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10/25/2011 8:22:22 PM EDT
I have read many posts about 650 mods etc. I have had one 650 since about 1994 which worked perfectly- my OAL is always +/- .0000001, etc. Among other calibers I load .308/7.62x51 to shoot in my Armalite (not DPMS or Les Baer) AR10's, FAL's, HK's, XM-21's, M-40, et al. Am I OK so far?????

I purchased a second 650 last year which was set up for .223/5.56 and started loading with 25 gr. of Win 748 ball powder (load data for historical purposes only- do not use this or any other internet information when loading).

This load fills up to near the neck in Lake City brass. I noticed a couple of powder granules would land on the shellplate as the ram was being lowered. I checked several possible causes and found that the shellplate jumped into position as the ball detent registered into the shellplate pocket. As I watched the new press index I noticed that the shellplate jump was noticable. Compared to it, my old 650 press transitions very smoothly. I tried the bearing and spring mods and still had some powder ejected from the cases.

I then adjusted the indexer block thingy on the press frame, moving it towards the rear of the press. This resolved all problems, and the bearing and spring mods were removed- all is well.

Conclusion: The detent ball pulls the shellplate clockwise away from the indexer pawl, rapidly, if the indexer block is not timed/adjusted properly.

RB, P.E.
10/25/2011 9:10:37 PM EDT
[#1]
Pictures go great with instructions for adjustment. I would like to see oal deviation you describe from my tightest single stage using match dies, match bullets and match brass.

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10/25/2011 9:19:08 PM EDT
[#2]
No Pics- Sorry- and my pre-emptive sarcasm needs to be considered when reading this post.
10/25/2011 9:24:12 PM EDT
[#3]
Aaaahh, sarcasm. No pictures, carry on.

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10/26/2011 1:15:18 AM EDT
[#4]
this thread has been saved from the archives and has some pictures http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/329662_CURE_the_Indexing_Jump_and_Resulting_Powder_Spills_in_Your_650_.html
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