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Posted: 3/12/2011 12:57:03 PM EDT
| True dragunov's were imported for a brief period decades ago. Why, or maybe how, were those imports stopped? |
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I spoke to Saiga at the Shot Shot and the reason why the Tigr is not coming here today in a sporting configeration is an agreement between Russia and the US. The 7.62 x 54R is considered a sniper round. Naturally I asked the question, and the 308 is not? I am certain for every 1 person shot with 54R there are 10k people shot with 7.62 x 39.
Other than being able to shoot cheap surplus in semi auto, I don't see why anyone would want to purchase one other then for Russia history. |
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I spoke to Saiga at the Shot Shot and the reason why the Tigr is not coming here today in a sporting configeration is an agreement between Russia and the US. The 7.62 x 54R is considered a sniper round. Naturally I asked the question, and the 308 is not? I am certain for every 1 person shot with 54R there are 10k people shot with 7.62 x 39. Other than being able to shoot cheap surplus in semi auto, I don't see why anyone would want to purchase one other then for Russia history. I've owned several of the Norinco NDM-86's in .308 and w/168gr match ammo they're incredibly accurate. My best 3-shot CTC group at 100yds using a cheap Russian 8x scope was .24". My best 4-shot group was .44". I did a 3-shot CTC group at 500m that measured 4.5". 20 shots at a 900m std silhouette target (no more than 4 seconds between shots except when reloading) resulted in a 50% hit rate. A 25yr-old copy of a 50yr-old semi-auto design w/chromed bore should *not* be capable of this level of accuracy. If a true lightweight (appx 150gr) match load for the 7.62x54 was available, I wouldn't be surprised if it approached the .308's level of accuracy. Should I ever win the Lottery, at the top of my list is to purchase as many Exc+ .308 NDM-86's as I can lay my hands on. Tomac |
| I have passed on a few good deals for the Chinese NDM rifles. I have decided I want rifles I can shoot often and replace parts if need be. There is no source for new Dragunov barrels when the originals start to wear. Other small parts could present a problem as well. That's why I got into M1A precision rifles. |
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I have passed on a few good deals for the Chinese NDM rifles. I have decided I want rifles I can shoot often and replace parts if need be. There is no source for new Dragunov barrels when the originals start to wear. Other small parts could present a problem as well. That's why I got into M1A precision rifles. The total lack of *any* spare parts is why I reluctantly disposed of my NDM's... 
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I have passed on a few good deals for the Chinese NDM rifles. I have decided I want rifles I can shoot often and replace parts if need be. There is no source for new Dragunov barrels when the originals start to wear. Other small parts could present a problem as well. That's why I got into M1A precision rifles. The total lack of *any* spare parts is why I reluctantly disposed of my NDM's...
Tomac I have bought a few spares for my NDM86. There must be a guy parting a few out because he has parts on GB. These aren't cheap but they are there. |
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I have one and only shot it once. It is way more accurate than the Romanian PSL or Romak-3. BUT has alot more recoil than the PSL.
In fact I've only shot it once because of it. Recoils like a benelli M1super90 with slugs. Not bad just not fun. Trigger is really good though which kinda suprises you considering it is russian. never shot the chinese version or the chinese 308 version, I hear it is good. |
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100 Russian Federation-made Dragunovs were imported in 1994 by KBI, just before the enactment of the AW ban. The Bush import ban did not touch these. There was an arms embargo on the Soviet Union that effected exports of anything made by the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union fell in 1991, but it was a few years before we started to see anything showing "Russian Federation" on it, to which technically there was no arms embargo.
In 1996, the US and Russia agreed to allow trading of "sporting" arms while maintaining banned status on defense articles. This is why sporterized Saiga-12s can come in, but not the SVD. A reconfigured, "sporterized" SVD probably could come in if there was enough interest. |
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100 Russian Federation-made Dragunovs were imported in 1994 by KBI, just before the enactment of the AW ban. The Bush import ban did not touch these. There was an arms embargo on the Soviet Union that effected exports of anything made by the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union fell in 1991, but it was a few years before we started to see anything showing "Russian Federation" on it, to which technically there was no arms embargo. In 1996, the US and Russia agreed to allow trading of "sporting" arms while maintaining banned status on defense articles. This is why sporterized Saiga-12s can come in, but not the SVD. A reconfigured, "sporterized" SVD probably could come in if there was enough interest. To my knowledge these types of rifles can come in, but no one answered why drags. cannot be imported as parts kits, weren't krinks at one point imported as virgin parts kits? |
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I believe drags are also c&r not sure...I wonder if someone could get parts kits of some kind...tigr makes some really cool sporting style rifles if my knowledge serves me correct, I wonder (most likely in vain) if we could get a dealer to get some of these rifles, although at the cost per rifle it would probably end up costing about the same... http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/tigr_h.shtml |
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Watched the entire video, learned alot about the Dragunov. Thanks for posting! |
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