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Posted: 1/12/2009 12:11:26 PM EDT
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I'm trying to explain the difference between a clip and a mag to my relatives there all gun friendly, but my cousin owns 3 guns all 22's just thinks he knows all and just will not stop calling mags clips.
I've told him mags are not clips and showed him my grand clips and stripper clips, but he just says there the same difference I've told him there not but, I don't have a good way of explaining the difference between the two. Any one have a good way of explaining this or a link to some good explanations Thanks DC |
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A clip holds ammunition together to be loaded into a magazine! A magazine holds ammunition to be loaded into the chamber! Or a clip loads ammunition into a magazine! A magazine loads ammunition into the chamber! Does that work? I was always confused because of the way the Garand works but I think I've got it now. A Garand clip goes into the magazine to be loaded into the chamber? So on bolt guns with out magazines do they call the part that stores the ammunition a magazine? Thanks the helped tremendously. |
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The traditional method is that a clip loads a magazine, and a magazine is the device that loads cartridges into the chamber.
I really put a lot of thought into this... I always could tell a magazine was a magazine, and when a clip was a clip.... but I didn't know WHY I knew. I thought, broke it down. My conclusion... and what I feel the best way to give a newbie a general rule is... A magazine has a spring. A clip, does not have a spring. The definition of "spring" for this is a "coiled piece of wire". "Leaf springs" are excluded. A clip does not act upon cartridges. You "clip" them on... and they sit there. A leaf spring may exert force to keep them on the clip... but there is no feeding action going on. The spring allows the magazine to act upon the cartridges... feeding them forward as each is stripped off. For more detail... go to YouTube. Type "Clip vs. Magazine". |
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A clip holds ammunition together to be loaded into a magazine! A magazine holds ammunition to be loaded into the chamber! Or a clip loads ammunition into a magazine! A magazine loads ammunition into the chamber! Does that work? I was always confused because of the way the Garand works but I think I've got it now. A Garand clip goes into the magazine to be loaded into the chamber? So on bolt guns with out magazines do they call the part that stores the ammunition a magazine? Thanks the helped tremendously. The Garand uses an En Bloc clip... it is sort of a hybrid. En Bloc Clip and internal magazine. Rather unique system. Bolt actions, like the Springfield, Enfield, Mosin Nagant, etc. use stripper clips to load an internal magazine. |
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This may not be accurate to some of you, but after trying to be technical with many folks, I just tell them that if the top is round is the only one fully exposed, it's a mag. If you can see all the rounds, it's a clip.
Simplistic, but I believe gets the point across. |
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This may not be accurate to some of you, but after trying to be technical with many folks, I just tell them that if the top is round is the only one fully exposed, it's a mag. If you can see all the rounds, it's a clip. Simplistic, but I believe gets the point across. This is pretty easy to explain |
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Worlds are colliding! http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo194/Hueto/mags002in8.jpg http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo194/Hueto/mags004js1.jpg Thats pretty funny! I had an old Gunny tell me that clips are detachable and magazines are built in. Some Fish and Game law books also so something along the lines of "the definition of a loaded rifle is..... however, bullets in a detached clip are permissible". I dont get to exercised one way or the other.... I point out the difference between stripper clips and mags and thats about it. We are all shooters and gun enthusiasts so why try to push your view on something.... as long as they are not calling it a dohickey we should all understand what they are meaning. |
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For casual talk... I let people tell me how they put the bullets in their clips, then loaded it in their gun.
If it is any kind of technical discussion... I require proper terminology. I have gotten it in my head the right way... I have to actually figure out what they are talking about when they use the phrases wrong. |
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The Garand uses a Mannlicher type en bloc clip, which is not "unique", there are several Mannlicher type bolt actions that saw service with various countries (Austria, Portugal, and some South American countries) as well as the Italian Mannlicher-Carcano. Unlike stripper clips/chargers they feed the magazine and stay there until empty, then eject out of the top (in a Garand) or the bottom (in the various bolt guns) of the fixed magazine. This precludes topping off the action, which is why the Mauser, stripper clip system used on all other guns of the time was judged superior. |
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The Garand uses a Mannlicher type en bloc clip, which is not "unique", there are several Mannlicher type bolt actions that saw service with various countries (Austria, Portugal, and some South American countries) as well as the Italian Mannlicher-Carcano. Unlike stripper clips/chargers they feed the magazine and stay there until empty, then eject out of the top (in a Garand) or the bottom (in the various bolt guns) of the fixed magazine. This precludes topping off the action, which is why the Mauser, stripper clip system used on all other guns of the time was judged superior. Compared to box magazines, drum magazines, etc... the En Bloc clip is a unique system. Maybe unique isn't the word... it isn't something only the M1 has, I knew that. Let's just say... less common. |
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I stopped giving a shit about it yeah, that. life's too short. the next one is people who correct other people for using the term silencer as opposed to suppressor. i could give a turd, there are soooo many other things to worry about. |
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I stopped giving a shit about it yeah, that. life's too short. the next one is people who correct other people for using the term silencer as opposed to suppressor. i could give a turd, there are soooo many other things to worry about. Absolutely.. I don't let this bother me unless accurate communication is endangered. If someone asks me to hand them a clip for their 1911, I know what the hell they mean. |
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Does anyone know of an exception to the spring rule I mentioned earlier? Magazines have springs, clips don't. AR15 stripper clips have a spring. Most other clips are springs themselves otherwise the rounds would just flop around. More clip pictures. Banana clip 
Clip feed AR-15 
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Does anyone know of an exception to the spring rule I mentioned earlier? Magazines have springs, clips don't. AR15 stripper clips have a spring. Most other clips are springs themselves otherwise the rounds would just flop around. More clip pictures. Banana clip http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/wombatslayer/bananagunclip3835rm2.jpg Clip feed AR-15 http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/wombatslayer/cliphl6.jpg I should have clarified, like I did in my initial explanation. Leaf type springs are excluded for my rule. Only coiled wire springs. |
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Does anyone know of an exception to the spring rule I mentioned earlier? Magazines have springs, clips don't. AR15 stripper clips have a spring. Most other clips are springs themselves otherwise the rounds would just flop around. More clip pictures. Banana clip http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/wombatslayer/bananagunclip3835rm2.jpg Clip feed AR-15 http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/wombatslayer/cliphl6.jpg I should have clarified, like I did in my initial explanation. Leaf type springs are excluded for my rule. Only coiled wire springs. Lots of mags have leaf type springs! |
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Does anyone know of an exception to the spring rule I mentioned earlier? Magazines have springs, clips don't. AR15 stripper clips have a spring. Most other clips are springs themselves otherwise the rounds would just flop around. More clip pictures. Banana clip http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/wombatslayer/bananagunclip3835rm2.jpg Clip feed AR-15 http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/wombatslayer/cliphl6.jpg I should have clarified, like I did in my initial explanation. Leaf type springs are excluded for my rule. Only coiled wire springs. Lots of mags have leaf type springs! .....which ones? I will probably feel foolish when you tell me... but I can't think of any. |
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Quoted: I'm trying to explain the difference between a clip and a mag to my relatives there all gun friendly, but my cousin owns 3 guns all 22's just thinks he knows all and just will not stop calling mags clips. I've told him mags are not clips and showed him my grand clips and stripper clips, but he just says there the same difference I've told him there not but, I don't have a good way of explaining the difference between the two. Any one have a good way of explaining this or a link to some good explanations Thanks DC THink "Full Metal Jacket" and hold an enbloc clip in your right hand and a stainless ar magazine in your left. Both fully loaded. Smack him with the right hand and yell "CLIP!" Then, smack him with the left and shout "MAGAZINE!". Repeat. repeat. repeat. (Continue till he falls out, you succeed, or are too tired to continue.) Seriously, an Instructor that I had while working in the county Sheriff's Dept. used to take your Glock 22 magazine and throw it about 100 yards into the treeline if you called it a clip. Then you had to go and find it. Some people you just can't teach. |
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.....which ones? I will probably feel foolish when you tell me... but I can't think of any. I would call the springs in bolt action mags leaf springs.... maybe I am off in my interpretation tho. Peeking in to the mags for my Rem 7600 the springs are the same. I think most handgun and hi cap mags are coils... just had to point out that there are exceptions... I think! |
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.....which ones? I will probably feel foolish when you tell me... but I can't think of any. I would call the springs in bolt action mags leaf springs.... maybe I am off in my interpretation tho. Peeking in to the mags for my Rem 7600 the springs are the same. I think most handgun and hi cap mags are coils... just had to point out that there are exceptions... I think! True, true.... very true. It is more of a complex of leaf springs though... not just a single leaf spring. OK... here's the plan.... we rebuild every bolt action rifle out there to have a coiled spring... that way my rule works without a doubt. |
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I love how many don't seem to understand the difference between the word "brake" and "break". I see so many muzzle brakes called muzzle breaks. It's really pathetic.
Also, members on this board don't even seem to know what an assault rifle is. I guess the media brainwashing is working on people who should know better. There is a thread in GD where some assault rifles were supposedly stolen, 5 of them worth $10k. Some think that is too high. I have posted that I think $10k for 5 assault rifles would be a great deal and some still don't get it. They still argue that it's too much. BTW, this is a flash hider: 
All it does it hide the flash from the shooter. It does not act on the gasses to suppress them like the flash suppressors shown below do: 
They are two different things. Words DO have meanings despite those who argue that it is just semantics. |
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