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Posted: 3/21/2010 10:11:27 PM EDT
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I have been looking into converting my USC to a UMP. It would cost around $1300 for HDPS to do this.
Would you do it or just buy another firearm? My top 3: SA TRP w/ rail, SA Scout Squad M1A, HK SL8-6 |
| If i had a HK USC i would want to convert it to a UMP for sure. I mean having 10rd mags sucks, would much rather have the 25rd mags in a carbine. And of course the thumb hole stock isn't the greatest, the pistol grip with side folding stock is much better. The UMP has the cool factor going for it and will get looks at the range for sure. |
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I have been looking into converting my USC to a UMP. It would cost around $1300 for HDPS to do this. Would you do it or just buy another firearm? My top 3: SA TRP w/ rail, SA Scout Squad M1A, HK SL8-6 If you have the money, then go for it. Nothing beats the authentic HK look 
But, If you just want high capacity mags (30rds), and easy and affordable conversion I would look into the TN Grease Gun conversion kit ($240 vs. $1300). I have luck with the GG mags, No probs so far. 
ETA: linky: TN USC UMP grease gun conversion kit |
Just buy the conversion one part at a time. Take you time with it and before you know it, it is done. Plus you can shop around and keep your eye open for good deals for parts on GB or EE. If your going to spend all then money at once, I would go ahead and get another gun or three.
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I'd have it converted. They look neat when they are done. But at the same time, I could see buying another gun instead of paying to have it converted. I likely wouldn't have bought one that wasn't converted in the first place, so I guess that would kind of keep me from needing to have it be converted. 
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But the USC/UMP would be 90something percent real HK and in .45 ACP also. ARKAR And it would also just be a poser. No sear available. So you would have spent a lot of money (over 3K) for a gun that will never shoot FA. But you'll look cool, as a poser. But yeah, the .45 thing is nice. |
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For that much money you could just buy one of these: http://fototime.com/%7B6C1C2FE1-090B-4C4E-84EB-FBD945CC94AE%7D/origpict/CIMG0198.JPG The can would cost extra though. I have a HK94 so no need for that.... |
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But the USC/UMP would be 90something percent real HK and in .45 ACP also. ARKAR And it would also just be a poser. No sear available. So you would have spent a lot of money (over 3K) for a gun that will never shoot FA. But you'll look cool, as a poser. But yeah, the .45 thing is nice. Take a shot from one and see if it's "just a poser". And how much more will you have to spend to make the roller-locked clone (non HK) gun run in FA? Around $12k or $13k. Just because the gun isn't full auto doesn't make it a "poser". I own two Coharie Arms guns and another built by Jayson at IGF on a Special Weapons receiver, so I'm not biased. ARKAR |
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But the USC/UMP would be 90something percent real HK and in .45 ACP also. ARKAR And it would also just be a poser. No sear available. So you would have spent a lot of money (over 3K) for a gun that will never shoot FA. But you'll look cool, as a poser. By your logic unless your gun is an honest-to-God German factory-built HK MP5, G3, etc - it is just a poser, conversion, clone, or whatever else you want to call it. So that makes you as much of a poser as anyone else. Is the sear you are so proud of in that CA-89K an actual HK-manufactured sear? If not you're a poser. Buying a sub-par gun with a shitty reputation for function just so you can hose cheap ammo at the range in full-auto makes you a poser. Hope this helps, Clint |
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Go over to HKPro.com and talk to aviator dave about converting it, he did mine waaayyyyyyyy cheaper than, 1300. AviatorDave did my conversion work as well (milling and dyeing) - his work is exceptional quality, priced competitively and he has fast turnaround (roughly two weeks from door to door for the work he did on my receiver). Hope this helps, Clint |
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Debate 101 only works on freshmen. You're wasting your energy here.
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But the USC/UMP would be 90something percent real HK and in .45 ACP also. ARKAR And it would also just be a poser. No sear available. So you would have spent a lot of money (over 3K) for a gun that will never shoot FA. But you'll look cool, as a poser. By your logic unless your gun is an honest-to-God German factory-built HK MP5, G3, etc - it is just a poser, conversion, clone, or whatever else you want to call it. So that makes you as much of a poser as anyone else. Is the sear you are so proud of in that CA-89K an actual HK-manufactured sear? If not you're a poser. Buying a sub-par gun with a shitty reputation for function just so you can hose cheap ammo at the range in full-auto makes you a poser. Hope this helps, Clint Just like the M-16, a MP5 or MP5K is not subject to one manufacturer. Even the original G3 came from two different companies (H&K and Rhinemetall). Everyone has become so enamoured by H&K's marketing that they believe the name is everything. My remarks and term "poser" wasn't in reference to the wonderous world of H&K brand, but to the actually functionality of a weapon and it's ability to perform as the real deal. Your opinions on Coharie or SW guns, while seemingly popular, reflect nothing more than a general hatred for the maker, thereby rendering your overall statements questionable, at best. I'm sure you've seen a few guns that were suffering from operational issues but to consider all of them to be "sub-par" because of an over-propagated reputation, that's just silly. If you have become so captivated by the HK name and think that the true essence of the guns we love is a trademark, well then, my friend, you are only a few steps away from drinking Kool-Aid. Now go back to wearing your HK t-shirt, whittling a block of wood with your HK pocket knife, and drinking coffee out of your HK mug. 
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But the USC/UMP would be 90something percent real HK and in .45 ACP also. ARKAR And it would also just be a poser. No sear available. So you would have spent a lot of money (over 3K) for a gun that will never shoot FA. But you'll look cool, as a poser. But yeah, the .45 thing is nice. Take a shot from one and see if it's "just a poser". And how much more will you have to spend to make the roller-locked clone (non HK) gun run in FA? Around $12k or $13k. Just because the gun isn't full auto doesn't make it a "poser". I own two Coharie Arms guns and another built by Jayson at IGF on a Special Weapons receiver, so I'm not biased. ARKAR Nah, I was just yanking you guys' chains. I think they are nice guns. Havoc really went off the deep end though.
I've considered getting a UMP conversion on several occasions. After getting my sear though, I've become addicted to the "sear host" thing. Maybe some day, when I get all the hosts that I'm interested in, I'll pick up a UMP .45 to go play with. Excuse me, I meant to go pose with.
ETA: I'd pose with something like this... 
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Debate 101 only works on freshmen. You're wasting your energy here. Just like the M-16, a MP5 or MP5K is not subject to one manufacturer. Even the original G3 came from two different companies (H&K and Rhinemetall). Everyone has become so enamoured by H&K's marketing that they believe the name is everything. My remarks and term "poser" wasn't in reference to the wonderous world of H&K brand, but to the actually functionality of a weapon and it's ability to perform as the real deal. Your opinions on Coharie or SW guns, while seemingly popular, reflect nothing more than a general hatred for the maker, thereby rendering your overall statements questionable, at best. I'm sure you've seen a few guns that were suffering from operational issues but to consider all of them to be "sub-par" because of an over-propagated reputation, that's just silly. If you have become so captivated by the HK name and think that the true essence of the guns we love is a trademark, well then, my friend, you are only a few steps away from drinking Kool-Aid. Now go back to wearing your HK t-shirt, whittling a block of wood with your HK pocket knife, and drinking coffee out of your HK mug.
As usual you retort with snarky bullshit to make yourself the misunderstood victim - as if your comments were somehow misinterpreted due to "not everyone getting your humor" or some such. Regarding Special weapons, Coharie, or whatever they're calling themselves - I have never seen a gun they built that ran out of the box, nor have I ever heard of one doing same. If you choose to buy them to tinker with and install a sear pack in thats good for you - but it doesn't make you any less of a poser than you were clearly labeling ARKAR as above. I'm no more enamored by the HK brand as any other, but I do own a couple for technical reference and for fun. Oh, and I don't have any HK shirts and rarely drink coffee - but I do have a knife somewhere that was a gift from Jim Schatz many years ago. Now go back to flinging your pony tail and helping those who can't learn from other's experience figure out how to get their Coharie guns to function (which I must say you seem to know alot of good info about). |
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... I must say you seem to know alot of good info about). I'm sort of a "glass is half full" kind of guy. So I read the whole post and this was all that really mattered. So thanks. And just for the record, I called the gun a poser, not the owner or shooter. Well that and the fact that you like/remember my pony tail. Cool. But just for any of those other guys who would enjoy seeing it, let's share again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjAdYi_KqxM I watched that video again and I never once saw my pony tail fling. Maybe you're fantasies are getting a little carried away. I can see that happening. If I make another video I promise to do some pony tail flinging just for you.
ETA: Ya know, I just thought of something really funny. The photo of my CA89K is truly a poser. That gun is mostly HK stuff (entire bolt assy, front grip, lower grip, B&T folding stock, HK trigger pack) posing as a Coharie gun. Well there'ya go... posers all over the place. The world is full of'em. Lighten up, Francis.
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Debate 101 only works on freshmen. You're wasting your energy here. Just like the M-16, a MP5 or MP5K is not subject to one manufacturer. Even the original G3 came from two different companies (H&K and Rhinemetall). Everyone has become so enamoured by H&K's marketing that they believe the name is everything. My remarks and term "poser" wasn't in reference to the wonderous world of H&K brand, but to the actually functionality of a weapon and it's ability to perform as the real deal. Your opinions on Coharie or SW guns, while seemingly popular, reflect nothing more than a general hatred for the maker, thereby rendering your overall statements questionable, at best. I'm sure you've seen a few guns that were suffering from operational issues but to consider all of them to be "sub-par" because of an over-propagated reputation, that's just silly. If you have become so captivated by the HK name and think that the true essence of the guns we love is a trademark, well then, my friend, you are only a few steps away from drinking Kool-Aid. Now go back to wearing your HK t-shirt, whittling a block of wood with your HK pocket knife, and drinking coffee out of your HK mug.
As usual you retort with snarky bullshit to make yourself the misunderstood victim - as if your comments were somehow misinterpreted due to "not everyone getting your humor" or some such. Regarding Special weapons, Coharie, or whatever they're calling themselves - I have never seen a gun they built that ran out of the box, nor have I ever heard of one doing same. If you choose to buy them to tinker with and install a sear pack in thats good for you - but it doesn't make you any less of a poser than you were clearly labeling ARKAR as above. I'm no more enamored by the HK brand as any other, but I do own a couple for technical reference and for fun. Oh, and I don't have any HK shirts and rarely drink coffee - but I do have a knife somewhere that was a gift from Jim Schatz many years ago. Now go back to flinging your pony tail and helping those who can't learn from other's experience figure out how to get their Coharie guns to function (which I must say you seem to know alot of good info about). Dog just likes to run his mouth (keyboard) a little too much sometimes, no big deal. I just overlook him most of the time. ARKAR |
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Debate 101 only works on freshmen. You're wasting your energy here. Just like the M-16, a MP5 or MP5K is not subject to one manufacturer. Even the original G3 came from two different companies (H&K and Rhinemetall). Everyone has become so enamoured by H&K's marketing that they believe the name is everything. My remarks and term "poser" wasn't in reference to the wonderous world of H&K brand, but to the actually functionality of a weapon and it's ability to perform as the real deal. Your opinions on Coharie or SW guns, while seemingly popular, reflect nothing more than a general hatred for the maker, thereby rendering your overall statements questionable, at best. I'm sure you've seen a few guns that were suffering from operational issues but to consider all of them to be "sub-par" because of an over-propagated reputation, that's just silly. If you have become so captivated by the HK name and think that the true essence of the guns we love is a trademark, well then, my friend, you are only a few steps away from drinking Kool-Aid. Now go back to wearing your HK t-shirt, whittling a block of wood with your HK pocket knife, and drinking coffee out of your HK mug.
As usual you retort with snarky bullshit to make yourself the misunderstood victim - as if your comments were somehow misinterpreted due to "not everyone getting your humor" or some such. Regarding Special weapons, Coharie, or whatever they're calling themselves - I have never seen a gun they built that ran out of the box, nor have I ever heard of one doing same. If you choose to buy them to tinker with and install a sear pack in thats good for you - but it doesn't make you any less of a poser than you were clearly labeling ARKAR as above. I'm no more enamored by the HK brand as any other, but I do own a couple for technical reference and for fun. Oh, and I don't have any HK shirts and rarely drink coffee - but I do have a knife somewhere that was a gift from Jim Schatz many years ago. Now go back to flinging your pony tail and helping those who can't learn from other's experience figure out how to get their Coharie guns to function (which I must say you seem to know alot of good info about). Dog just likes to run his mouth (keyboard) a little too much sometimes, no big deal. I just overlook him most of the time. ARKAR Yeah, that's probably the most accurate way to put it. And sometimes I actually take a break and read some of the stuff that I write to others and feel like a jackass for getting sucked into situations where I'm insulting gun enthusiasts, just to realize that the liberals are the ones winning at that point. As far as whether to convert or not to convert... I'd say go for it. It's the OP's damn gun and he won't be happy till it's the right kind of gun. After looking at some more of the pictures of UMP conversion, and thinking about .45 caliber fun... I don't see any reason not to. Make it look at bad-ass as possible and take it to the range often. Screw the liberals. |
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