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Originally Posted By HKH: Originally Posted By cyclone: A braced AP53 would be kinda cool Heresy  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99571/IMG_4388-3472082.jpg Yeah. For the amount you are putting into one of these, it's worth the stamp. Especially now that stamps will be $0 in January. I paid the $200 for mine. A brace would not have scratched the itch. Attached File Pic taken before I finished dying the stock. |
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My AP53 works like a charm. i replace the factory FH with a KAK Industries 4 prong; probably will replace it with a Surefire 4 Prong once i find one, so i can run my SOCOM can on it. I also topped off the rail with a Vortex Crossfire red dot and it shoots like a dream. The machined steel spacer was made by a member over at HKPro Forums. Very nice spacer. Eventually, i will Form 1 this one. |
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Originally Posted By Bravo_Six: Yeah. For the amount you are putting into one of these, it's worth the stamp. Especially now that stamps will be $0 in January. I paid the $200 for mine. A brace would not have scratched the itch. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/128932/1000000953_jpg-3665640.JPG Pic taken before I finished dying the stock. Ditch the MP5 handguard and look for a proper 53 handguard. Don’t be a savage
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Originally Posted By Lancelot: Which stock did you use? It’s a Turkish contract buffered 53 (93) A3 stock. It came in FDE and I dyed it black. Damn thing looks German to me. Crazy I also removed the FH and used a KAK tapered collar to snug up my 4 prong AAC 51t suppressor mount. It’s surprisingly quiet with the SDN6. I need to try my Maxim 556 DSX-D. See if it is quieter than my PDX with 5.5” barrel. That is NOT hearing safe. Maybe the longer barrel will give me a few more decibel reduction. I’m not sure how a direct thread will snug up. Has anyone used a direct thread can on their AP53? |
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Originally Posted By Bravo_Six: Yeah. For the amount you are putting into one of these, it's worth the stamp. Especially now that stamps will be $0 in January. I paid the $200 for mine. A brace would not have scratched the itch. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/128932/1000000953_jpg-3665640.JPG Pic taken before I finished dying the stock. Originally Posted By Bravo_Six: Originally Posted By HKH: Originally Posted By cyclone: A braced AP53 would be kinda cool Heresy https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99571/IMG_4388-3472082.jpg Yeah. For the amount you are putting into one of these, it's worth the stamp. Especially now that stamps will be $0 in January. I paid the $200 for mine. A brace would not have scratched the itch. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/128932/1000000953_jpg-3665640.JPG Pic taken before I finished dying the stock. I have a plan, and a friend who will buy one, get tired of it then decide to sell it for literally nothing............ |
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Originally Posted By HKH: It’s a Turkish contract buffered 53 (93) A3 stock. It came in FDE and I dyed it black. Damn thing looks German to me. Crazy I also removed the FH and used a KAK tapered collar to snug up my 4 prong AAC 51t suppressor mount. It’s surprisingly quiet with the SDN6. I need to try my Maxim 556 DSX-D. See if it is quieter than my PDX with 5.5” barrel. That is NOT hearing safe. Maybe the longer barrel will give me a few more decibel reduction. I’m not sure how a direct thread will snug up. Has anyone used a direct thread can on their AP53? @HKH Are you using the stock locking doohicky with your SDN6? I bought a 4 prong mount to use mine, but then got confused about what (if any) locking thingy I needed. And yes, proper 53 handguard was on my list, but I stopped myself from spending any more money on this thing until I figure out if I actually like it. Right now I'm still on the fence, although I did recently shoot a 2G match with it and I don't think it fucked up my score as much as I was afraid it would. |
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Originally Posted By Bravo_Six: @HKH Are you using the stock locking doohicky with your SDN6? I bought a 4 prong mount to use mine, but then got confused about what (if any) locking thingy I needed. What I’ve got is the barrel of the 53, then the KAK taper adapter, then the factory AAC 51 tooth blackout flash hider. My SDN6 has the ratcheting locking mechanism if that’s what you’re asking. I just crank it down and it clicks and clicks till it cannot click any longer When I remove it I depress the mechanism on the can and unscrew it. Is that what you where asking? |
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Originally Posted By HKH: What I’ve got is the barrel of the 53, then the KAK taper adapter, then the factory AAC 51 tooth blackout flash hider. My SDN6 has the ratcheting locking mechanism if that’s what you’re asking. I just crank it down and it clicks and clicks till it cannot click any longer When I remove it I depress the mechanism on the can and unscrew it. Is that what you where asking? Originally Posted By HKH: Originally Posted By Bravo_Six: @HKH Are you using the stock locking doohicky with your SDN6? I bought a 4 prong mount to use mine, but then got confused about what (if any) locking thingy I needed. What I’ve got is the barrel of the 53, then the KAK taper adapter, then the factory AAC 51 tooth blackout flash hider. My SDN6 has the ratcheting locking mechanism if that’s what you’re asking. I just crank it down and it clicks and clicks till it cannot click any longer When I remove it I depress the mechanism on the can and unscrew it. Is that what you where asking? Sorry. I was talking about locking piece in the gun, like these: https://rimcountrymfg.com/product/rcm-hk-style-locking-piece-3-58-deg-5-56-223-copy/ I'm going to assume from your response that you are using the stock piece, but let know if that is wrong. ETA some additional discussion on LPs: https://www.hkpro.com/threads/hk53-locking-piece-question.228564/ |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: So are there folding and collapsible stocks that are bolt on with no other pieces needed? For most of the ones out there you will need to purchase a recoil rod assembly or harvest the one off the pistol endcap. |
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Originally Posted By Teamer: For most of the ones out there you will need to purchase a recoil rod assembly or harvest the one off the pistol endcap. Originally Posted By Teamer: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: So are there folding and collapsible stocks that are bolt on with no other pieces needed? For most of the ones out there you will need to purchase a recoil rod assembly or harvest the one off the pistol endcap. But that's it? I thought there was more to it but am not familiar with the HK's. So anything like this is easy to get working? https://hkparts.net/hk-rifle-smg-parts/hk33-hk53-hk93-telescopic-stock-a3-od-green/ |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: But that's it? I thought there was more to it but am not familiar with the HK's. So anything like this is easy to get working? https://hkparts.net/hk-rifle-smg-parts/hk33-hk53-hk93-telescopic-stock-a3-od-green/ You literally pop the pin out. Pull the previous cap off. Drop the new recoil rod in and put the new stock on and then put the pin back in. It’s essentially what you do to disassemble the gun for cleaning. Except when reassembling you’re putting a new stock on. Gun quality Enforcement on YT and a bunch of others have videos. A word of caution especially with the MkE ones some fitment might be needed. I’m on my second one right now as I destroyed one on accident trying to fit it one as it was tight. |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Cool thanks. I haven't picked one up yet so I'm sure at some point I'll be asking these questions again. Mine is my first roller lock. Would have survived without the tech forum here. |
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Originally Posted By Teamer: Mine is my first roller lock. Would have survived without the tech forum here. Originally Posted By Teamer: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Cool thanks. I haven't picked one up yet so I'm sure at some point I'll be asking these questions again. Mine is my first roller lock. Would have survived without the tech forum here. I've had 308's but didn't mess with them other than changing furniture. |
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Originally Posted By HKH: Man o man, what a letdown. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99571/IMG_8412-3672770.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99571/7F051129-905E-43DA-9F6F-682CF614DD11-2297093.jpg Guess I’m selling my complete lower for the MP5 MKE version with arc fire installed. All I needed was the slip trip and ejector to make the 53 frt I'm curious what problems they encountered on the 53/93 FRTs. Seems like they had a plan for an MP5 like conversion (using a special 223 trip and 223 ejector) tried it and need to go back to the drawing board. It seems like a logical conversion, but lots of things show up in real testing. I will wait patiently 
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Originally Posted By cherenkov: I'm curious what problems they encountered on the 53/93 FRTs. Seems like they had a plan for an MP5 like conversion (using a special 223 trip and 223 ejector) tried it and need to go back to the drawing board. It seems like a logical conversion, but lots of things show up in real testing. I will wait patiently Me too Not sure what MKE did to the bolts but apparently they jacked it up somehow. I think there may be a solution soon. They mentioned something in another thread that looked promising. That they are still working on it |
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Originally Posted By HKH: Me too Not sure what MKE did to the bolts but apparently they jacked it up somehow. I think there may be a solution soon. They mentioned something in another thread that looked promising. That they are still working on it MKE uses the blocking-bar type of semi-auto “enforcement” which prevents the use of full-auto carriers with sear trips. Perhaps related to that? |
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Originally Posted By Findsman: MKE uses the blocking-bar type of semi-auto “enforcement” which prevents the use of full-auto carriers with sear trips. Perhaps related to that? Interesting. I have a century which was a rebuild from a HK33 demil kit. I wonder if it would work with a trip? |
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Originally Posted By cherenkov: I'm curious what problems they encountered on the 53/93 FRTs. Seems like they had a plan for an MP5 like conversion (using a special 223 trip and 223 ejector) tried it and need to go back to the drawing board. It seems like a logical conversion, but lots of things show up in real testing. I will wait patiently Parabellum Combat has a working prototype that works for original HK 90 series. Supposedly he is working on a version for the MKEs. |
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Originally Posted By cherenkov: Interesting. I have a century which was a rebuild from a HK33 demil kit. I wonder if it would work with a trip? C93? Yeah, those are built to the original HK semi-auto shelf spec. Should be compatible with anything that works with HK91/93/94. Just the variable if it’s a good C93 or a bad one. I have two myself, one that’s the gray park finish that’s supposed to be the “better” of the original two subcontractors and one of the PTR rebuilds. The AP53 is a lot better built than both of them, ha. |
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Originally Posted By HKH: Dang I lost Jeff’s number. I just checked. I’ll shoot him a PM over at HKPro. He’s a good man. He posted a video on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1AhggYiGoA/ |
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Originally Posted By Shadyman: PTR makes 91’s Originally Posted By Shadyman: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Has there been any talk of full size 91s coming in? PTR makes 91’s Poorly, from what I hear. As of late anyway. |
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Poorly, from what I hear. As of late anyway. Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Originally Posted By Shadyman: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Has there been any talk of full size 91s coming in? PTR makes 91’s Poorly, from what I hear. As of late anyway. Henry from 9-Hole Reviews was not kind to them in his latest video. |
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Originally Posted By Teamer: Henry from 9-Hole Reviews was not kind to them in his latest video. Originally Posted By Teamer: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Originally Posted By Shadyman: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Has there been any talk of full size 91s coming in? PTR makes 91’s Poorly, from what I hear. As of late anyway. Henry from 9-Hole Reviews was not kind to them in his latest video. I had forgotten I watched that, yeah. I’ll probably just end up buying a CA3, still a PTR but at least it’s priced at a non-premium level. |
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It seems as if a gun is not made by H&K (who up until recently denied the US Market their stamped guns for decades) the guns are often touted as poor copies. As German engineering would have 7 parts do the job of 2 parts, that is easy to believe. However not all clones are bad and certainly worthy of us "poor" to use nonetheless even if not perfect. In the Absence of HK offering anything to the consumer - a clone will do. This forum exists because of mostly clones and sometimes helping each other deal with clone issues/fixes so that we can own and enjoy HK "style" products that HK would otherwise deny us of. Only very recently did HK offer much (since 89) perhaps due to success of clone sales. Turkish, Paki and US-Made or individual built clones are probably not perfect but at least exist so people get to actually own and shoot them. |
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Early on, a lot of folks would say that the PTRs were actually better built than the HK91. The welds were cleaner, the powdercoat finish was superior to anything HK did. As new ownership comes and goes it seems they take some epic missteps (non-fluted barrels comes to mind) but so far they have been able to pause and refocus. The HK/clone community has definitely been a mix of elitism and making things work for decades. I'm glad an middle ground has developed. I have six (and a half if we count the rebuilt C93) PTRs I can speak directly to and they're stellar guns. That said, I haven't purchased a new one in the last year--as they've expanded into the suppressor space, maybe they're losing some focus on their roller-locked guns. It doesn't help that it seems their prices have climbed a substantial amount so they're starting to exist as a premium product. It doesn't leave a lot of room for poor quality control or customer service. I'd be curious to hear what Atlantic or someone says about what they've noticed in broad schemes but they may be hesitant to step on their toes too much. |
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Originally Posted By Teamer: You literally pop the pin out. Pull the previous cap off. Drop the new recoil rod in and put the new stock on and then put the pin back in. It's essentially what you do to disassemble the gun for cleaning. Except when reassembling you're putting a new stock on. Gun quality Enforcement on YT and a bunch of others have videos. A word of caution especially with the MkE ones some fitment might be needed. I'm on my second one right now as I destroyed one on accident trying to fit it one as it was tight. Originally Posted By Teamer: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: But that's it? I thought there was more to it but am not familiar with the HK's. So anything like this is easy to get working? https://hkparts.net/hk-rifle-smg-parts/hk33-hk53-hk93-telescopic-stock-a3-od-green/ You literally pop the pin out. Pull the previous cap off. Drop the new recoil rod in and put the new stock on and then put the pin back in. It's essentially what you do to disassemble the gun for cleaning. Except when reassembling you're putting a new stock on. Gun quality Enforcement on YT and a bunch of others have videos. A word of caution especially with the MkE ones some fitment might be needed. I'm on my second one right now as I destroyed one on accident trying to fit it one as it was tight. |
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Originally Posted By Lancelot: Ok, so what recoil rod do you use? Here’s what I ordered from HK Parts to work with a 33 retractable stock. Worked fine. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Damon_23: Here’s what I ordered from HK Parts to work with a 33 retractable stock. Worked fine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113101/IMG_2142_jpeg-3688365.JPG That one right there that Damon_23 ordered is what most of us grabbed. |
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FYI for those of you interested in the AP53. While waiting for mine to be delivered I went ahead and ordered one of those taper adapters from KAK so I can use a supressor on mine. Turns out...that taper looks like a thing of the past. Looks like they have a normal flat cut now. Attached File Still not sure if I should go ahead and ordered a #7 locking piece or not. The current one is only marked with the last three numbers of the serial number. Bolt gap came in at 0.012. At least it appears in spec. How do I tell if I need the locking piece or perhaps its just best to put a new one in, #7 or #8, if running a can? |
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Originally Posted By coltc: FYI for those of you interested in the AP53. While waiting for mine to be delivered I went ahead and ordered one of those taper adapters from KAK so I can use a supressor on mine. Turns out...that taper looks like a thing of the past. Looks like they have a normal flat cut now. Good to hear that Century is listening to customers and I’m assuming advising MKE to change the shoulder. How’s the magazine fit on that one, and have you tried steel or aluminum magazines? I’ve been on the fence about ordering one after reading mixed reviews of loose magazine wells since I have a pile of surplus mags for my Vector 93 clone. |
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Originally Posted By NCshooter_26: Good to hear that Century is listening to customers and I’m assuming advising MKE to change the shoulder. How’s the magazine fit on that one, and have you tried steel or aluminum magazines? I’ve been on the fence about ordering one after reading mixed reviews of loose magazine wells since I have a pile of surplus mags for my Vector 93 clone. Originally Posted By NCshooter_26: Originally Posted By coltc: FYI for those of you interested in the AP53. While waiting for mine to be delivered I went ahead and ordered one of those taper adapters from KAK so I can use a supressor on mine. Turns out...that taper looks like a thing of the past. Looks like they have a normal flat cut now. Good to hear that Century is listening to customers and I’m assuming advising MKE to change the shoulder. How’s the magazine fit on that one, and have you tried steel or aluminum magazines? I’ve been on the fence about ordering one after reading mixed reviews of loose magazine wells since I have a pile of surplus mags for my Vector 93 clone. I only have the factory plastic mags and a handful of AC Unity plastic mags that I ordered. They are all pretty snug. The AC Unity appear to have a little more room but they certainly aren't loose by any means. The factory plastic mags feel almost too snug but are workable. I wouldn't want the magwell any tighter with the mags that I have. |
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Originally Posted By Damon_23: Here's what I ordered from HK Parts to work with a 33 retractable stock. Worked fine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113101/IMG_2142_jpeg-3688365.JPG has anyone used the HK33 plastic stock with this recoil rod? Originally Posted By Damon_23: Originally Posted By Lancelot: Ok, so what recoil rod do you use? Here's what I ordered from HK Parts to work with a 33 retractable stock. Worked fine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113101/IMG_2142_jpeg-3688365.JPG has anyone used the HK33 plastic stock with this recoil rod? |
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Originally Posted By Lancelot: has anyone used the HK33 plastic stock with this recoil rod? |
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I moved the AP53 buffer/fixed recoil spring/rod to an HK clubfoot stock. I used the spring/rod from HK parts with the contract buffered A3 stock If you want to go the removable sear trip route you have to send in your AP53 buffer with your carrier. No A3 stock solution I am aware of yet |
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Originally Posted By 0351: Let's hope Century listens to those who want 12" and 15.5" bbl pistols. All kidding aside, I would be down for a G3K or a 33k. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By 0351: Let's hope Century listens to those who want 12" and 15.5" bbl pistols. Probably unlikely. When Zenith brought them in, they couldn't hardly give them away. I got my Z43P for $1300, marked down from $1700ish. The local shop had them for a long time before they finally sold out. On top of that, rumor I s the ATF doesn't want to let long barreled pistols. |
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Originally Posted By Gibbles: For the handgaurd on the 53, where can one find the proper length one that's actually in stock? https://www.gatewoodsupplyco.com/BPP-HK51-HK53-Wide-Handguard--Black-_p_555.html |
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Originally Posted By macloud: Probably unlikely. When Zenith brought them in, they couldn't hardly give them away. I got my Z43P for $1300, marked down from $1700ish. The local shop had them for a long time before they finally sold out. On top of that, rumor I s the ATF doesn't want to let long barreled pistols. SBRs are now $0 tax stamp. Not sure how all of that plays with imports and what would need to make it happen, but I'm still down for at least two 33k's if someone figures it out. |
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Originally Posted By 0351: Let's hope Century listens to those who want 12" and 15.5" bbl pistols. Last I heard it was an ATF issue and not a Century/MKE one. But that might be outdated info. With the change in the SBR tax, NOW is the time if there ever was one. |
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