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Posted: 11/19/2008 1:10:47 PM EDT
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Scar 16 & 17 that is what FN has it advertised on their website describing it as the closest thing to the Socom weapon without enlisting. So will we see this weapon and I know it will be costly. Should you get a current piston system that is out currently that is under 2K such as LMT, LWRC or POF. I am not talking about those conversion piston system I am looking at the complete weapon package.
If it is released, I see in other forums the estimated price is around $2700.00 but will these dealers or FFL holders jack up the price due to the current fright of a weapons ban. Tell me is it worth it for the FN Scar and wait or buy now the current AR rifles DI or Piston 
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Our Belgian friends at FN think that they can charge a "awesomeness premium" on their products. Unfortunately for us, they have an inflated opinion of their own awesomeness.
For that reason, FN can take their 2700 dollar cross between a carp and a Timberland boot and shove it up their arse. |
| I got an FN2000 at a good price and I love it. FN does make good stuff. That price, however, is bullshit. FN is trying to recoup development costs and/or the cost of pricing competitively for contracts. Most manufacturers that sell to both private sector and LE/Mil do this, but some (cough cough HK cough) are worse than others. |
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fvck that, i'll wait for the Masada and almost get 2 for that BS price. FVCK FN and HK. think they can jack their prices up cause they think their weapons are the re-incarnations of baby jeebus himself SCAR predicted price: $1500-1800 Masada predicted price: $1400-1700 SCAR actual price: $2,700 Masada actual price (if it is even ever available for civvies): ??? |
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fvck that, i'll wait for the Masada and almost get 2 for that BS price. FVCK FN and HK. think they can jack their prices up cause they think their weapons are the re-incarnations of baby jeebus himself Have fun waiting because you will be waiting all the way to AWB ver2. The ACR will not be out in 2009 and probably not 2010. |
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LIL COMMANDO,
The price is what it is, a $2700 MSRP. If you talk to your dealer and get a preorder, you can save a couple hundred off the MSRP. If you wait, I already know of a couple dealers planning to put their "preorder" on sites like Gun Broker for $4000. As to SCAR vs Gas piston AR, I have shot gas piston AR's yet keep to my di AR's. I have no interest in a gas piston AR, but then again, I already have di AR's. I have other gas piston rifles that fill that niche, and I am just looking to add another carbine that's unique. If I didn't own any AR's, and wanted a gas piston carbine, I would probably get the gas piston AR if it were my only rifle. Quoted:
I cannot imagine what makes the scar 3x more expensive than an AR-15, besides hype. Last time I added up a quality gas pas AR with a nice stock and irons, it was literally right in the ball park of the SCAR MSRP. Quoted:
fvck that, i'll wait for the Masada and almost get 2 for that BS price. FVCK FN and HK. think they can jack their prices up cause they think their weapons are the re-incarnations of baby jeebus himself No, you can't get 2 Masada's for the price of one SCAR. Actually, you can't get a Masada (ACR) at all. Quoted:
I got an FN2000 at a good price and I love it. FN does make good stuff. That price, however, is bullshit. FN is trying to recoup development costs and/or the cost of pricing competitively for contracts. Most manufacturers that sell to both private sector and LE/Mil do this, but some (cough cough HK cough) are worse than others. I guess it depends what you paid for your FS2000, but I paid right under $2100 for my FS2000 Standard. I paid literally a couple hundred more for the SCAR, which provides many more features in an entirely different platform. |
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I have several DI rifles and have been considering a gas piston and with all of us price is a issue. But when I look at my Colt rifles and what the cost was including accessories it came to be over $2700.00. Now after reviewing the information available on the piston rifles I like the Colt 1020 but thats not happening nor the HK 416. FN!, now thats a rifle with alot of information and video and there are people who were able to shoot it at FN demos. FN is up to the fourth generation of the Scar L and have put a lot of rounds through their rifles to help with improvements. I believe a FN rep. said they have shot 800k through the generations of the Scar. I have decided when the Scar L is available I will be purchasing this rifle and hopefuly a weapons ban does not disrupt FN's plans to move forward for the civilian market.  |
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As stated, your best bet is to get a pre-order in on one right now, otherwise you are going to pay WAY more than the MSRP.
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I have several DI rifles and have been considering a gas piston and with all of us price is a issue. But when I look at my Colt rifles and what the cost was including accessories it came to be over $2700.00. Now after reviewing the information available on the piston rifles I like the Colt 1020 but thats not happening nor the HK 416. FN!, now thats a rifle with alot of information and video and there are people who were able to shoot it at FN demos. FN is up to the fourth generation of the Scar L and have put a lot of rounds through their rifles to help with improvements. I believe a FN rep. said they have shot 800k through the generations of the Scar.
I have decided when the Scar L is available I will be purchasing this rifle and hopefuly a weapons ban does not disrupt FN's plans to move forward for the civilian market.
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Colt 6920 - $1595 MSRP
Daniel Defense Lite 7.0 - $279 MSRP Troy Industries Front and Rear BUIS - $250 MSRP Total MSRP is $2124 Are you guys honestly telling that an extra $500 for a rifle that has never been produced, uses more advanced material (the material the bolt is made of coasts 3X what an M16A4 bolt costs), and has more advanced features (folding/adjustable stock, adjustable gas piston, true monolithic top rail) isn't worth it? Fine; more for me... Stephen |
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Are you guys honestly telling that an extra $500 for a rifle that has never been produced, uses more advanced material (the material the bolt is made of coasts 3X what an M16A4 bolt costs), and has more advanced features (folding/adjustable stock, adjustable gas piston, true monolithic top rail) isn't worth it? Yes. 
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Are you guys honestly telling that an extra $500 for a rifle that has never been produced, uses more advanced material (the material the bolt is made of coasts 3X what an M16A4 bolt costs), and has more advanced features (folding/adjustable stock, adjustable gas piston, true monolithic top rail) isn't worth it? Yes. 
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To anyone like me that is/was waiting on the bushmaster acr/masada,it looks like its not going to materialize. this is the latest from the bushmaster website ; 2009 ACR Availability;
The ACR is being redesigned to be a superior offering to compete for the next generation US Army infantry carbine and subcompact weapon requirement and will be available to select customers in 2009. If this is the case, this sucks.so many thought it was coming,now i dont think we will ever see a civilian version of it.i thought i'd go for the scar as second choice, but 2700.00?  back to rocks & slingshots.....
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I'll get an AR and a SCAR :P
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most of the people who bash it either cant afford it or have not shot it. i got to shoot a full auto one at the aac suppressed shoot. its just aswome. Oh I can afford it, I just don't think it's worth the money. And anything shot on full-auto and suppressed will make one wet their pants.
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i own about a dozen class 3 wepons so i am not easily impressed. Firstly, there is no such thing as a class 3 firearm. Guns are either title-1 (not regulated by the National Firearms Act) or title-2 (regulated by the NFA). Holders of a type 01 Federal Firearms License who pay the Special Occupational Tax (SOT) are designated as Class 3 dealers. Type 07 FFLs who pay the SOT are designated as Class 2 manufacturers. Again, Class 3 refers to a type of firearm DEALER, not the firearm itself. What does owning multiple title-2 firearms have to do with being impressed by the SCAR? |
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i own about a dozen class 3 wepons so i am not easily impressed. Firstly, there is no such thing as a class 3 firearm. Guns are either title-1 (not regulated by the National Firearms Act) or title-2 (regulated by the NFA). Holders of a type 01 Federal Firearms License who pay the Special Occupational Tax (SOT) are designated as Class 3 dealers. Type 07 FFLs who pay the SOT are designated as Class 2 manufacturers. Again, Class 3 refers to a type of firearm DEALER, not the firearm itself. What does owning multiple title-2 firearms have to do with being impressed by the SCAR? While you are correct, "Class 3" has definitely taken on the colloquial meaning of the firearms themselves. Like it or not I think that term is here to stay. |
| i not the average loser on here who is impressed by some junk ar was what i was getting at. most of you guy on this forumsit around bashing anything but your 600 bushmaster. by the way wholesale for bottom tier dealer. is only 2125 so i think you local dealer is trying to bend you over. |
| Most of YOU can go fuck yourself until you drop the elitist attitude and get with the program, buddy. You are too new here to know that there is actually quite a large constituency here that is looking for new technology, etc. While most of "us" are content with our ARs, we're not so enthralled by them that we don't experience other platforms. |
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Scar 16 & 17 that is what FN has it advertised on their website describing it as the closest thing to the Socom weapon without enlisting. So will we see this weapon and I know it will be costly. Should you get a current piston system that is out currently that is under 2K such as LMT, LWRC or POF. I am not talking about those conversion piston system I am looking at the complete weapon package. If it is released, I see in other forums the estimated price is around $2700.00 but will these dealers or FFL holders jack up the price due to the current fright of a weapons ban. Tell me is it worth it for the FN Scar and wait or buy now the current AR rifles DI or Piston
It depends on the following: 1. If they offer conversion kits to go from the 16 to the 17 (SCAR L to SCAR H or MK16 to MK17) so that you don't have to buy a whole seperate rifle at the full cost. 2. If they make various other parts available, which they don't do right now. 3. If they can make 1 and 2 happen before DAMN OBAMA (I hate that guy) and the Dems go after the AWB. Sort of a gamble right now. Big PAY OUT if you win, but even if you lose you end up with a damn fine rifle that just cost you a lot more than you should have paid. I'd much rather have the SCAR then the POF or LWRC, but that's primarily because of the modularity and quick barrel change. If I can't buy extra barrels from FNH and can't purchase conversion kits then that kind of evens out the playing field with existing gas piston rifles. I'd say if you don't want to gamble and want a "SCAR like" rifle with the caliber modularity it's pretty hard to beat the XCR right now. They don't have their 7.62 NATO out yet though, but if they can bring that forward soon then suddenly you've got a pretty nice rifle that can do what the SCAR does for a $1000 less. That's pretty damn tempting. |
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To anyone like me that is/was waiting on the bushmaster acr/masada,it looks like its not going to materialize. this is the latest from the bushmaster website ; 2009 ACR Availability; The ACR is being redesigned to be a superior offering to compete for the next generation US Army infantry carbine and subcompact weapon requirement and will be available to select customers in 2009. If this is the case, this sucks.so many thought it was coming,now i dont think we will ever see a civilian version of it.i thought i'd go for the scar as second choice, but 2700.00? back to rocks & slingshots.....
Yeah, if you've got money set aside for the ACR spend it. It's going to be at least a full year if ever before it comes out folks. |
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i own about a dozen class 3 wepons so i am not easily impressed. Sweet, how about some pics then? come to st louis we will go shoot. going by your screen name i think you will be impressed. bought them about 14years ago when they were cheap. when mp5s were 2400. oh the good old days. |
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Scar 16 & 17 that is what FN has it advertised on their website describing it as the closest thing to the Socom weapon without enlisting. So will we see this weapon and I know it will be costly. Should you get a current piston system that is out currently that is under 2K such as LMT, LWRC or POF. I am not talking about those conversion piston system I am looking at the complete weapon package. If it is released, I see in other forums the estimated price is around $2700.00 but will these dealers or FFL holders jack up the price due to the current fright of a weapons ban. Tell me is it worth it for the FN Scar and wait or buy now the current AR rifles DI or Piston
It depends on the following: 1. If they offer conversion kits to go from the 16 to the 17 (SCAR L to SCAR H or MK16 to MK17) so that you don't have to buy a whole seperate rifle at the full cost. 2. If they make various other parts available, which they don't do right now. 3. If they can make 1 and 2 happen before DAMN OBAMA (I hate that guy) and the Dems go after the AWB. Sort of a gamble right now. Big PAY OUT if you win, but even if you lose you end up with a damn fine rifle that just cost you a lot more than you should have paid. I'd much rather have the SCAR then the POF or LWRC, but that's primarily because of the modularity and quick barrel change. If I can't buy extra barrels from FNH and can't purchase conversion kits then that kind of evens out the playing field with existing gas piston rifles. I'd say if you don't want to gamble and want a "SCAR like" rifle with the caliber modularity it's pretty hard to beat the XCR right now. They don't have their 7.62 NATO out yet though, but if they can bring that forward soon then suddenly you've got a pretty nice rifle that can do what the SCAR does for a $1000 less. That's pretty damn tempting. I'm curious, so how would they go about making the SCAR L and H interchangeable with each other, with what they already have? |
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Quoted:I'm curious, so how would they go about making the SCAR L and H interchangeable with each other, with what they already have?
Well, they've made the 5.56NATO SCAR L (MK16) interchangeable already with 82% part commonality with the 7.62NATO SCAR H (MK17). Now they couldn't do this right away, because they haven't yet run through production cycles of both the civilian SCAR L and SCAR H, BUT after they've gone through both production runs they could start to produce "coversion kits" similiar to what Robinson Arms offers for their XCR. http://www.robarm.com/products.asp?cat=23 Now you'll notice that if you already own the Robinson Arms XCR L (About $1,400) in 5.56NATO you can purchase a 7.62x39 conversion kit for around $549.00. Now they're selling those parts that you need and that's it so you end up spending far less then you would if you purchased a whole second rifle. Now obviously FNH doesn't sell rifles direct. However, they could make the caliber conversion kits available for purchase through FN stocking dealers. I think that the modularity of the SCAR, XCR, and hopefully someday the ACR are what set them apart from other gas piston rifles like the POF or LWRC. However, if I don't have that ability with the SCAR to save money and convert calibers with just one tool and little skill (no help from an armorer) then suddenly the advantage of it over say a POF and LWRC disappear all things being equal (accuracy, reliability, and so forth being equal). I like toolless or operator level modularity. I will really like it if that is possible with the SCAR or if the 7.62 NATO XCR comes out. Being able to have a rifle in 5.56NATO for home defense and then being able to switch it to 7.62NATO for hunting or other application for much less than the cost of two seperate rifles is pretty attractive. |
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As with the XCR (I happen to own one, great rifle BTW), the XCR that we currently have...the XCR-L, is a completely different platform than the XCR-M which is under development. There will be some parts interchangeability between the two, but it will be much like what the MK16 and 17 are. They use different lowers (different mag well sizes), so the common parts between the two would be left to smaller parts (which is great in and of it's own). But the major components will not be able to swap.
They use different lowers, so it's not as though you could just make the two a modular platform. In other words, the 7.62 NATO and 5.56 NATO main components are not interchangeable between either platform (the XCR-L and XCR-M, and the SCAR-L (MK16) and the SCAR-H (MK17). I get what you are saying, it just doesn't work like that. The 82% common parts are adding up every small part, which again, is great, but it doesn't mean that you can just make an MK16 fire 7.62 NATO, just like you won't be able to get the XCR-L to shoot 7.62 NATO. You will need to own both platforms to achieve this, and say, if a fire control part breaks, you would be able to switch them from one rifle to the other (where I'm assuming a portion of the 82% parts commonality comes from). Quoted:
Quoted:I'm curious, so how would they go about making the SCAR L and H interchangeable with each other, with what they already have?
Well, they've made the 5.56NATO SCAR L (MK16) interchangeable already with 82% part commonality with the 7.62NATO SCAR H (MK17). Now they couldn't do this right away, because they haven't yet run through production cycles of both the civilian SCAR L and SCAR H, BUT after they've gone through both production runs they could start to produce "coversion kits" similiar to what Robinson Arms offers for their XCR. http://www.robarm.com/products.asp?cat=23 Now you'll notice that if you already own the Robinson Arms XCR L (About $1,400) in 5.56NATO you can purchase a 7.62x39 conversion kit for around $549.00. Now they're selling those parts that you need and that's it so you end up spending far less then you would if you purchased a whole second rifle. Now obviously FNH doesn't sell rifles direct. However, they could make the caliber conversion kits available for purchase through FN stocking dealers. I think that the modularity of the SCAR, XCR, and hopefully someday the ACR are what set them apart from other gas piston rifles like the POF or LWRC. However, if I don't have that ability with the SCAR to save money and convert calibers with just one tool and little skill (no help from an armorer) then suddenly the advantage of it over say a POF and LWRC disappear all things being equal (accuracy, reliability, and so forth being equal). I like toolless or operator level modularity. I will really like it if that is possible with the SCAR or if the 7.62 NATO XCR comes out. Being able to have a rifle in 5.56NATO for home defense and then being able to switch it to 7.62NATO for hunting or other application for much less than the cost of two seperate rifles is pretty attractive. |
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As with the XCR (I happen to own one, great rifle BTW), the XCR that we currently have...the XCR-L, is a completely different platform than the XCR-M which is under development. There will be some parts interchangeability between the two, but it will be much like what the MK16 and 17 are. They use different lowers (different mag well sizes), so the common parts between the two would be left to smaller parts (which is great in and of it's own). But the major components will not be able to swap. They use different lowers, so it's not as though you could just make the two a modular platform. In other words, the 7.62 NATO and 5.56 NATO main components are not interchangeable between either platform (the XCR-L and XCR-M, and the SCAR-L (MK16) and the SCAR-H (MK17). I get what you are saying, it just doesn't work like that. The 82% common parts are adding up every small part, which again, is great, but it doesn't mean that you can just make an MK16 fire 7.62 NATO, just like you won't be able to get the XCR-L to shoot 7.62 NATO. You will need to own both platforms to achieve this, and say, if a fire control part breaks, you would be able to switch them from one rifle to the other (where I'm assuming a portion of the 82% parts commonality comes from). So what? The point being that you don't have to purchase a whole new rifle. They could make the different parts available for less than the cost of an entire new rifle. Saving the consumer who is interested in both platforms. Those polymer parts and various other bits and pieces do add up in price. Any price break possible through a conversion option made available is a positive and a selling point. Put all that aside though if I can't get extra barrels through FNH for the SCAR what good does the "quick change" barrel option do for me really? Again if you take the modularity component away from the SCAR by taking away the availability of barrels or conversion kits the field starts to narrow between it and other piston rifles. |
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As with the XCR (I happen to own one, great rifle BTW), the XCR that we currently have...the XCR-L, is a completely different platform than the XCR-M which is under development. There will be some parts interchangeability between the two, but it will be much like what the MK16 and 17 are. They use different lowers (different mag well sizes), so the common parts between the two would be left to smaller parts (which is great in and of it's own). But the major components will not be able to swap. They use different lowers, so it's not as though you could just make the two a modular platform. In other words, the 7.62 NATO and 5.56 NATO main components are not interchangeable between either platform (the XCR-L and XCR-M, and the SCAR-L (MK16) and the SCAR-H (MK17). I get what you are saying, it just doesn't work like that. The 82% common parts are adding up every small part, which again, is great, but it doesn't mean that you can just make an MK16 fire 7.62 NATO, just like you won't be able to get the XCR-L to shoot 7.62 NATO. You will need to own both platforms to achieve this, and say, if a fire control part breaks, you would be able to switch them from one rifle to the other (where I'm assuming a portion of the 82% parts commonality comes from). So what? The point being that you don't have to purchase a whole new rifle. They could make the different parts available for less than the cost of an entire new rifle. Saving the consumer who is interested in both platforms. Those polymer parts and various other bits and pieces do add up in price. Any price break possible through a conversion option made available is a positive and a selling point. Put all that aside though if I can't get extra barrels through FNH for the SCAR what good does the "quick change" barrel option do for me really? Again if you take the modularity component away from the SCAR by taking away the availability of barrels or conversion kits the field starts to narrow between it and other piston rifles. Point being, that's not the intent. The intent is to have two different platforms, which in worst case scenario of parts breakage, you can interchange the SMALL parts, NOT major components. The quick change barrel does nothing for me though, I don't plan on shooting 50,000 rounds down range anyway. With the SCAR, you are getting reliability and ergonomics, two major components to a good modern battle rifle. Your idea of allowing the MK16 and MK17 to be interchangeable so that people like you don't have to buy an ENTIRELY new rifle is not the intention. The SMALL parts commonality between the MK16 and MK17 is a last resort and manufacturing advantage, not "your" intention. There will be no "conversion" kit to go from the MK16 to the MK17. Could the MK16 possibly have conversion kits for 6.8, 6.5, and 7.62x39 like the XCR? Absolutely. But there is no intention of having "conversion kit" to go from XCR-L to XCR-M, just as there is no intention of going from the MK16 to MK17. I'm just saying that your thoughts on what should be, and what is reality, are completely different. They are two different platforms that use the same small parts. It's the same idea of the AR15 and AR10 parts commonality, only it "should" be slightly more widespread throughout the gun. |
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As with the XCR (I happen to own one, great rifle BTW), the XCR that we currently have...the XCR-L, is a completely different platform than the XCR-M which is under development. There will be some parts interchangeability between the two, but it will be much like what the MK16 and 17 are. They use different lowers (different mag well sizes), so the common parts between the two would be left to smaller parts (which is great in and of it's own). But the major components will not be able to swap. They use different lowers, so it's not as though you could just make the two a modular platform. In other words, the 7.62 NATO and 5.56 NATO main components are not interchangeable between either platform (the XCR-L and XCR-M, and the SCAR-L (MK16) and the SCAR-H (MK17). I get what you are saying, it just doesn't work like that. The 82% common parts are adding up every small part, which again, is great, but it doesn't mean that you can just make an MK16 fire 7.62 NATO, just like you won't be able to get the XCR-L to shoot 7.62 NATO. You will need to own both platforms to achieve this, and say, if a fire control part breaks, you would be able to switch them from one rifle to the other (where I'm assuming a portion of the 82% parts commonality comes from). So what? The point being that you don't have to purchase a whole new rifle. They could make the different parts available for less than the cost of an entire new rifle. Saving the consumer who is interested in both platforms. Those polymer parts and various other bits and pieces do add up in price. Any price break possible through a conversion option made available is a positive and a selling point. Put all that aside though if I can't get extra barrels through FNH for the SCAR what good does the "quick change" barrel option do for me really? Again if you take the modularity component away from the SCAR by taking away the availability of barrels or conversion kits the field starts to narrow between it and other piston rifles. Point being, that's not the intent. The intent is to have two different platforms, which in worst case scenario of parts breakage, you can interchange the SMALL parts, NOT major components. The quick change barrel does nothing for me though, I don't plan on shooting 50,000 rounds down range anyway. With the SCAR, you are getting reliability and ergonomics, two major components to a good modern battle rifle. Your idea of allowing the MK16 and MK17 to be interchangeable so that people like you don't have to buy an ENTIRELY new rifle is not the intention. The SMALL parts commonality between the MK16 and MK17 is a last resort and manufacturing advantage, not "your" intention. There will be no "conversion" kit to go from the MK16 to the MK17. Could the MK16 possibly have conversion kits for 6.8, 6.5, and 7.62x39 like the XCR? Absolutely. But there is no intention of having "conversion kit" to go from XCR-L to XCR-M, just as there is no intention of going from the MK16 to MK17. I'm just saying that your thoughts on what should be, and what is reality, are completely different. They are two different platforms that use the same small parts. It's the same idea of the AR15 and AR10 parts commonality, only it "should" be slightly more widespread throughout the gun. Sorry to hi-jack the thread but..... Hey itstock, are you going to IM that info or did you change your mind? |
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From the information that has been floating around the web, the MK16 and MK17 use different upper receivers (which from my understanding is also the serialized part). So I do not believe that you would be able to go from 5.56 to 7.62 on a MK16 receiver. I did see in a pdf somewhere that FN was working on a common receiver that very close in size to a MK16 receiver that would allow both calibers. I have no idea if you could go down to 5.56 in a MK17 receiver.
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$1700 XCR filp sights, folding stock. It does seem very appealing about now, a lot of people knock Robarms for various reasons but at least they have a product on the market. I cant afford the price they want for SCAR or ACR anymore, especially with the Obama scare going on people are going to have to give their testicles just to own either rifle. Would be nice if some companies would take a cut in profit to get these out at reasonable costs. |
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I'm amazed at how much the buzz has died off for the SCAR since they announced that MSRP. I don't think its the price. I know many friends and acquaintances that would pay just about anything to get one. I think it's just that everyone has become fairly numb to the "about to be released" rumors. Even though this latest info appears to be the most promising (from a legit source), people won't jump up and down until it actually hits the dealers. |
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First of all..having both played with and shot the SCAR, I can tell all of you that paying $2500.-$3000. for this weapon is patently retarded and a tremendous waste of money. Sure...the weapon handled fine, was typically AR15 accurate, and was ergonomically as pleasing as some of the better AR15s that I've owned/molested/played with in the past. However...unless FNH wants to be included with the "HK people" for retarded price-whoring––-this gun is not worth $2000. For this gun...maybe $1500. would be a good price. Many people's collective willingness to own this gun priced at $2000-3000. is based literally on nothing more than their anxiousness to put their hands upon a rifle that is literally years late hitting the shelves. Like another poster before me said....these are nothing more than piston-driven AR15s...something that has been literally done to death in the gun world. Period.
You simply cannot justify to anyone with a grain of common sense a price tag of over $2000. for these rifles. Sure...you might have some guys with $$$$ that would pay 2-3K for one of these guns...but they are the minority, not the majority. Having paid 2K for an FS2000 and $1.3K for a PS90...I'm certainly a fan of FNH's guns and their willingness to manufacture carbines here...however, there is no way within the depths of HELL that I'm paying $2K++ for an AR15. I don't care how pretty you make it look.
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Where can I buy a complete, and reliable gas piston AR15 for $1500 with irons?
Here is my answer to that, copied from another forum.... http://www.pof-usa.com/p415/P-415-16-P9SX-CF-223-CARBINE.htm Add in the rear sight and you are at nearly $2100 msrp. http://www.coldwarshooters.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=673 Add in rear sight and you are at nearly $2400, below msrp. http://www.zmweapons.com/lr_rifles.htm Right around $2200 msrp. http://www.lewismachine.net/product.php?p=188&cid=12&session=a32bd306e332c8bde50b1ad3bb3d8715 $2000 msrp. And for fun... Noveske N4 w/adjustable stock, withOUT irons http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=116684130 $3000 starting bid Another Noveske without adjustable stock, but with stights http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=116438823 $2550 starting bid Then consider other platforms like the Sig 556 Classic (this example because it has the folding, adjustable stock) with an MSRP of $2000 and the Robinson Armament XCR with an MSRP with similar options at right around $2000. Is it priced slightly higher? Of course, but it does have the research and development to back up the slightly higher price than franken platforms. So I can either spend $2200 for a reliable, gas piston AR, or I can go with the more up to date rifle, with many more out of the box features, for a couple hundred more MSRP. I'll take the newer rifle that was designed from scratch for $200, Aex. You might not be able to justify it, but it's pretty easy to do once you start building up a good gas piston AR. Factor in the FN name, the novelty, and collector reasons associated, and I didn't even have to think about plunking down the money. Quoted:
First of all..having both played with and shot the SCAR, I can tell all of you that paying $2500.-$3000. for this weapon is patently retarded and a tremendous waste of money. Sure...the weapon handled fine, was typically AR15 accurate, and was ergonomically as pleasing as some of the better AR15s that I've owned/molested/played with in the past. However...unless FNH wants to be included with the "HK people" for retarded price-whoring––-this gun is not worth $2000. For this gun...maybe $1500. would be a good price. Many people's collective willingness to own this gun priced at $2000-3000. is based literally on nothing more than their anxiousness to put their hands upon a rifle that is literally years late hitting the shelves. Like another poster before me said....these are nothing more than piston-driven AR15s...something that has been literally done to death in the gun world. Period. You simply cannot justify to anyone with a grain of common sense a price tag of over $2000. for these rifles. Sure...you might have some guys with $$$$ that would pay 2-3K for one of these guns...but they are the minority, not the majority. Having paid 2K for an FS2000 and $1.3K for a PS90...I'm certainly a fan of FNH's guns and their willingness to manufacture carbines here...however, there is no way within the depths of HELL that I'm paying $2K++ for an AR15. I don't care how pretty you make it look.
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itstock: A slight error in your figures. The Rob Arms XCR "with" BUIS and the standard folding stock goes for $1,400 here in Utah and $1,300 in Georgia where I got mine. I still see them avaailable in my local shop at prices "much" lower than MSRP. MadDog I own an XCR. I'm going by MSRP for the XCR, of roughly $1800 (EDIT: it's $1744.98 if you're getting technical), and that doesn't include a fully adjustable stock like the SCAR has (cheek), but it is folding/collapsing. I didn't pay msrp for my XCR (I think I paid $1400 out the door for mine, but that was 3 years ago, and I think the price went up since then), nor did I pay msrp for the SCAR (although I didn't get a killer deal like others are getting, it was still under MSRP out the door). Sorry, but there is no error. I'm comparing MSRP's, as stated in my price comparison. |
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nor did I pay msrp for the SCAR (although I didn't get a killer deal like others are getting, it was still under MSRP out the door). Sorry, but there is no error. I'm comparing MSRP's, as stated in my price comparison.
So you are in possesion of a SCAR? I had no idea they were out yet. |
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i own about a dozen class 3 wepons so i am not easily impressed. Firstly, there is no such thing as a class 3 firearm. Guns are either title-1 (not regulated by the National Firearms Act) or title-2 (regulated by the NFA). Holders of a type 01 Federal Firearms License who pay the Special Occupational Tax (SOT) are designated as Class 3 dealers. Type 07 FFLs who pay the SOT are designated as Class 2 manufacturers. Again, Class 3 refers to a type of firearm DEALER, not the firearm itself. What does owning multiple title-2 firearms have to do with being impressed by the SCAR? Funny though, how even SOT's typically refer to them as such. I noticed you are from NC, so you might not be aware of this. 
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