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Posted: 4/28/2013 9:53:21 AM EDT
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Hello, I don't post very much on here; just read. My LE Department recently confiscated a WASR in 7.62 and an individual advised the seizing agent that the weapon was full auto. I was asked to take a look at it and here is what I found:
We have a bunch of auto weapons in the armory and the standard LE auto check is (after making the weapon clear and safe), taking the safety off pulling the trigger to release the hammer, racking the slide back and letting it foreword under its own power while the trigger is still depressed. All the auto weapons I have checked this way have let the hammer drop when the bolt hits the forward position without pulling the trigger again. I conducted this check on the WASR and the hammer did not drop when I let the bolt forward, however, as soon as I let the trigger back out; the hammer fell. This made it seem like the WASR fires when you pull the trigger and when you let it back out. I don't have a ton of experience with the auto action on AK style weapons and I am trying to figure out what is going on with it, and if it is an NFA violation. I have not fired the WASR. Can anyone help me out on this? Thank You |
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It is a malfunction called "doubling" and is not an NFA violation, but a failure of the disconnector to retain the hammer until the trigger is reset sufficiently to catch the hammer again.
Replacing the disconnector and/or hammer, or having their overlap adjusted by a competent gunsmith will fix the issue. |
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It is a malfunction called "doubling" and is not an NFA violation, Not according to Olafson. different issue altogether. the ATF has ruled specifically that triggers or devices that allow a shot to be fired on the PULL, and on the RELEASE, are legal - it's still 1 shot per function of the trigger (although very unsafe IMHO). i believe someone actually used to sell a device for the mini 14 that made the trigger function like this. ETA: i'd love to know what this rifle was seized for... |
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The "paperclip mod" to the mini 14 did the same thing. Ruled legal. Dangerous as hell but legal. Broken part making it double is my guess. I once got a Mini 14 in trade that had that mod in it. ingenious but scared me. never did try it out like that. Can you find a link to that ruling please? |
| Ok, thank you for the responses. The complainant advised that the weapon has fired in auto. There is only the two selector positions (typically found on semi AKs). Safe is safe, down is the one pull one shot, one release one shot. However, brought it for a range test to confirm and the trigger only seemed to operate that way with irregularity (non firing). No middle selector position. Upon test fire, 2 and 3 rd burst (irregular) and sometimes regular semi operation. At a convenient moment I will take a picture of the internals. It appears that a notch has been cut out of what looks to be the disconnecter, and interestingly, the safety selector can be pulled outward (from the side of the weapon) and it changes the position of the internals. It is a US made trigger group that has been modified. |
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Ok, thank you for the responses. The complainant advised that the weapon has fired in auto. There is only the two selector positions (typically found on semi AKs). Safe is safe, down is the one pull one shot, one release one shot. However, brought it for a range test to confirm and the trigger only seemed to operate that way with irregularity (non firing). No middle selector position. Upon test fire, 2 and 3 rd burst (irregular) and sometimes regular semi operation. At a convenient moment I will take a picture of the internals. It appears that a notch has been cut out of what looks to be the disconnecter, and interestingly, the safety selector can be pulled outward (from the side of the weapon) and it changes the position of the internals. It is a US made trigger group that has been modified. Interesting. Tag for pics |
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Not according to Olafson.
He was railroaded. And? And he had an M16 selector in his weapon. He had full auto fire control parts in a semi rifle. He told his friend the gun went to a third unmarked position and that it would do what it did. Guilty. 
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Not according to Olafson.
He was railroaded. And? And he had an M16 selector in his weapon. He had full auto fire control parts in a semi rifle. He told his friend the gun went to a third unmarked position and that it would do what it did. Guilty. Without an auto sear or DIAS, it wouldn't do anything other then semi or jam from slam firing. IIRC the hammer is the same other then a notch on the tail for the auto sear to hold it from following the bolt, trigger is open at the back (otherwise the same) to allow the extended disconnector( same other then the tail) to engage the selector (has an extra flat milled at 90 degrees to the normal one), which in turn holds the dissconector from stopping the hammer after each shot. The auto sear is what keeps it from just slam firing uncontrolably. Sounds like some one modd'ed the disconnector in the OPs rifle. I purchased a Chinese Ak years ago that had the disconnector ground down until it was unuseable resulting in the hammer following the bolt after every shot. Leaving uncocked on a live round. $7 replacement part fixed that. |
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And he had an M16 selector in his weapon. He had full auto fire control parts in a semi rifle. He told his friend the gun went to a third unmarked position and that it would do what it did. Guilty. According to this, the fire control parts were all original, unmodified factory parts commonly used in his generation of rifle. The issue his rifle experienced is typical with those parts. The ATF had also removed a MG from the registry with this same type of fire... claiming the firing of more than one round per trigger pull was a malfunction and that the rifle was semi auto in need of repair. If that's accurate, wouldn't it be reasonable to conclude that instead he's guilty of knowingly lending a malfunctioning semi auto rifle to someone else; while not a wise idea also not illegal? Or is there something else left out/inaccurate from that description? |
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