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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Evo vs MPX (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/10/2015 6:58:37 PM EDT
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Laying here with a broken back and wrist has given me time to browse, and browse and browse. Given my newly found free time I have decided to reinvigorate my love of fire arms and shooting. And after some refresher research I stumbled upon the two awesome PCCs. They both look awesome and perform as expected, one costs more, but feels more solid while the other feels like plastic but is lighter and cheaper. Some of the unknowns are the availability of after marker, or even stock items such as magazines and especially the coveted stock-like forearm braces. I have read almost every post about the Evo and the MPX. but what is lacking is a no bullshit answer to the question, "which is better?". it seems that the Evo is much more popular, and is that because of the price-point or is there something else? The MPX appears to have much better ergonomics, so why does it appear to be lagging behind the Evo so much?
Just a guy laying here on my stomach, wondering about this. |
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I have the EVO and love it. I have to admit that price was a huge factor for me.
It seems like everything about the MPX is two to three times the price. The MPX is probably a 'better' firearm. But is it 2 to 3 times better? Not for me. This pistol will be SBR'd as soon as there is some progress on the making issue in this state. Suppressed this thing rocks. |
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Sorry about your back, and welcome to the site. I've had back problems, extraordinarily painful at times, but I can't imagine breaking my back. Good luck.
I have always lusted after the MP5, but have been turned off by the price and the general mishmash of clones and parts suppliers. It's all so confusing and expensive as hell, so it's a hard platform to get into. I was therefore very interested when Sig and CZ released these two pistol caliber carbines. I've never seen or handled the CZ but to me it seems like too much plastic, and too bulky. And if you want to SBR it, you need to satisfy the U.S. parts requirement to convert it into a rifle. For me personally, I could pass on the CZ, but I understand why some might want it. However, I'm all-in with the MPX. I bought one as soon as the prices came down to sane levels and submitted a Form 1 SBR the day I bought it. The MPX is the near-perfect merging of the MP5 and AR15 concepts. I had standardized on the AR15 as my semi-auto rifle platform, so the MPX was the obvious choice if I wanted to add a pistol caliber carbine. It's trite, but completely accurate, to state that the MPX is what would result result if the AR15 and MP5 had a baby. To me, those shared genetics are worth the higher cost of the MPX and dealing with the growing pains of Sig's delayed product release schedule (e.g. Gen 1 vs Gen 2). If the MPX is lagging behind the CZ in popularity (and I don't know for sure that it is), I'd say it's probably due to two months of INSANE early release pricing, higher MSRP, perceived lower supply and some alienation of the market by Sig (lots of people were extremely pissed at the many delays and disappointments along the way to launch). |
| I have a EVO, range buddy has a MPX which I have shot extensively. I like both, they are both fun as hell, well built, accurate, and low recoil. I like the ergonomics of the EVO better, mainly its the MPX charging handle I hate, but I have never been a fan of cramming the ergonomics of a 20" rifle into a pistolish gun. I think it could have been much better if they dared to venture further away from the AR's controls, because honestly its just a 9mm AR without the buffer tube. Another big turnoff of the MPX is the price of mags, which hopefully will improve in the future as I plan of getting one, but $70 for a fucking mag is crazy. EVO mags are getting pretty available at this point, and at $20 they are a damn good deal. The EVO feels very solid, not flimsy at all, very durable tough polymer. Both platforms are not as good a pistols as SBR's obviously. Both platforms went full retard and used non-standard barrel threads, the EVO because european cans use different shit and the MPX because Sig wants you to use their yet to be released cans maybe. See if you can get your hands on both and decide for yourself, because it seems like most people are taking the PC vs MAC or Android vs Apple fanboy approach and praising one and shitting on the other, when the reality is they are both solid, wellbuilt, and fun on the bun platforms. |
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I have a EVO, range buddy has a MPX which I have shot extensively. I like both, they are both fun as hell, well built, accurate, and low recoil. I like the ergonomics of the EVO better, mainly its the MPX charging handle I hate, but I have never been a fan of cramming the ergonomics of a 20" rifle into a pistolish gun. I think it could have been much better if they dared to venture further away from the AR's controls, because honestly its just a 9mm AR without the buffer tube. Another big turnoff of the MPX is the price of mags, which hopefully will improve in the future as I plan of getting one, but $70 for a fucking mag is crazy. EVO mags are getting pretty available at this point, and at $20 they are a damn good deal. The EVO feels very solid, not flimsy at all, very durable tough polymer. Both platforms are not as good a pistols as SBR's obviously. Both platforms went full retard and used non-standard barrel threads, the EVO because european cans use different shit and the MPX because Sig wants you to use their yet to be released cans maybe. See if you can get your hands on both and decide for yourself, because it seems like most people are taking the PC vs MAC or Android vs Apple fanboy approach and praising one and shitting on the other, when the reality is they are both solid, wellbuilt, and fun on the bun platforms. You have the ability to mount any can you want on the mpx. It takes a 13.5X1LHM pitch. The only thing I had to do was order the corresponding XL piston and barrel spacer for my osprey which now resides on my mpx |
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I was open to both/either.
I wanted something that was reliable and could be used in a serious role if need be, but was still priced in the "fun gun" category. The CZ fit the bill, the MPX was simply priced out of its own league. I have been pleasantly surprised by the CZ. Reliable, accurate, solid, and very unique. |
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I own the EVO and love it.
I like most of the things about the MPX and probably will own one one day. The reason I went EVO first is the side charging/slap charge (it's just fun) over the rear charging handle. Also, the $20 vs $70 magazines. I know the MPX mags are better built but I don't like having to spend three times as much on one. Also, not a huge fan of the MPX FCG issues. I love the idea of compatibility with AR parts but with the warranty issues of using a non Sig FCG and the proprietary charging handle, it kind of killed that aspect for me. Like I said, I'd still like to own an MPX one day, but it's not exactly as great as I was hoping it would be for that price point. |
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Also, not a huge fan of the MPX FCG issues. I love the idea of compatibility with AR parts but with the warranty issues of using a non Sig FCG and the proprietary charging handle, it kind of killed that aspect for me. Wait so they nuke your warranty if you use a different FCG? Yikes. Was there ever any update on Sigs statement about the possibility of different generations of the MPX and if this 1st gen one would ever get multiple calibers or other features that were dropped in order to get it to market? |
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Wait so they nuke your warranty if you use a different FCG? Yikes. Was there ever any update on Sigs statement about the possibility of different generations of the MPX and if this 1st gen one would ever get multiple calibers or other features that were dropped in order to get it to market? Quoted:
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Also, not a huge fan of the MPX FCG issues. I love the idea of compatibility with AR parts but with the warranty issues of using a non Sig FCG and the proprietary charging handle, it kind of killed that aspect for me. Wait so they nuke your warranty if you use a different FCG? Yikes. Was there ever any update on Sigs statement about the possibility of different generations of the MPX and if this 1st gen one would ever get multiple calibers or other features that were dropped in order to get it to market? From what I read, Sig will not warranty the gun of the trigger bridge is removed. Alternate AR trigger groups will not function properly with the bridge installed on them. This is just what I've read, mind you, but it's slowed me from picking an MPX up since much of its appeal to me is AR parts compatibility. |
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From what I read, Sig will not warranty the gun of the trigger bridge is removed. Alternate AR trigger groups will not function properly with the bridge installed on them. This is just what I've read, mind you, but it's slowed me from picking an MPX up since much of its appeal to me is AR parts compatibility. Quoted:
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Also, not a huge fan of the MPX FCG issues. I love the idea of compatibility with AR parts but with the warranty issues of using a non Sig FCG and the proprietary charging handle, it kind of killed that aspect for me. Wait so they nuke your warranty if you use a different FCG? Yikes. Was there ever any update on Sigs statement about the possibility of different generations of the MPX and if this 1st gen one would ever get multiple calibers or other features that were dropped in order to get it to market? From what I read, Sig will not warranty the gun of the trigger bridge is removed. Alternate AR trigger groups will not function properly with the bridge installed on them. This is just what I've read, mind you, but it's slowed me from picking an MPX up since much of its appeal to me is AR parts compatibility. Reinstall it if you have a problem? I love my MPX, just waiting on my telestock to get here. Got my F1 approved a couple of weeks ago. 
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| Both are great. I have the Evo mainly due to availability. I was waiting for the MPX but was offered a great deal on an Evo so I took it. I'm glad I did as I have been VERY happy with it. I may add an MPX to the stable down the road, but the Evo more that satisfies my needs. Also, can't beat the $20 mags! |
| I got an Evo over a month ago for a great deal. Wanted an MPX or MKE MP5k but I'd end up spending over $2k for an SBR range toy after NFA tax and stock. The Evo shoots decently well without a stock but my SBR paperwork filed 30days ago so I can get the stock! I ordered a safety delete today as well since the right Ambi safety can get a bit uncomfortable. |
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I got an Evo over a month ago for a great deal. Wanted an MPX or MKE MP5k but I'd end up spending over $2k for an SBR range toy after NFA tax and stock. The Evo shoots decently well without a stock but my SBR paperwork filed 30days ago so I can get the stock! I ordered a safety delete today as well since the right Ambi safety can get a bit uncomfortable. Safety does suck but I'll say it's a non-issue for me with a stock. As a pistol the weight of the gun makes your hand ride higher on the grip, putting your trigger finger tight against the safety. Shooting with the stock alleviates this problem for me. YMMV. |
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The mags cost lots, but do not break, the weapon is not plastic. CZ even calls the EVO "Their PLASTIC gun" I just dont get the hate for modern polymer guns. There are tens, if not hundreds of millions of Glocks and other polymer framed guns that are exceptionally durable and reliable. The most popular and most reliable AR magazines are polymer. The argument against "plastic" guns falls on its face every time its brought up if you can understand basic materials design. |
| I have yet to shoot an EVO, but I have held one. I've put about 500-700 rounds through my MPX; I picked it up from Sig's first shipment to my area. I love it and the ergonomics are top notch. It is everything I wished for in a PCC. I was saving my cash for a MP5, but once I held the MPX, I couldn't turn it down. The gun is very accurate and the recoil is mild. It is more expensive, but you got to pay to play. I'm awaiting my form 1 to be approved for the MPX -- I figure once I get the telescoping stock installed, it will be my go to firearm. And it sounds great suppressed! |
Got both the evo, and mpx, also a Kriss, mp5 clone, and a uzi.... Love them All...but four of them sit in the safe as I run the hell out of my Mpx... This is my first sig rifle and I was a little skeptical at first just do to some buddies experiences with sig.... But so far the gun has wowed me and sigs customer service and tech staff have been amazing.... Mpx all the way...
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| I have both, but if pushed would now choose the MPx. To me, the ergonomic are familiar and fit my hand well. The Evo is fun, but everything is angular and canted, which takes some getting used to. Of all my PCCs, I still prefer the B&T with the MPx/Kriss tied for a close second followed by my Uzi Model A and then the Evo. I. Terms of quality and reliability, I can't fault either gun and would trust both. As an aside, I filed my Form 1 as soon as I got my MPx; still thinking about he Evo. |
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I have both, but if pushed would now choose the MPx. To me, the ergonomic are familiar and fit my hand well. The Evo is fun, but everything is angular and canted, which takes some getting used to. Of all my PCCs, I still prefer the B&T with the MPx/Kriss tied for a close second followed by my Uzi Model A and then the Evo. I. Terms of quality and reliability, I can't fault either gun and would trust both. As an aside, I filed my Form 1 as soon as I got my MPx; still thinking about he Evo. Which B&T do you have/have you used? They have caught my eye. I currently use an AR based 9mm SBR an a MP5 sbr and interested in the Evo and the B&T offerings. I can't justify the sig cost when to me it's too similar to the 9mm SBR I have. |
| I did the research on both and ended up with the MPX. I slapped my Gemtech multi-mount on it and ran about 150 rounds of 115gr and 124gr. through it without a hitch. My only issue is that the POI was really low. I adjusted the front sight post all the way down and the POI is still a bit low. I don't think the can would cause that much of a POI issue. |
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I just dont get the hate for modern polymer guns. There are tens, if not hundreds of millions of Glocks and other polymer framed guns that are exceptionally durable and reliable. The most popular and most reliable AR magazines are polymer. The argument against "plastic" guns falls on its face every time its brought up if you can understand basic materials design. Quoted:
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The mags cost lots, but do not break, the weapon is not plastic. CZ even calls the EVO "Their PLASTIC gun" I just dont get the hate for modern polymer guns. There are tens, if not hundreds of millions of Glocks and other polymer framed guns that are exceptionally durable and reliable. The most popular and most reliable AR magazines are polymer. The argument against "plastic" guns falls on its face every time its brought up if you can understand basic materials design. There has already been a couple EVO's that have blown up and the guns were ruined. That's a deciding factor for a lot of people since they are begging to be SBR'd. You can't really compare them to a Glock. |
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I was originally super pumped for the MPX, but the more I looked at it, the more obvious it's just an over-complicated 9mm AR. I myself do not like AR's, I don't like the ergos(particularly the charging handle, IMO the worst one ever made), and an AR in 9mm does not need an expensive and complicated gas system. In the MPX price range I think an MP5 clone is even a superior option. The MPX is great for people who are so used to the AR they can't or don't want to adapt to anything else, but other than that I don't see much to it. The gas system makes it a softer shooter than the EVO for sure. But it's 9mm, so that's not too huge of a deal for anyone over 7 years old anyway, even less so suppressed, as I mostly shoot now. And for the price, I'll take 2 EVO's over 1 MPX.
If you like the AR, get the MPX, because that's what it is. If you want something different, look at Evo. But if you have MPX money and want something different, looks at the Vector also. My SBR Vector is far and away my favorite and most fun gun to shoot from everything I own, let alone just PCC's. |
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I did the research on both and ended up with the MPX. I slapped my Gemtech multi-mount on it and ran about 150 rounds of 115gr and 124gr. through it without a hitch. My only issue is that the POI was really low. I adjusted the front sight post all the way down and the POI is still a bit low. I don't think the can would cause that much of a POI issue. I have an Osprey9, MPX ran well suppressed? Only thing I'm worried about. |
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There has already been a couple EVO's that have blown up and the guns were ruined. That's a deciding factor for a lot of people since they are begging to be SBR'd. You can't really compare them to a Glock. Quoted:
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The mags cost lots, but do not break, the weapon is not plastic. CZ even calls the EVO "Their PLASTIC gun" I just dont get the hate for modern polymer guns. There are tens, if not hundreds of millions of Glocks and other polymer framed guns that are exceptionally durable and reliable. The most popular and most reliable AR magazines are polymer. The argument against "plastic" guns falls on its face every time its brought up if you can understand basic materials design. There has already been a couple EVO's that have blown up and the guns were ruined. That's a deciding factor for a lot of people since they are begging to be SBR'd. You can't really compare them to a Glock. far more glocks have blown up than EVO's, also note that in the what maybe 4 instances in which an evo has had a blow out, it sounds like either reloads or poor quality aluminum cased range ammo was used. |
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I have the EVO and love it. I have to admit that price was a huge factor for me. It seems like everything about the MPX is two to three times the price. The MPX is probably a 'better' firearm. But is it 2 to 3 times better? Not for me. This pistol will be SBR'd as soon as there is some progress on the making issue in this state. Suppressed this thing rocks. But will it happen before 41p drops? |
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I have the EVO and love it. I have to admit that price was a huge factor for me. It seems like everything about the MPX is two to three times the price. The MPX is probably a 'better' firearm. But is it 2 to 3 times better? Not for me. This pistol will be SBR'd as soon as there is some progress on the making issue in this state. Suppressed this thing rocks. But will it happen before 41p drops? I had a SOT form 2 it and the form 4 has been submitted. Hopefully it'll be a very merry Xmas! |
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Which B&T do you have/have you used? They have caught my eye. I currently use an AR based 9mm SBR an a MP5 sbr and interested in the Evo and the B&T offerings. I can't justify the sig cost when to me it's too similar to the 9mm SBR I have. Quoted:
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I have both, but if pushed would now choose the MPx. To me, the ergonomic are familiar and fit my hand well. The Evo is fun, but everything is angular and canted, which takes some getting used to. Of all my PCCs, I still prefer the B&T with the MPx/Kriss tied for a close second followed by my Uzi Model A and then the Evo. I. Terms of quality and reliability, I can't fault either gun and would trust both. As an aside, I filed my Form 1 as soon as I got my MPx; still thinking about he Evo. Which B&T do you have/have you used? They have caught my eye. I currently use an AR based 9mm SBR an a MP5 sbr and interested in the Evo and the B&T offerings. I can't justify the sig cost when to me it's too similar to the 9mm SBR I have. Sorry for the late reply; I own two B&T TP9s. I like them allot, but would not buy the new version at the current price point. I paid $800 each for mine and, for than, I'm happy with them (especially because mine have the fully threaded barrel shrouds). I think that if you're looking at a sub-$1K gun, stick with the Uzi Pro or CZ Scorpion; the B&Ts are too damn expensive at their current price. |
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Which one suppresses better? Sound and blowback? The scorpion wins in the blowback department and the Sig wins in the sound. not being smart, but do you have a source? |
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Which one suppresses better? Sound and blowback? The scorpion wins in the blowback department and the Sig wins in the sound. Interesting, I figured the short stroke system would have less blowback. |
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Which one suppresses better? Sound and blowback? The scorpion wins in the blowback department and the Sig wins in the sound. Interesting, I figured the short stroke system would have less blowback. There's going to be gasses in the upper receiver on either weapon. The difference is the Scorpion doesn't have a hole right in your face where gasses will vent out. The MPX, since it uses an AR style rear charging handle does. |
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Which one suppresses better? Sound and blowback? The scorpion wins in the blowback department and the Sig wins in the sound. Interesting, I figured the short stroke system would have less blowback. Check out MAC's side by side comparison of a suppressed EVO and MPX. He, and another shooting partner, both had a hard time with shooting a single magazine in the MPX due to blowback. The barrel screws also came lose on the MPX. EVO was noticeably better with respect to blowback. [youtube]https://youtu.be/sS0rEazh1kI[youtube] ETA: My embed-fu is lacking. Maybe one of you guys can fix. |
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I love the MPX but I don't think SIG is supporting the product at all.
Magazines are not available to the General Public and the Sliding Stock is Vaporware. No use buying it for an SBR if they aren't going to provide those accessories you will need to build one. I'd hold off to see if they get their act together. My two cents. I'm having buyers remorse. |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Evo vs MPX (Page 1 of 2)
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