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Posted: 11/25/2008 11:32:19 AM EDT
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After I finish buying my .223 collection. I was thinking of a 308 rifle.
I was first thinking about a FN AR, however I want more of a target / battle rifle. I was reading that the accuracy of the DSA FAL was pretty good, so my question is, which DSA FAL should I get? I got my AKs and my .223 rifles. So I want a battle rifle that can go further then the .223 yet still hit their target. Should I get a 18 or 21 inch barrel and what type would be good for the money? I see them priced for 1000 to 3000 dollars. I am a little confused about the quality or features for the price differences. Thanks for your input. |
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18" Congo.
DSA CONGO I prefer the fixed stock but there is a Congo Folder as well. |
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What he said.
Pros for the FAL, cheap mags, cool history, adjustable piston system, many variants available, at least for a little while longer, folding stock is possible, built-in bipod by design. Cons for the FAL, not a tack-driver (mucho cost for trigger upgrades), the registered part is the upper and headspacing a new barrel isn't very easy without special tools so changing configuration is not an easy option, somewhat expensive for good versions. I have 3 DSA FALs, they're fine pieces of machinery. If you want an FAL you really can't do much better. At this time, a carbine with folding-stock would be my first recommendation before they ban them. Get the heavy barrel stuff later, unless they ban "sniper rifles" too. |
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ok, the DSA STG58STDP Rifle for $1300 or the DSA SA58STDP for $1680?
IS the SA series really worth the extra 400 bucks? Plus, whats the deal with the ammo warning about steel case bullets for the DSA FAL? Isn't this gun designed for brass and steel case bullets? I am going to buy it from Atlantic because they are great people to deal with. thank you for your replys and info. |
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This. I got the Para version and had DSA substitute a steel lower for the aluminum one. Balances is good, recoil is not bad, and muzzle blast is not a problem. |
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I have a full stock 18" and full stock 21" FAL and still say the 18" barrel is the best "all round" barrel length for an MBR. Best comprimise of size, weight, compactness, ballistics, etc. Plus the DSA FAL's have the faster 1:10 barrel twist for a little extra projectile velocity.
If I could only have one MBR, it would be the 18" Para. |
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if you have your .223's and ak47's,
then you want a 21" barrel FAL. I'm guessing [low] weight isn't a requirement and you'll be scoping it and shooting off a bipod so look at dsarms.com site and look into the sa58 with the match barrel and free float tube and steel upper & lower receiver, also get their heavy-duty scope mount. I have a sa58 medium contour i bought almost 10 years ago and am very happy with it, never been able or had time to find a range with more than 100 yds to disprove the "it's a battle rifle = no accuracy" stereotype but mine does just fine with surplus 147gr .308 ammo and it's not their match barrel. that stereotype applies to the fal's built from surplus foreign parts and with shorter barrels. |
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I have a DSA medium contour SS (bbl) as well. Kinda heavy and as others have said, it's not a tack driver. About 3 MOA is the best I've been able to do with it, but that wasn't with match ammo, either. As expensive as the good ammo is, I just can't bring myself to feed it to the FAL. I'd really like to re-barrel it to a lighter 18" bbl and get the gritty trigger worked on.
Battle rifle? Superb. Maybe the best ever. Anything more than that and you're forcing a square peg into a round hole, IMO. |
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ok, the DSA STG58STDP Rifle for $1300 or the DSA SA58STDP for $1680? IS the SA series really worth the extra 400 bucks? In my opinion it's not worth the extra money as you can buy the STG and order the plastic handguard and alloy lower and have parts and cash left over. Older STG rifles were considered to have better barrels but they are the same now. Plus, whats the deal with the ammo warning about steel case bullets for the DSA FAL? Isn't this gun designed for brass and steel case bullets? Many gun makers say not to shoot steel case ammo in their guns, many people do it anyway. Very few have problems but if you do have a problem the maker may not cover it under warranty. I am going to buy it from Atlantic because they are great people to deal with. thank you for your replys and info. |
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If I get the cheapest STG model, it is still a realibile gun? No offense but I have to use my money wisely for the stuff before the ban.
1000 is better then 1600-1900 for an "improved" model. Tell you the truth, I will hardly fire it. I want my childern to inhert something nice from their old man. You know what I mean., Do not get me wrong, FALs are freaken awesome, reason I am buying one, |
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If I get the cheapest STG model, it is still a realibile gun? No offense but I have to use my money wisely for the stuff before the ban. 1000 is better then 1600-1900 for an "improved" model. Tell you the truth, I will hardly fire it. I want my childern to inhert something nice from their old man. You know what I mean., Do not get me wrong, FALs are freaken awesome, reason I am buying one, All I can suggest to you is to buy the most gun you can afford. DSA FAL rifles and carbines are guaranteed to increase in value. STG 58 is good, SA 58 is better. I purchased a new 16.25" SA58 carbine back in 1998. While a handy carbine and quite accurate, I hated the muzzle brake (necessary due to the AW ban that was in effect when DSA started marketing their weapons, but it made a loud carbine even more obnoxious to shoot at the range, and did nothing to improve the handling or effectiveness of a battle rifle) and felt the balance of the rifle was a bit off. So sent it back to DSA earlier this year to have a new 18" Congo barrel installed with a Phantom FH. It is perfect now. Firing from a magazine it shoots about 2 MOA, but single loading it shoots about 1.1MOA. Frankly that's far more accurate then it needs to be. As noted in other posts, DSA weapons are getting very hard to find. If you can locate any available, don't let the price tag stop you. Buy, even if it means you have to lay out that $1600-1900. I promise you, you will not regret it. |
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If I get the cheapest STG model, it is still a realibile gun? No offense but I have to use my money wisely for the stuff before the ban. 1000 is better then 1600-1900 for an "improved" model. Tell you the truth, I will hardly fire it. I want my childern to inhert something nice from their old man. You know what I mean., Do not get me wrong, FALs are freaken awesome, reason I am buying one, Everything I've read indicated the STGs are solid rifles, just not as pretty as the SA58s. As someone else pointed out, maybe the best course of action is to get what's available. If you've got a line on a STG at a shop, take it. You can always send it to DSA or somene else down the line and get it refinished. |
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