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12/22/2011 8:54:06 PM EDT
I just bought some old reloading gear and components off a man.  Poor dude is dying of cancer, so I was glad to give him some cash to leave the wife.

Among other things I picked up was some surplus 7.62 NATO FMJ loaded rounds.  Here are the case head deets:

ZV     69    7.62

The primer is BLACK which I have never seen before.  He claims they are Boxer primed, but if they are not, I will not be upset at the price I paid for them.

The boxes they came in were labelled with:

ME          DFR
DMB       FR
20
Car 7,62  M1
40 Trimestre/72

Any idea what I got?

Obviously I can pull a bullet to see the bullet grain wt.

These will be feeding a KT RFB.  And reloaded for same.

Thanks!
12/22/2011 9:58:29 PM EDT
[#1]
It's Czech. Made in 1969 and is corrosive. Black primer was normal for that year from what I've read.







Firstly, "ZV" is Zbrojovka Vlasim, the export mark for Military ammo of Sellier & Bellot, of Vlasim, Czechoslovakia (Then) and NOT "Brno" which had a headstamp "Z" in the 1930s and 40s, for their acquired Factory in Bratislava ( and leater durng WW II, set up at Povaske Strojarne (in Slovakia), which became the "PS" factory of sporting ammo after WW II.



The original factory, before acquisition by ZB ( 1935-6) was "Circle M", and before that "JR" ( Jiri Roth...connected to Georg Roth of Vienna ( pre-WW I).



The Blackened primer is found on 1969 dated 7,62x51 ( Labelled "T-65", the US trials designation which became the 7,62 Nato cartridge.). Reason for the Chemical Blackening is unknown, whether to identify Primer composition, or special order, or maker of the primer (S&B makes most of its own, at a separate factory from the Ammo Plant at Vlasim, but primers in the CSSR were also made by other factories as well. Thye Black primer had been used on previous "ZV" 7,62x39 and 54R as well ( export)



ZV 70 have normal brass primer cups.



BTW, the Czech word "Zbrojovka" means "Arsenal or Armoury" in English, and can refer to any sort of Ordnance Plant; not just rifles or ammunition.



As most surplus ZV69 and 70 came from Spanish Enclaves in North Africa(Melilla, Teruen, etc) the primers are a bit Iffy, especially the Black ones (69). so beware if shooting it.



12/22/2011 9:59:51 PM EDT
[#2]
Czech 7.62.  I have the same stuff. It pretty hot and not reccomended in Hk's.  It corrosive also. comes in  blue boxes if i remember correctly..
12/23/2011 1:41:27 AM EDT
[#3]
Most surplus ZV69 and 70 came from Spanish Enclaves in North
Africa(Melilla, Teruen, etc) the primers are a bit iffy, especially the
Black ones (69) so beware if/when shooting it.
12/23/2011 5:00:49 AM EDT
[#4]
Good info, thanks!

As far as corrosive ammo, is it the primer compound or the powder?

What do I do to remove the harmful chemicals?  Again KT RFB
12/23/2011 7:22:38 AM EDT
[#5]
Potassium chlorate in the primer.  Clean with a water-based solution, or foaming bore cleaner like outers or wipeout.  Foaming is the way to go for me.  Black powder bore cleaners will work too.

All you really need is soapy water to clean off all you can, followed by your solvent of choice.  But you need to address all powder residue, including the gas system and bolt face.
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