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Posted: 5/30/2009 1:57:36 PM EDT
| Anyone have a chance to shoot one yet? They look nice. |
| I haven't shot one, but I sold to of the OPS's and two carbines yesterday. The look and feel are great. Very high quality, fit and finish. I sold the two OPS's before I even saw one. If I can get more in I will keep one. Very nice. I have the third and last carbine on GB. |
| Played with one today. It felt cheap and weak. The pins would not even come out. Nobody could separate the upper and lower all day. I like the fact they used metal parts but damn that thing was flimsy, rattled and just crappy in my opinion. The gsg's feel more durable than them and they are made of plastic. I would not buy one. |
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Played with one today. It felt cheap and weak. The pins would not even come out. Nobody could separate the upper and lower all day. I like the fact they used metal parts but damn that thing was flimsy, rattled and just crappy in my opinion. The gsg's feel more durable than them and they are made of plastic. I would not buy one. I would have to agree with you.......I saw one today in a local gun shop. I LOVE my dedicated upper with real parts even more now....... 
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My local dealer, Warrenton, MO, had four of the M4 models yesterday. Didn't look too bad. About the same price of a decent 22LR upper. Didn't have a chance to try and disassemble it. Two were already spoken for. I will take another look tonight if they are still there.
.22's are always fun. 
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I saw one today. Interesting.
I like that it's a Colt...even though it's made in Germany. The magazines look way too long and I think they're proprietary. The rear sight parts look more like airsoft knock-offs than actual Colt. Many of the parts appear cast not forged. At $599, the whole gun is cheaper than a Spike's upper. It's tempting. |
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Just bought one for $565 at my local gun shop.
Well built and looks great - barrel looks shorter than the 17.5" I measured it at since it is recessed into the receiver like all of the dedicated 22LR uppers - looks like a real 14.5" M4. Mags seem odd and selecter goes 180-degrees from SAFE to FIRE (where AUTO is on M16). I'll try it later. Traded my aging basic synthetic-stock/standard-blued-barrel Savge Mark-IIF with Bushnell 22LR scope on it and got $175 for it - this is a nice upgrade for $424 or so with all taxes and stuff. I'm happy for now - we'll see how it works. I also would like to know what the thread specs are as I would like to add my suppressor later - I doubt that it's standard "Colt" - hopefully adapters will be made in the future. |
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I kinda did a write up on mine and yes you can use a suppressor if you get a walter p22 threaded adapter
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=15&t=446832 |
I just picked on up while at my FFL's for a transfer but I'm not sure that I'm too impressed after really examining it. Compared to my Spike's dedicated upper it's only real advantage is price.
I'll have to play around with it a bit more to see what I really think of it. Edited later that night: I'm not fond of the 180deg safety, proprietary components, extra long mags, barrel sleeve, or the fo-bolt catch. ETA: range time 6/17 see below |
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So I finally got the chance to take my 3 newest AR's out to the range today, my Colt .22 M4 being one of them. While the build quality seems to be severely lacking mainly due to the fact that it is mfgd by an airsoft company who's owner has a passion for rimfire.
I ran 3 different types of ammo: Fed classic blue box, Aguila High velocity yellow box, and Rem thunderbolt. 100rds each I had 5 failures in 300rds - 2 FTE (1 w/ Thunderbolt, 1 w/ Fed) the cases got stuck in the bolt sticking out of the ejection port, no big deal. - 3 light primer strikes; 2 w/ rem, 1 w/ Fed The only thing I had to do was turn the bolt tension allen head screw about 10deg. and it's great. I had no feeding/mag issues! I shot slowly and also did a couple mag dumps. 
Finally, the accuracy surprised me most. The front post is a little thicker than a std post but the rear sight has solid adjustments and was easy to zero. I was able to hit 12ga hulls at 15yds and was shooting 6-8" groups @ 100yds standing! For a .22, running cheap ammo, and taking into consideration my less-than-stellar-marksmanship I am very pleased! I was considering selling it before I even shot it after reading of all the issues some guys are having but I am most definitely keeping this baby, $560 "pony" plinker. 
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The only thing I had to do was turn the bolt tension allen head screw about 10deg. and it's great. Did you turn it clock-wise to slow the bolt-speed for high-velocity ammo? Also, I believe it's made by Walther for Colt and imported by UMAREX. Has the same muzzle-threading as the Walther P22 and you can use a P22 adapter to take it to 1/2 x 28 for standard/USA suppressor use - Gemtech is coming out with an adapter specific to the Colt for a better fit. Thanks. |
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The only thing I had to do was turn the bolt tension allen head screw about 10deg. and it's great. Did you turn it clock-wise to slow the bolt-speed for high-velocity ammo? Also, I believe it's made by Walther for Colt and imported by UMAREX. Has the same muzzle-threading as the Walther P22 and you can use a P22 adapter to take it to 1/2 x 28 for standard/USA suppressor use - Gemtech is coming out with an adapter specific to the Colt for a better fit. Thanks. I turned it counter clock-wise to increase the bolt speed in hopes that it would help with the light primer strikes. Yes I know it says Walther makes it but Uramex is the one who you have to go through for CS and they are an airsoft company. Uramex makes other .22 clone weapons, from what I've read, and this seems to be a passion of the owner of Uramex. |
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The only thing I had to do was turn the bolt tension allen head screw about 10deg. and it's great. Did you turn it clock-wise to slow the bolt-speed for high-velocity ammo? Also, I believe it's made by Walther for Colt and imported by UMAREX. Has the same muzzle-threading as the Walther P22 and you can use a P22 adapter to take it to 1/2 x 28 for standard/USA suppressor use - Gemtech is coming out with an adapter specific to the Colt for a better fit. Thanks. I turned it counter clock-wise to increase the bolt speed in hopes that it would help with the light primer strikes. Yes I know it says Walther makes it but Uramex is the one who you have to go through for CS and they are an airsoft company. Uramex makes other .22 clone weapons, from what I've read, and this seems to be a passion of the owner of Uramex. Yea, I see what you mean about URAMEX. Then after you made the bolt-speed adjustment, your initial problems (FTE and light primer strikes) went away? Thanks again. |
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The only thing I had to do was turn the bolt tension allen head screw about 10deg. and it's great. Did you turn it clock-wise to slow the bolt-speed for high-velocity ammo? Also, I believe it's made by Walther for Colt and imported by UMAREX. Has the same muzzle-threading as the Walther P22 and you can use a P22 adapter to take it to 1/2 x 28 for standard/USA suppressor use - Gemtech is coming out with an adapter specific to the Colt for a better fit. Thanks. I turned it counter clock-wise to increase the bolt speed in hopes that it would help with the light primer strikes. Yes I know it says Walther makes it but Uramex is the one who you have to go through for CS and they are an airsoft company. Uramex makes other .22 clone weapons, from what I've read, and this seems to be a passion of the owner of Uramex. Yea, I see what you mean about URAMEX. Then after you made the bolt-speed adjustment, your initial problems (FTE and light primer strikes) went away? Thanks again. I had one FTE/stove-pipe after that point, with Thunderbolt. I'll play around with it a bit more next time. I'm not going to clean it for as long as possible |
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I have some remington ammo and it doesn't work properly in my GSG5 OR my Colt Umarex M4... I think that ammo is simply CRAP.
I reviewed this and put it in the "Colt" section, you can find the thread here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=29&t=175227&page=1 |
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Got my thread adapter from Gemtech - mounted with no problems.
Used it to mount a bi-lock for use with my Gemtech M4-96D. Tested concentricity with 22LR ram-rod - straight as any other I've tested and used with this method. Haven't fired it yet with the suppressor. Note: That gap should not be there between the adapter and the barrel-shroud. Gemtech got an early rifle and designed their adapter from it - the rifle design changed in production. The adapter is in the mail back to Gemtech and they are altering it for the new design. Photos: 
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DONT FIRE IT YET. As you may be able to tell, the mount doesn't hold the barrel snug. There is some "play" between the adapter and the barrel shrowd. See how the barrel can move back and forth? If you slip in a washer that ought to hold it. Try it then. I contacted Gemtech and they are looking into the problem. |
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drfcolt, DONT FIRE IT YET. As you may be able to tell, the mount doesn't hold the barrel snug. There is some "play" between the adapter and the barrel shrowd. See how the barrel can move back and forth? If you slip in a washer that ought to hold it. Try it then. I contacted Gemtech and they are looking into the problem. A washer between the adapter and the barrel-shroud? What type/size of washer? Thanks. |
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I just had something sitting around and it was enough to fill the gap. The barrel does tend to move a bit with the washer.
I contacted Gemtech and they want me to send mine back by mail. They are sending out replacments that hold the barrel firm. I suggest you give Gemtech a call. Apparently the prototype guns sent to Gemtech differed slightly from the production versions everyone is now buying. That difference caused this gap. |
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What's up withat magazine. The GSG5 looks just right in proportion, but the M4 clone has this really awkward looking mag (in comparison to real deal). I'd much rathre they came out with a 22rd mag so it'll look right. Appearance and handling are important with these clones, otherwise people would just get 10/22.
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drfcolt, DONT FIRE IT YET. As you may be able to tell, the mount doesn't hold the barrel snug. There is some "play" between the adapter and the barrel shrowd. See how the barrel can move back and forth? If you slip in a washer that ought to hold it. Try it then. I contacted Gemtech and they are looking into the problem. A washer between the adapter and the barrel-shroud? What type/size of washer? Thanks. You should get a precision machined spacer not an off the shelf washer. They will not be perpendicular to the bore. Any small machine shop should be able to make one in a few minutes for around $10. |
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HI my 1st one came out of the box with a CRACKED receiver the next one NO.2 i got the little tit buy the fake bolt rel broke off and trying to get a gun with a ton of Lite hits and NO hits to shoot BUT THEY ALL went in NO jams just a TON of lite hits and NO hits.Gun NO.3 was sold within hours of hitting my door.all mine were CRAP JUNK TRASH.but i will tell you a pal has 1 and he says his runs great.wish they would of made a REAL AR in 22lr for a $1000,insted of the LOW BALL Walmart gun.john
Anyone have a chance to shoot one yet? They look nice. |
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I purchased a Colt M4 .22LR about a month ago and have put close to 1000 rounds through it and I have found some things that I really like and I just recently stumbled upon a couple of things that really honk me off:
Likes: 1. Once I got it dialed in, it shoots like a champ and is a blast to shoot! 2. I have tried CCI and Winchester 333 and it seems to like those quite a bit, although I think I need to adjust the slide speed because I still suffer from the occasional misfeed/failure to eject/etc. Dislikes 1. Like others have mentioned, I had to run my front sight post up quite a few turns to bring my rounds down. It was shooting at least a foot high at 60-70 yds. Umarex is sending me a taller sight post when they get back in stock. 2. I had to go quite a few clicks to the right on my rear sight aperture to get on paper too. The rifle shot way left out of the box. Umarex said that I might need to adjust my front sight base because apparently they have had issues with them moving during shipping. 3. Still getting an occasional misfeed/failure to eject/etc that I need to adjust for. 4. The trigger pull is almost painful after a few hundred rounds. I want to take it to a gunsmith to see what they can do. 5. Aguila high velocity ammo seems to shoot very high even though winchesters are dead on. not sure if it is the smaller bullet weight or the higher velocity but it looks like it will require a re-zero to shoot this ammo in my rifle. This really chaps my a$$ I wanted to improve my iron sights even more so I purchased a . 050 NM DCM front sight post and a .030/.040 NM rear aperture thinking I could really get dialed in with my irons. When I received the new sights, I excitedly set about removing the OEM front sight post and screwing in the new one. Only the new one was too thick and would not fit. %#^@%!! Oh, well I thought. I can at least put on the smaller rear aperture, so I took the OEM aperture off and tried screwing the adjuster back in. Again, the adjustment screw was too large to thread into the new aperture. ^#%$@#$!! I have thought about purchasing a replacement AR front sight base and an AR handle but I am worried what new headaches I will run into with that. I thought some of these parts were standard AR parts but that doesn’t seem to be the case. All in all, I like the rifle, but it will most likely be much better once Umarex gets all of the kinks worked out. It would also be great if they could use standard AR hardware so you could swap stuff out easily. I hope this helps others. Brian |
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