stuff (just from all the FC posts I have read) so I'll just scrap them. LC headstamp from Federal is GTG - FC from federal can have the a thinner web and case case head sepration upon reloads and loose primer pockets IIRC. ~Medik |
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The trim to length as specified for 223 is 1.750". Consistent case length is a key to accuracy. Anything over 1.760 can be a real headache! Shorter case are useable, but perhaps may contribute to poor accuracy and consistency of crimp if applied.
Carbide dies right on the Dillon Box say case lube is necessary, not an option! Get Imperial Die Wax and never every look back. Make sure to lube the case mouth, too! This is where some case lengthening occurs by the case mouth being dragged over the expander ball. |
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Try to avoidng One Shot if you can (various reasons). As far as trimming - Any case greater than 1.750 should be trimmed down. Not sure what the minimum length should be off the top of my head. I'll look it up and edit. I would no load any of the FC stuff (just from all the FC posts I have read) so I'll just scrap them. LC headstamp from Federal is GTG - FC from federal can have the a thinner web and case case head sepration upon reloads and loose primer pockets IIRC. ~Medik What are the various reasons [i]NOT[i] to use One Shot? If the brass is shorter than 1.750, you shouldnt trim...right? Use it for your not so accurate or non crimped loads. Another FC basher. I have been using FC exclusively. No problems to report- yet. After reading about the FC web issue this weekend, I have done some research on that subject. Even if it does have a thinner web...it should still be good for several loads providing you are NOT loading at max |
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What are the various reasons [i]NOT[i] to use One Shot? The user must follow the instructions exactly. Nearly every stuck case reported here is caused by the use of One Shot. If the brass is shorter than 1.750, you shouldnt trim...right? Use it for your not so accurate or non crimped loads. Do not trim brass less than 1.75 inches, unless it's intended for use with a RCBS X die. The maximum recommended length is 1.76 inches, and most reloaders should use that dimenson unless they understand how to measure a chamber and the consequences of long cases in chambers made to SAAMI specs. Another FC basher. I have been using FC exclusively. No problems to report- yet. After reading about the FC web issue this weekend, I have done some research on that subject. Even if it does have a thinner web...it should still be good for several loads providing you are NOT loading at max Now you wouldn't pull our legs, would you? The thread you started with elementary questions about FC cases signals you are not an experienced user of FC brass. If you have been loading brass manufactured during the last three years, you probably won't have a problem. Cases made 10 years ago are a whole nuther problem. Your notion about mild loads in the thin web cases may not work out as well as you believe right now. |
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Quoted: What are the various reasons [i]NOT[i] to use One Shot? If you are careful and follow the instructions to a tee, you won't have any problem with it. I used it all last year on ~4K rounds without issue. That said, if you don't lube properly with it, you WILL have stuck cases... The reason I don't use it anymore is this: 1) The local shop was out of stock last time I went there when I was out, and I wanted to do some reloading... 2) home-made lube (Lanolin and IPA) from a spray bottle is comparatively cheap, lasts a long time, and works great... |
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Another FC basher. I have been using FC exclusively. No problems to report- yet. After reading about the FC web issue this weekend, I have done some research on that subject. Even if it does have a thinner web...it should still be good for several loads providing you are NOT loading at max Now you wouldn't pull our legs, would you? The thread you started with elementary questions about FC cases signals you are not an experienced user of FC brass. If you have been loading brass manufactured during the last three years, you probably won't have a problem. Cases made 10 years ago are a whole nuther problem. Your notion about mild loads in the thin web cases may not work out as well as you believe right now. No, I wouldnt be pulling your legs. In my thread I asked about the different FC HS...FC 223 Rem & FC 08. I knew that the numbers were year of manufacturing. Wanted to know what the difference of the two styles meant. I have loaded up about 3k FC 223 Rem brass since about late summer. Does loading 3k make me experienced in FC brass? Guess not. Thats why I asked questions. The latest batch I got was of the mixed FC HS. Havent had problems with the first 3k. Someone mentioned the web debate in that thread, in which I didnt know anything about. Click here for my original thread |
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